I thought step three was "Profit!".

The funny thing is this - if you go back and reread Bush's official speeches regarding Iraq there is absolutely no mystery to anything that happened or is ongoing.

None.

People, particularly Democrats, are treating Bush's speeches as if they were given by Kerry or Clinton, laden with nuance and subject to post-utternace nuance and waffling.

They weren't.

Key-reist - going back to Spring --04, Bush made his Iraq plans clear and said that they wouldn't change just to win reelection.

And, guess what, they didn't.

That's some good crazy. Not to be one who enjoys making retards feel bad, but imagine Dean and Sheehan having a conversation. Sheehan always talks with the soft-spoken, bewildered moronity of someone who learned everything she needed to know while standing in line at the grocery store, while Dean is, well, just buring our precious crazy resources like the Hummer of politics.

I wonder how long before their conversation turns to Bush killing the fairy princess because the Jews made him do it. (whenever a lefty blames some issue on Bush, I usually pipe up with the fairy princess line)

I suspect that the reasons why Dean only gets softball questions is that the reporters also believe in "being nice to retards" too.

Ace,

With respect to your perfectly shitty blog I'm reminded of the words of Marcus Aurelius, who said to always honor the human faculty which produces opinions, proving once and for all that he never met you.

Have a nice day!

Phil,

With respect to your perfectly shitty comments, I'm reminded of the words of your whore sister, who said "Do me where I poop."

I just watched the video you linked to ( the Political Teen must have the Bottomless Font of Bandwidth). Note that Dean is standing at a podium with two small mics (or at least mic stands) on either side, and yet he's gripping a honking great big microphone to his face. Of the kind he clutched for the famous "YEAAARRRGHHH!" speech.

Paging Doctor Freud...

Montpillier?!?

Ahem, Montpelier. :)

Thanks, J.

With respect to your perfectly shitty comments, I'm reminded of the words of your whore sister, who said "Do me where I poop."

ROFL!!

[scribbling that one down for the next flame war]

How many closed door meetings does the DNC have to have in order to figure out what to say about Iraq? Christ, if you listen to what they say about the US, the GOP is blinkering the public with Iraq to hide from the "real" issues, like, uh, the economy. (thanks for letting that slip out, tina fey). Ifthat were the case, why not stop acting like 'tards with respect to the war and go whole hog on the winning issue?

Man, I just hope that Phil ins't a veteran because I don't think we could handle another deabte society member like PLV.

You over estimate the intel of the liberal's. Evidently they all flunked kindergarden or was thrown out for lying about anything and everything...

I hope the comedy keeps up. At least the libby's are good for a laugh a day or sometimes several laughs a day. I rolled in the floor watching Hannity and Colmes when Colmes was snivelling and whining about the idiot Dean being taken out of context. When you only show the exact remarks of the man, how can it be out of context? The entire lot of them are stuck on stupid with no hope of recovery. I hope the dim-wits have someone with a first grade education lined up to replace the kindergarden flunkies.

The guage of how much this hurts will be PLV, Tubby Tubino, or any of the other trolls coming by and giving a (nominal, at least) mea culpa.

How does it feel to be a useful idiot, trolls? How does it feel to argue like hell for a stance, a position, a point of view, only to have Mr. Microphone back out on you?

Or is this just posturing?

You kow, posturing, wherein your own party's political leaders are about to hand you your walking papers for being such a conceited political fluffer and you have to drop and give them ... er .... 20.

Man, when Phil's whore sister talks like that I get so hawt.

The guage of how much this hurts will be PLV, Tubby Tubino, or any of the other trolls coming by and giving a (nominal, at least) mea culpa.

Which is why they never, ever, ever will do that. It won't even register. They will continue to insist that the war is unwinnable and "everyone knows it", oblivious to the uncomfortable fact that if "everyone knew it" then Dean wouldn't had to walk back from his dumb, loud mouth after getting smacked around by his own party.

The Democrats are actually fighting amongst themselves now about the utility of continuing to piss on the war. That should tell us a lot right there.

Dean and the leftists know that's where the short term easy money is, while others in the party know the charade can't go on forever. Why else would you get another Democrat going on the radio to tell Dean to "shut up"? They know that the war is winnable and that they can't keep faking it for much longer. Because one day our troops will be back home and they'll be telling different stories than the news did.

Poster Phil continues the proud liberal tradition of nonsensical posting in an attempt to inflame and deride both host and guests. He only succeeded in making a fool of himself, in the proud tradition of Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Miss Barney Frank, and now Phil.

For this transgression, he will be subjected to the ravages of Dick Cheney's magnificent marauding cock. He will be plummeted by this magnificent obsession until he screams ever so effeminately for mercy, just as liberals always do. The pussification of America continues. Take him big boy!

