I suppose swingers/swappers/etc. should be allowed to converge on a hotel... but only if it closes its doors to the general unwarned public.

Why? Where do you draw the line at "Well, X should be allowed in the hotel, if only the general public is warned about it..."

These Swingers should be held to the same standard as any other guest in the common areas. If they're flashing their breasts or other nasty bits, toss 'em off the property!

And, hey, let's face it. Have you seen what happens at the college "formal dances" that take place at hotels? Not much better.

+1 on what Xoxotl said. Heck, you should see what goes on at your typical sci-fi convention. But even at conventions like Fantasm, the gratuitous stuff happens in the con-only parts of the hotel and not out where it can shock or offend the Mundanes. Or if they do let their exibitionist side overrule their common sense, they get their badges pulled...

I live in Orlando and I'm not surprised. It's a very pornified city. There are strip clubs everywhere and two red light districts, high-end and low-end.

If the juvenile soccer players had been female, I was going to ask if John Derbyshire attended the swinger's convention.

Who do those swingers think they are, the Minnesota Vikings?!

GO-GO-GO-GO-GOAL!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent shot at soccer, which is a sports that is, of course, of the Devil and God hates it.

PS. If you want to cure your son of homosexual tendencies, replay last night's Orange Bowl. It was a testosterrific defensive Manfest.

Fight On State

Sue,

Ask away - some of the soccer players were female...

Heh...multiple thoughts...

1. I suspect that more than one of those teenage boys where thinking of ways to sneak out of their room and join the party...would have certainly crossed my mind at that age.

2. the soccer tournament was hosted by Disney, and I would assume the matches occurred at a Disney-owned field/complex. Why didn't they also stay at a Disney-owned property as well? (side note: if you want to go to Orlando and avoid the heat and the crowds, January is an *excellent* time to go)

3. it's eff'g Florida. The home of butt-floss wearing roadside hot-dog vendors, Hooters restaurants, barely-got-it covered itty-bitty polka-dot bikinis, and the occasional college girl wearing outfits that no self-respecting hooker would even think of wearing on the job.

Well, I, for one, am shocked!

Shocked that language like that can appear in a civilized forum like this! It's a sign of the impending collapse of American civilization when potty-mouthed miscreants herd little soccer-addicted youth hither and yon, through hostels brimming with liquored-up, semi-nude revelers...and...

Must go. My medications have just arrived.

I'm always taken aback when I read stories about how football is the most popular sport in the world, only to find out that they mean Euroweenie Keep Away (i.e., soccer) rather than real football (as Vince Lombardi decreed it shall be played).

There, that's better...

"Pooters and gazongas"? Would you trust your little Beckham to a coach that uses that sort of suggestive language?

What is the world coming... to... have you ever looked at your hand? I mean REALLY looked at it? It's so cool the way it bends and the fingers...whoa! They're so, so independent... cooool!

Pooters...heh, heh, heh. He said "pooters".

Will they trash their rooms?

"Why? Where do you draw the line at "Well, X should be allowed in the hotel, if only the general public is warned about it...""

I agree. While I'm torn between deciding whether swingers are the dumbest consenting adults on the planet, or just the ugliest, and I wouldn't want to see their bare breasts or bottoms either - people with kids shouldn't expect to hear the full lineup of every other guest/group in a hotel when they call to register.

You see people exposing themselves in the lobby? You should be allowed to call security, no matter if you have kids. The hotel's job is to keep behavior in public places to a G-rated standard, not make sure that every parent knows if an X-rated group has checked in.