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January 11, 2006

Abu "Captain Hook" Hamza: Allah Sent Hitler Into The World To Purge It Of "Jew Filth"

Allah also seems to have purged the world of Hamza's hands, but no word yet on his thinking on that one:

Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri wanted a caliph sitting in the White House and said Hitler was sent into the world because Jews were blasphemous and dirty, a London court heard on Wednesday.
Hamza, 47, is the most high-profile figure to go on trial in Britain on charges of incitement to murder and stirring up racial hatred since the September 11, 2001 attacks on Washington and New York.

Interest in the case has increased since suicide bombings on London's transport system last July killed 52 people.

Prosecutor David Perry said the Egyptian-born cleric used public meetings at the Finsbury Park mosque in north London and private meetings to incite his followers to kill non-Muslims.

"The prosecution case is, in one sentence, that Sheik Abu Hamza was preaching murder and hatred in these talks," Perry told the Old Bailey court.

But was he preaching positive hatred and compassionate murder?

Where's the nuance?

Thanks to A-Man.

posted by Ace at 11:31 AM

Comments

Hitler was sent to purge the world of the jews, but I thought the islamofacists denied the holocust? Where's the consistency?

Posted by: Vanilla Thunder on January 11, 2006 11:47 AM

If he is convicted, what is the punishment? I have no faith in the europeen judicial system. Their sentences all tend to be a slap on the wrist. (He does have wrists, doesn't he?)

Posted by: shawn on January 11, 2006 11:52 AM

Wait, we're talking the *real* Allah here, and not the Allah that writes all your postings, right?

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on January 11, 2006 11:55 AM

Actually, I'm always wondering what it is about Jews that makes them so dirty.

Posted by: Hal on January 11, 2006 11:57 AM

Hal, I was just thinking that myself. It's a standard adjective for this type of spleen-venting, but I've never met one I'd accuse of poor hygeine.

Posted by: Zorachus on January 11, 2006 12:06 PM

I'm not sure logic is the best tool to employ when parsing Islamist remarks.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel on January 11, 2006 12:22 PM

Can Allah create a cleric that is too dumbfuck for him to believe?

Posted by: tachyonshuggy on January 11, 2006 12:26 PM

But speaking of Islamists, the other day, Spurwing* said that the Borg are liberals - "just listen to what they say." Well, I thought about it, and the standard Borg greeting is, "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Your culture will adapt to service us."

That sounds a lot like the goals of a group I could name.

*Spurwing generally does have a point buried within his labyrinthine prose, even though it's rarely germane to the discussion at hand.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel on January 11, 2006 12:30 PM

Ride the BX12 bus with Orthodox Jews in the summer. That's where "filthy jew" comes from.

The consistancy comes from the fact that Hitler failed to wipe out the Jews. Since Hitler failed, there was no holocaust. I guess to these guys having a holocaust is like being pregnant.

Posted by: Iblis on January 11, 2006 12:34 PM

So Allah both sent Hitler into the world and sent you the tip about the article. Is there anything he can't do? (Well, I guess he has been pretty lacking in actually getting rid of the "Jew filth," but he does send good links, so I guess it's a wash.)

Posted by: Aaron on January 11, 2006 12:36 PM

Nice one, Mrs. Peel.

I don't get the Jews' filthiness either. They wash their hands (barukh atah [y"y] elo[q]einu melekh haolam asher qiddeshanu b'mitzvotav v'tzivanu al netilat yadayim) so many times, and dunk in a miqvah ever so often (barukh and so forth al hatevilah).

Maybe compared to Muslims - with their washing their hands, arms, feet, head, neck, ears, and nose before each of the day's five prayers (except the Shiites, who would perform this ritual three times a day; or the Nizari Ismailis who don't perform it at all) - Jews are dirty. But then so would be the rest of humanity. Did Allah send Hitler to get rid of the rest of the people?

Besides, it's the Jews who don't eat pork. Maybe the honorable (*smirk*) mullah meant to say Christians, who eat pork and don't wash their hands, filthy infidel pig-dogs ululululululu - sorry, where was I?

In any case, Allah, you should stop sending us dictators. Your new hobby of providing links is much better.

Posted by: Muslihoon on January 11, 2006 12:36 PM

ululululululu

Someday when all this mess blows over and the middle east is full of friendly democracies and there is a lot of good cultural exchange between us and them, I genuinely hope that western women pick up ululation from the arab ladies. It's too cool. No joke.

Posted by: sandy burger on January 11, 2006 01:27 PM

"...I genuinely hope that western women pick up ululation from the arab ladies."

I hope the arab ladies pick up a Homer Simpson-style "Woo hoo!"

Posted by: Sobek on January 11, 2006 01:36 PM

To elaborate on Iblis above, some Orthodox Jews wear heavy wool garments and overcoats, winter or summer. Sweat-soaked wool has a rather overpowering smell.

That's why me and my peeps wear cotton instead :-)

Posted by: Mastiff on January 11, 2006 01:39 PM

I genuinely hope that western women pick up ululation from the arab ladies.

Oh, good lord--as if the "wooo-hooo!" isn't annoying enough??

Posted by: Lipstick on January 11, 2006 03:13 PM

I heard where HITLER was consitered the antichrist by many including NOSTRADAMUS

Posted by: spurwing plover on January 11, 2006 03:15 PM

The stinky wool is a Polish/German thing though right? Like pretty much everything Orthodox Jews do?

If Allah is the same God as the One in the Hebrew scriptures, why can't it get anything done? When the God of Abraham smites thee, you get smitten good.

Maybe Jews are filthy because their scriptures don't contain sufficiently detailed instructions about ass wiping and pube trimming. Christians do wash our hands, BTW, we just get broad discression about when to do it.

Posted by: Dave Munger on January 11, 2006 06:51 PM

A-A-Allah....naughty naughty boy.
See what happens when you give up blogging?
Idle hands are the Devil's workshop.
What's next, o' father of lies?? Writing for the NYTimes???

Posted by: on January 12, 2006 02:10 AM

hi, I caught the prosecution opening their case and blog about it here.

I've got a few films about the supporters of Shareeah linked from the side of my blog.

would value any input from you guys.

Posted by: dave bones on January 12, 2006 01:05 PM

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I never noticed this before. I know Tolkien re-wrote this chapter while he was writing LOTR to make the ring important from the start. And also to make Gollum more sinister and evil, and also to remove the part where Gollum actually offers Bilbo the ring as a "present" -- Bilbo had already found it on his own, but Gollum was wiling to give it away, which obviously is not something the rewritten Gollum would ever do.
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