I love the smell of draft-dodging hypocrites in the morning. All these fat assed Republicans acting like they know anything about war when the only battle they have ever been in, is the battle for the extra pancake.

PLV, I'll tell your mom when I see her tonight that the material she's writing for you has slightly improved.

If she's good enough, I'll pay her a few extra dollars to get you that Little Democrat squirrel book. Hopefully it has lots of pictures, and it may help you in school. What grade are you in now, fourth? Or were you held back?

By the way, just to fill you in completely because I know you're a little slow: Dean doesn't think the war is unwinnable anymore, and you're a stupid fucking moron for believing him. I mean, taking those words out of context.

That burning sensation you're feeling in your cheeks is probably called "shame". Get used to it.

Ok, who cut the cheese? [looks up] Oh. Never mind.

PLV: Then again, that burning sensation in your cheeks might also be your dad.

Sortelli what does winning meaning to you? Unless any of you dummies didn't notice, there were no WMD. So what the fuck are we doing there, beating up on a country that was basically defenseless. That makes us look strong doesn't it? We should leave those people alone and stop murdering their children. Just cause we can doesn't make it right.

Proud Liberal Vet? Isn't that like "Proud Traitor to his Country and Betrayer of the Constitution"?

Or am I getting this wrong?...
"Vet" of WHOSE army? Not America's, as you seem to value your party more highly than this country even to the point of aiding our enemies to support it. Isn't that treason? Did you swear an oath about that?

Oh, buzz off. Mocking you is too easy. I understand that John "All Vets are murderers and war criminals" Kerry is looking for more Winter Soldiers...

DaveP go eat another donut you sputtering moron. I have no time for idiots like you.

PS: I count THREE lies in your above post, all of which started as Islamic propaganda and were later turned around as DNC talking points.

Thanks for betraying your country. Our REAL men and women in uniform appreciate your undercutting them and working towards their failure.

While you're eating a donut, I'll be eating something else.

Sausage.

If you know what I'm saying.

Proud Traitor Vet:
"I have no time for idiots like you."

And yet here you are, wasting bandwidth.

Must be mighty lonely... begging for the abuse of someone like me.

there were no WMD

Another lie you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker. How could a real veteran be so gullible?

Unlike you DaveP I value the lives of our fighting men and women. They are worth something to me. You on the other hand want to sacrifice them for an undefined goal, based on false premises. You my friend are the traitor to our great country and the principles it is based on. I'm tired of traitors like you dragging the reputation of the country into the gutter.

But what I'm even more tired of is the poor quality of man-whores in this country. When I was in the 'Nam, the man-whores knew how to service a guy. Here in the US, it's all about the benjamins.

"there were no WMD"

"Another lie you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker. How could a real veteran be so gullible?"

Really, where are they dickweed? You really swallowed the acid hard didn't you robot. What's wrong are you afraid to use your mind or is thinking for yourself an act of treachery.

I don't want
Anybody else
When I think about Kos
I touch myself

Waiter, this troll isn't very good. In fact, this troll is no more. Can we take it back and get a refund? Please stop feeding it. It makes tubfarts look reasonable and logical, scary, eh?

Yep, like I said. Nothing better to do than be shamed in public by me.
Hell, America-Hating Vet Wannabe can't even get his face ground into his shame by one of the ladies here... he's gotta get embarassed by a fat middle-aged dude with a a bald spot.

The life of a traitor must be a lonely one...

Gee DaveP is just killing me. I'm overwhelmed with his arguments. I've seen one trick ponies play more tunes than this moron.

Did someone say pony?

I've gotta get me some of that action!

I did a pony once.

I'd really love to suck Michael Moore's dick, but it's lost somewhere in the rolls, so I suppose I'll just have to wait...

Nope. Not ace.

Try again, crapweasel.

So I may have missed Michael Moore, but Al Franken?

Yeah, I've hit that.

Twice.

I sucked a buffalo herd dry one time.

So what the fuck are we doing there, beating up on a country that was basically defenseless.

Last time you reared your grade school head you said Dean was telling the truth that the war was unwinnable. Now Dean's trying to "clarify" that and you're claiming Iraq was "defenseless".

Does it hurt to be that inconsistent or do you do stretches or something?

Seriously, I have to know. Do your parents put you up to this? I mean, that you claim to be a "liberal" isn't why no one believes you're a vet. It's that you're obviously still in school.

Oh, and you know absolutely nothing about the military. That's another reason.

I knew every buffalo in Texas, personally.

Sorry I haven't called anyone a fag lately, but I just found out about this thing called "projection."

Please. Only amateurs suck buffalo off.

Real men take it up the ass from buffalo.

I'm a real man.

