Maybe the Pentagon is afraid of Vikings.

Or sheepherders.

I'd click over to the Americablog link to read the whole thing, but every time I read his blog I get a nasty virus.

Note that these claims are coming from either NBCNews or an advocacy group. But I repeating myself. In any case, it's likely to be complete bullshit.

Um... haven't groups protesting "Don't Ask Don't Tell" vandalized recriuting offices before? Threatened recriuters? Staged "protests" just one step short of riots?

Aren't they usually found marching alongside groups with actual terrorist connections in 'antiwar' protests?

O/T
For those of you in NYC, the TWU has a blog with open comments.
Some of the backlash stuff is funny.

Is this the very same Americablog that claimed in late September that it had 'hard knowledge' of 22 seperate indictments of administration officials in the 'Plamegate' scandal?

Zero credibility.

Overreaching?

Bullshit.
Some of these protest groups are covers for the real group.

For instance, A.N.S.W.E.R. is a cover for an international leftist group with designs for an American revolution. I would consider them a threat to national security.

Why is it so hard to believe a subversive group with a willingness to commit terrorism would attach themselves to a gay group? Wake up, Ace. This shit is for real.

Or, as I once put it,

WAAAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!

Come on!
Uggh!

Well, yeah, its not too much of a stretch to figure out that these little splinter complaint groups are probably another Stalinist front like ANSWER.

You wonder why the FBI looks into an "animal rights" group, its probably because they embrace radical socialism and animal rights.

As Bart suggests, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" folks aren't neccessarily single-issue groups. Remember the Tookie Williams protest where they hassled the pro-death penalty folks? They were chanting "racist, sexist, anti-gay, right wing bigots go away".

Racism, sexism and homophobia aren't charges they make to equalize rights--they are clubs to be used against ideological enemies. Weapons, not reasons.

If the Pentagon was paying attention to only these groups, that would be different.

Do you mean to tell me that international ANSWER and other peace-through-surrender groups might actually be antiamerican? Do you think that they might actually align themselves with the typical stalinist, politically active, nelly queens and bulldykes that insist they speak for the entire gay community?

I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

They're trying to protect their campus recruiters from being bashed over the head with an Hermes handbag or popped in the nuts with a sweaty horse blanket, I guess.

I dunno, this whole Gay Cowboy thing has got me rethinking my bigoted jibes. I wish I could quit them.

Who wants to volunteer to call Ace and Karol today to find out why all the gay blogging?

I just realized this post was another excuse for Ace to post "gay" again, and I got sucked in again.

Maybe the military is surveilling specific *people* at the 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' events rather than all attendees.

Maybe those same people attended all the events.

This seems a bit like reading an MSM story headlined 'FBI Stakes Out Weddings, Funerals, Christenings' with no mention of that those particular events were held by members of an alleged secret criminal organization that has no specific ethnic component.

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O/T again: The TWU took down their comments section.

Is there a radio show today? And why do I have to ask?

Perhaps now we'll be "treated" to pictures of Andrew Sullivan in flagrante delicto.

In any event if this "news" doesn't cause Andrew to explode nothing will.

From what I've read this seems to be a mixed bag of legit and non-legit stuff; on the one hand you've got groups like ELF/ALF/OLF/etc causing millions of dollars of damage, setting back bioresearch, etc, and then on the other hand you've got stuff like this where it's probably a non-issue being overzealously enforced by agents who are looking to either justify their paycheck or duck more serious assignments that would involve real effort, hazard etc.

Bottom line though for me is that you either demonstrate that the patriot act was unnescessary to begin with, or else accompany your filibustering and criticisms of the current day patriot act with some sort of alternative - if you want me to take you seriously. And the fact that neither appears to have happened in this case speaks volumes.

I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

Exactly.

Come on, Ace. Your naivety is showing.

Iblis, I read those comments when you linked them earlier. Good stuff, thanks.

Could somebody please tell me the difference between "spying on" and "investigating"? Because I suspect they're exactly the same. So this story boils down to "The military is quietly investigating charges that certain gay advocacy groups' opposition to military positions may become violent."

The story has been spun into the "spying" angle to fit the left's meme du jour.

Democrat presidents investigate.

Republican presidents spy.

There have been incidents of violence and vandalism against military recruiters on college campuses. DADT is one reason leftists oppose military recruiting on campus. Also, many gay groups are aligned with the radical, anti-American left. It certainly behooves the FBI to at least keep an eye on them.

Dont ask dont tell bill clinton is a idiot

"people of a left-wing stripe are given to vandalism, harassment, and even personal violence from time to time." Oh my god!! Thank goodness right-wingers are pacifists ... except maybe for those that blow up federal buildings, kill doctors, get us involved in pointless wars (read the headlines, today? Iran won the Iraqi election).

So DaveP, Bart, etc. think the gov should investigate any group that MIGHT engage in violence. Guess that includes the whole NHL. The gov is sure going to be busy, even those old ladies in bingo parlors get sort of uppity at times.

Why are you all so terrified of terrorists. So they killed 3,000 Americans in the last 5 years. That is horrible, of course, but drunken drivers kill something like 20,000 every year. Doctor screw-ups kill about 100,000. I suppose we've got to keep the doctors around but we should send the drunks to Guantanamo.

