Men who are into gay sex, who are gay, and men who are not into gay sex, who are also gay.

There's also men who joke with each other about gay sex. Who, per your anonymous troll commenter, are also gay.

Ace, you're actually starting to sound a lot like Excitable Andy. Only his antithesis view-wise. Now can I puh-leeeze get back to thinking up juvenile titles for gay porn, like Shitty Shitty Bang Bang.

Sullivan wasn't bad when he wrote about more than homosexuality and torture.

...Kind of a two-trick pony now though, huh.

Wow, Ace went an entire 23 minutes without posting on teh gay.

Actually, I wouldn't want to see Brokeback Mountain even it were a guy/girl love story. From what I've heard about the plot, it sounds boring as hell.

Where does that leave those of us who are into gay monkey sex?

Everyone is gay! This is great!

That means that when overwhelming majorities of Americans consistently vote against extending marriage rights to gays, it's not a sign of gay bigotry.

It is, instead, a collection of gays voting against the desires of a smaller collection of gays.

Sorry, Sully, but in accusing Kaus (and, by extension, everyone) of being gay you've just eliminated "homophobia" as an excuse for your policy failures.

Well, all I can say is thank goodness Andy turned on President Bush - at this point I'd hate to think Andy and I were on the same side on any issue.

What's with all the fag threads?

On the new Ace of Gays HQ:

My favorite part of gay threads is the way everybody falls over themselves to make sure they don't torque a queer the wrong way. But you know everybody's thinking, "how do they keep their cock from smelling like ass?"

Let's make a new permathread: Why Gay Is Okay, But I'm Not Down With Asscock, Myself. Everybody can sign their name, we can print it out, and post it on the locker room door. Then we can all feel confident that we're not judgemental, no no no, not about asscock.

I honestly don't know of any other place where they make movies where a central character (let alone central characters) is gay. Except France (that goes without saying). India has one of the world's largest movie industries. How many gay movies? None. (Every now and then they'll make a lesbian movie, the result of which so many movie theaters are burned down by angry mobs (made up of men) - which puzzles me because evidently men like lesbians: so why are they burning down theaters?)

Only in America do people dare insist that straight men ought to feel comfortable watching gay men doing their thing.

Get the freakout advisory back up.

Actually, true homophobes (if they actually exist) are latent homosexuals. It's some kind of theory Freud came up with to explain guys who go out of their way to find gay guys to rough up with big fat blunt instruments. So anytime someone calls you a homophobe, they really are calling you gay. Pretty sure that's why the leftrolls always throw out all that "Anus McCocksuck" stuff; All dissenters from United Colors Of Benneton orthodoxy are supposedly true homophobes (frightened of our own latent gayety), so that's supposed to REALLY freak us out.

First thing that came to my mind when I read this post was Norm Macdonald on some kind of MTV Spring Break thing (I used to watch that stuff a lot, for the love of Kennedy), where they had a male stripper start getting in his lap, and he jumped up an ran. Carson Daly, or whoever, starts giving him a hard time about overreacting to it, and Norm said something like, "Oh yeah, this guy's a huge homophobe, he dosen't want this oily guy grinding his crotch on him." It was funny when Norm said it.

I suspect that the first joke was a fart, and the second a limp wristed immitation of an effeminate caveman.

I suspect that the first joke was a fart, and the second a limp wristed immitation of an effeminate caveman.

Ahh. The classics.

After seeing Michael Kaus in that web-cam debate, I see why he's had to fend off so many unwanted advances from randy men.

His hirsute cragginess would make many a caveman's wrist grow limp whilst their savage blood fevered its way to other appendages.

I don't get it. If gay men insist (and I tend to agree with them), that their homsexuality is not a conscious choice, but an instinctual, genetic drive that causes them to be attracted to other men, why can't they seem to understand that heterosexual men may have an instinctual, genetic aversion to seeing the nitty-gritty of male homosexuality. They just aren't that into chicks, and we just aren't that into seeing man-man love. What's so hard about that to understand?

And if we love to watch lesbians go at it, can we truly be called homophobic?

NCVOL, as a gay man, I understand entirely what you're saying. The people who throw around homophobia and insist straight men watch gay films and like it (damnit!) are only interested in their own validation.

I wrote a big ole post about Sullivan, Citizen Cain, and what you're saying. Then typepad went down, and not in a good way.

But, it's on my blog somewhere. You can see that there are a lot of gay men out there who don't buy into this "homophobia" bs and are embarrassed by people who attack Kaus and others for being *gasp* straight men (the horror! the horror!).

What the hell is Sully's problem with Kaus? It seems like Sully goes out of his way to make an ass out of himself no matter what position Kaus takes. In fact, in one post about two months before the start of the Iraq war, Sully lambasted Kaus for NOT taking a position.

Granted, I suspect that Kaus takes positions he takes just to push Sully's buttons. In fact, I think this was his main motivation for writing his posts about Brokeback mountain in the first place. But at least Kaus dissing Andy is funny. Andy dissing Kaus is just sad.

As Steve Corell once said, if you're so innocent, why don't you just admit that you're guilty?