Right now they seem to be focusing all their anger on Mrs. Alito's outfits.

That is absolutely perfect.

They see war through the prism of their feelings about Bush.

Lieberman sees Bush though the prism of his feelings on the war.

Just depends where your priorities are.

Ace is teh real terrorist!

Er, I wonder how many of these Moveon types know what its like to be a poor person of color in America. That's the real war! Being forced into the Army, dying in hurricaines. If seeing the poor Senator getting caught in a torrent of lies is so harsh, maybe they should try to experience something more stressful than Trader Joe's closing early.

Beinart wrote in the post-election drama that Bush hatred isn't going to be enough, in fact, it's a big reason they're losing.

I don't think they're listening.

Beinart understands that the fringe is pushing the party further Left and further fascist. He's trying to keep the party's most extreme base from splintering. The Conservative movement would greatly benefit if, for example, the Green Party received more support.

I've always believed that if Lieberman had won the Democratic primary race, he'd have won the Presidency in a walk in 2004. It was an indication of how far the Democrats had gone off the deep end when they selected Kerry rather than Lieberman as their candidate.

I've always believed that if Lieberman had won the Democratic primary race, he'd have won the Presidency in a walk in 2004.

Maybe if he were the Presidential candidate instead of the VP candidate he would not have backtracked on all of his previously held moderate positions. As it was, he became just as liberal as Al Gore once he was on the ticket.

"Kos and MoveOn have conveniently convinced themselves that the war on terrorism is a mere subset of the struggle against the GOP"

I'd take it one step further - they hate President Bush far more than the terrorists, while they don't fear President Bush at all, while they are terrfied of the terrorists. Thus in attacking Bush, they satisfy their hatred, and at the same time think they are appeasing the terrorists and thus making themselves safer.

I have said in the past that I think the left has morphed into something like the John Birch Society. I would add that they also contain elements of the Neville Chamberlain appeasement mentality.

Today's left - a poisonious mixture of 3 of the most discredited elements of the 20th century - Marxism, appeasement and John Birch hatred and paranoia.

Dude, you should've cut and pasted kos's unhinged response.

I seldom agree with the Jonathan Chaits and Peter Beinarts of the Left, but they're at least capable of rational discussion.

But people like kos, Atrios and Margaret Cho, and all of the amen corners on their blogs just seem like deeply unhappy people to me. And unhappy people are not often rational. I know that seems kinda off the subject--but it just struck me as I was reading the article.

Was I all bad?
The time at the beach in '72 was fun, wasn't it?
I bought you cotton candy; and we shared that ice cream sundae while watching the sunset.

Great quote. For everything the MoveOn/Kos/DU types *say* (and probably, at least mostly, believe or *think* they believe), by their *actions*, they seem to use the axiom "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" with regard to the jihadists. They're out to destroy Bushitler too, so no need to go *too* hard on them, you know....

Let me up the ante.

Leftists believe the whole war on terror is a sham designed to distract Americans from the "true problems" the Bush Administration is either ignoring or fostering. Those "problems" can be summarized as the continued exploitation of the Joads by the Gordon Gekkos, Bush being the tool of the latter.
They can't wipe away the Twin Towers footage, but can explain it as something "we" deserved after Gekkoing the overseas Joads for so many years.
You'll find this explanation put forth throughout history. E.g., once WWII was over and we had no major foreign enemies, the Gekkos had to invent the Soviet menace to distract Americans from the Utopia being built over there through the nationalization of everything. Having walked away from 1989's disillusion with nary a scratch, they are now re-animating the whole scenario with Al Qaeda.
Modern leftism is a peculiar combination of the willingness of certain people to believe civilization has evolved past the need to fight over anything, and the laziness of others who cannot succeed in a dynamic economy and want to take down anyone who is successful (the Gekkos). They won't mourn for Manhattan office workers, which is why they have never worked up a fighting rage over Islamism. They regard soldiers as mere pawns of the Gekko class, so they mock, deride, and take pains to amplify any human flaw in them they can spot.
Lieberman messes up their whole construct. How can a Democrat want to go to war? And win? Must ... get ... rid ... of ... the heretic.

Oop, forgot to sign that last one.

Joe, Who has been forced into the army?

I agree with Monty about Lieberman winning the election easily. I was dissapointed when he didn't get the nomination, he was my canidate.

Whatever brings Democrats closer to power, ipso facto, makes the United States safer.

Actually, I don't think they want to make the US safer at all. They just want to make their own sorry asses safer and would prefer that the US be on the ash heap of history instead of the USSR. If it takes Islamists to do it, so what?

Rittenhouse: "Joads and Gekkos". Love it.

The Left is just a temper tantrum caused by having egos too large for their talents.. Thanks, unearned self-esteem movement.

They feel they should be in charge, but they lack the ability to earn it, so they have to insist instead of argue. Hilarity ensues.

Not to nitpick, but shouldn't this post be called More Blue Vs. Blue? Aren't the lefties blue staters?

Hilarity ensues.

Hillary ensues.