Who is this guy, blaming 3 nuts on conservatives. I suppose you could call those guys conservative, but at least our side hasn't adopted Osama and other Islamic (minutemen, I tell you) headchoppers as part of our political identity (Islamic fundamentalism is really third-world immizeration).

Michelle Malkin filled a book with supposedly normal people who tried to run down a Congresswoman, attacked a mother driving her car (but she had a Bush sticker on it!) and hundreds of other acts of vandalism that occurred in one election season.

Pointless wars? Iran won the election in Iraq? Great reduction of policy decisions into a quick and cheap, yet infantile, jab. So, fuck you, wasn't Vietnam JFK's war. Didn't DNC polticians vote for regime change, resolution to use force, and recently rejected a call for immediate withdrawal.

Finally, since the left has adopted the head choppers as their modern minutemen, and the Islamists are the ones that started the post 9-11 reality, it seems like the pointless war lies on your lap.

Why are you all so terrified of terrorists

The left are the ones always worried about "creating new terrorists". We're not terrified of them. We hate what they do, and we intend to defeat them. That's not terror, it's resolve.

I'd like to thank wanton for coming right out and admitting that he thinks terrorism is something we just need to endure and treat as a law enforcement matter. You know, like prostitution and drunk driving.

Man, that did wonders for Kerry in '04, and I can't wait for wanton's party to use it again.

So they killed 3,000 Americans in the last 5 years. That is horrible, of course, but

it's the "but" that always tells you what you're dealing with. The dismissive, dishonest "that's horrible of course", followed by the honesty.

and they wonder why they lose elections.

"something we just need to endure and treat as a law enforcement matter" - didn't say that - we did what we should have and went after Al Queda in Afganistan and wherever else they were. But then we got diverted into Iraq for who knows what reason.

The point I was making was that if we want to save American lives there are better ways to spend our money on than helping Shia militias take over Iraq.

I agree - the Dems have have had a hand on getting the US into stupid wars (WW1, Viet Nam). They also showed no backbone and let themselves be buffaloed into signing onto the Iraq mess. I still have no idea what we're doing there and why being there is somehow the "American conservative" thing to do.

I thought conservatives stood for small government, rather than the largest increase ever, balanced budget as opposed to the largest deficits in history, maintaining personal liberties rather than spying on Americans (even vegans!?), free enterprise rather than supporting mega-monopolies, and no foreign adventurism (except for taking care of business like Al Queda). Maybe I'm a paleo-conservative. Maybe Bush is crypto-democrat. Maybe I need a drink.

Maybe I need a drink.

You and me both, man.

I think you're on crack politically, but we're on the same wavelength, drinkwise. So, cheers to you, Comrade Wanton!

"...maintaining personal liberties rather than spying on Americans (even vegans!?)"

ESPECIALLY vegans.

Just for the fun of it.

"The point I was making was that if we want to save American lives there are better ways to spend our money on than helping Shia militias take over Iraq."

Ah, this guy is one of Miquel's identities. Yes, the Shias are taking over Iraq. Great. I guess this somehow invalidates creating a democracy in the first place. We are in Iraq for tons of reasons, but if you are going to say, on 12/21/2005, that "I still have no idea what we're doing there and why being there is somehow the "American conservative" thing to do." then it really doesn't matter because if you really consider yourself a conservative, you are one of those isolationist ones.

Also, I guess you point is that it is more important to have lower speed limits or bigger bumpers on our cars because they kill more Americans did than one Al Qaeda attack. So you ignore that the stated, and repeated, intention of these head choppers is the creation of their own Caliphate. And that unless we convert, we shall be killed. Again, to have to argue this in December of 2005 indicates that you are either a troll or never bothered to look around you.

Oh, what year was it that that record deficiet occurred? Numerically, maybe, but what about as a percentage of GDP? Its not a record at all. It seems to me that one phase of Bush's economic recovery plan was to spend some dough and cut some taxes to prime the economic pump. And it worked. You may recall, that this year the increased federal revenues led to a reduction in the debt, the one that was predicted to be so high.

But of course, you just came to troll with some brain dead mutterings.

OOPS...
In April 2004, Bush addressed the question of wiretaps. "Now, by the way," he said, "any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think 'Patriot Act,' constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

Whoa. An old Bush quote.

Our arguments are completely devastated now!

How do you trolls do it?

jeff tomerson, try it again in context:

But a roving wiretap means -- it was primarily used for drug lords. A guy, a pretty intelligence drug lord would have a phone, and in old days they could just get a tap on that phone. So guess what he'd do? He'd get him another phone, particularly with the advent of the cell phones. And so he'd start changing cell phones, which made it hard for our DEA types to listen, to run down these guys polluting our streets. And that changed, the law changed on -- roving wiretaps were available for chasing down drug lords. They weren't available for chasing down terrorists, see? And that didn't make any sense in the post-9/11 era. If we couldn't use a tool that we're using against mobsters on terrorists, something needed to happen.

The Patriot Act changed that. So with court order, law enforcement officials can now use what's called roving wiretaps, which will prevent a terrorist from switching cell phones in order to get a message out to one of his buddies.

Love that unbiased source you got your info from there jeff. Try going to the primary source to verify things instead of swallowing propaganda whole.

I get it. joeindc has no life and roams around from thread to thread being snide and supercilious. It's those like you, joe, that give the rest of you a BAD NAME.

Oh, you are such a meanie.
Its southerners like you that give the rest a bad name.