Well, obviously anyone entering the armed forces is doing so solely because of the poor economic conditions and other factors that ossify one into the lower classes here in America. Its simply the only way for most, if not all, of Americans to put food in their mouth. Thus, they are forced into the Army by Booosh. Why else would anyone enter the armed forces after Bush bombed the WTC? Its obviously safer to wait to die in the next terrorist event (its like drunk-driving, ya know...something to be tolerated) instead of going out to kill non-whites in a fit of opressed, hillbilly catholic rage.

You can't stop a movement.

I know I knw, there needs to be a sarcasm button for some of these things, or else people will think I am a troll.

As for why the far left hates America, its simple. They are socialists. We are the strongest free market society in the world. Their world view is either knowingly or unknowingly shaped by the violent theories of capitalist immizeration. Since life sux in the USA, the middle class and lower classes will rise up. Instead, we get NASCAR dads. Most leftists have adopted the Baran thesis that, ok the revolution won't occur in America, but will be forced upon us by third world immizeration (TWI). To some, like Chomsky, this TWI is what AQ really is.

Yeah, I know. Blah blah blah.

Not to nitpick, but shouldn't this post be called More Blue Vs. Blue? Aren't the lefties blue staters?

Ace is using military, rather than political, terminology.
In the military, red = the enemy and blue = friendlies, thus "friendly fire" is referred to as "blue on blue".

Where's plv? Surely he's had plenty of time by now to come up with something hate-filled, irrational and useless to post on this topic.

I'm sure a fatwa will be issued on Beinart shortly.

PLV has homework to do, as well as make his bed and clean his room... and doesn't SpongeBob or Elmo count anymore as far as things to do with his time? Especially since the school board and I made Mommy and Mommy take away those horrible G.I. Joe dolls...

As for why the far left hates America, its simple. They are socialists. We are the strongest free market society in the world.
joeindc44

joeindc44, that's pretty much sums up my theory of why the left hates America and christians. Who took down their utopia and exposed it for the evil that it was? That's right, Reagan and Pope JPII.

You know it seems to me that Liberals can generally be placed into 2 categories. The first are ultra theorists & generally their beliefs are based upon some dogmatic or economically defined series of beliefs: Socialism, Communism, Environmentalism, etc. These people live or react to the world in pure theoretical terms & it allows them to ignore or disregard reality when it contradicts their beliefs. A simple, but fairly accurate statement like socialized economies have almost never been able to maintain anything below 10% unemployment or had almost always have had to resort to violence to maintain their control of the populace will have no effect on them. The 2nd category, the polar opposite, consists of those that hold beliefs w/ no theory or abstract thoughts behind them. Their view & experience of the world almost like 5 year olds, by placing themselves or their beliefs as some sort of axiomatic center. Everything boils down to what they perceive & how it affects them of their firmly held beliefs. Notice their reactions to any kind of questioning are almost always immediately defensive or the arguments they present are almost always some blanketed statement that requires no proof & are relayed like it is matter of fact. Bush lied or the war was for oil come to mind. Point out anything the derives from their established point of view, factual or not & you’ll receive their emotional wraith. Lieberman has shunned both the non-thinking emotional portion & questioned the foundation of the theoretical’s base regarding Iraq. That makes him the enemy, because neither group can ever allow themselves to actually question themselves. I know that these are pretty gross & general characterizations of the political left, but I have found them to be remarkably accurate & quite useful in engaging them. There are of course those that are combinations of both or those who hold neither side to heart. & the scariest part is that the first group eventually becomes so intertwined within their theoretical views, that they begin to act & respond exactly like the 2nd. Case in point, Lieberman or Zell Miller’s treatment from their own parties or every prominent Democrats’ arguments regarding Samuel Alito SCOTUS confirmation.

SORE LOSERMAN its time for them to say so long

That was the mostest brilliantt post I ever herd PMain.

FRCDD, I really want to lick your butthole.

Wow Fat Retarded Conservative Draft Dodger, you truly are a nmber 2.

Lieberman would not have won in 2004...the evil Rove machine would have made sure that Bushhitler won no matter what. Get ready for the Constitutional Amendment hat allows Bush to be Dictator for Life, coming in 2007. You heard it here first!!

PMain makes some good points. But the interesting thing is that the leftist "theorists" are pretty much extinct, at least in terms of getting new converts.

With Marxism and socialism so thoroughly discredited, the true believers increasingly have to disguise their views, and even the "Type 2 Leftists" tend to be turned off by the dogma.

It makes the Left even more unhinged, I think. If everything's tied to a Marxian worldview, at least your politics will have some *internal* consistency. Marxism's bogosity notwithstanding, at least the whole thing more or less makes sense on its own terms. But the hate-based modern leftism has no ideas beyond "our enemies are evil," so it quite often can contradict itself, even in the space of a single sentence....

Pmain whaat's ere nomber 2 agin, Is that yhe haten one/

Callimachus at Winds of Change has a mongo essay up on the left's view of the war.

That was just another pile of rightwing garbage.