And if you're wondering why I changed my nonexistent e-mail address, it's not because I'm dyslexic or anything, just stupid.

I just want to say that I think those gay buffalo in Texas are un-American. It bothers me, as the only authentic hero in the America, that those buffalo would put our troops in danger.

Know why I pretend to be other posters? Because I just LOVE to lie! That's why I'm a Democrat. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, all those guys; lying sacks of shit, every last one of 'em. They're my kind of people.

If I were to flash my thong at Clinton, I wonder if he'd give me the Monica treatment.

BY the way PLV please ignore the fact that I am using your user name so you won't know what an idiot I am.

None of those posts before were me. I don't post here any longer because of how boring it is.

Idiot pretending to be me, please carry on.

Notice the latest meme from the useful idiots?
The president should stop the "stay the course" rhetoric and come up with a real plan to win in Iraq.

As usual, no Republican has the balls to take the floor of the House and address these remarks.

Hey idiots, the "course" has made giant leaps of progress so far in Iraq. And the White House just published a 35 page report outlining the specific plan for Iraq. Read it!

Well, I figured what with you using everyone else's user names, that this one was free.

Who's pretending? I'm PLV, the lying sack of shit who pretends to be everyone else! Fear Me!

I don't post here anymore, you faggy fag! That's why I know you're not really me!

I am too me, idiot! What are you, a fag or something?

Howie Dean can make me say "YEEAAAARRRRGH!!!" anytime.

Whoops, I guess I still post here after all. There I go lying again...

BY the way, please disregard my previous statement about the previous statements not being by me. They really were.

Whoever is taking my name should cut it out. I'm not kidding.

I'm so angry I might just have to give them a spanking.

Hey, you don't post here anymore!

Then again, a spanking might be nice.

Hey, you faggidy faggy Republifag.

Stop using my name.

It hurts me, and makes me cry.

No one has asked the question, so here goes. Liberal veteran, when were you assigned to Vietnam, what was your MOS, what was your unit, and when did you DEROS?

Before you ask the question, here are the answers.

1962-63 1st Special Forces Group (Abn), Team A-113, I Corp, Ashau, Republic of Vietnam

1966-67 118th Assault Helicopter Co, 145th Avn Bn, III Corp, Bien Hoa, Republic of Vietnam

1969 Co A, 228th Avn Bn, 1st Cavalry Div, III Corp, Bear Cat, Republic of Vietnam

Go ahead, make my day!

Sorry, I don't post here anymore.

But if I did, I'd probably say something like, "Was too in Nam! Was too, was too! Fag!"

Idiot pretending to be me, please carry on.

Posted by Still a Proud Liberal Vet at December 10, 2005 08:56 PM

I thought you were the idiot pretending to be you!
Oh wait, I get it!
Not a military Veteran, but really, a proud liberal veteran.
"Dude, like, back in '03, we slogged through the streets of San Francisco, and man, it was murder! I mean, I was like, half way back in a crowd 3 million strong, and all the Starbucks along the way were out of iced soy chai mochachinos! I don't know how we made it that day, but we sent the man a message!"

PLV,

I guess somebody's got to tell you:

Nobody likes you

So let me see here, a fake vet is complaining that people have hijacked his fake vet name to speak against him.

Yup, that's a solid 9.5 on the irony meter.

Also, someone should take a note of the info Grouper posted, and see if PLV cuts and pastes it some time.

The idiot probably isn't smart enough to find it on Google just like I did.

"Nobody likes you"

Does that mean I shouldn't count on winning any prizes?

Sure is a good thing I don't post here anymore; otherwise evryone would think that last post was by me!

Aw, you guys are being too tough on PLnVa...
He's for real, I tell ya!
Why, he and I used to bulls-eye womp rats in my T-16...almost as easy as killing penguins.
And they taste just like peguins, too.

I don't post here anymore, because I don't have time for you Republifags.

But if I did still post here, I'd say that Uncle Jefe is exactly right. I'm real, damn it! And I do so have one of those... uh, MSO thingies, I'm just not going to tell you what it is! Because if I did you'd come to my house and try to take my freedom away, but I have backup anyway, so go ahead! Come and get me! Fags!

ROFL.

I especially liked:

I don't want
Anybody else
When I think about Kos
I touch myself

"The idiot probably isn't smart enough to find it on Google just like I did."
__________________________________________
This attribution to 'Grouper' is false, and the poster is a fraud using email addy "liar@phoney.com" which is also fraudulent.

My original questions about RVN stand to include DEROS, MOS, & DOS?

Just wanted to point out that I don't post here anymore.

" beating up on a country that was basically defenseless. "

Poor wittle defenseless mafio-Stalinists.

Aw, dammit.

Here you go.

Ace could you ban this id too, I don't know who this idiot is.

More, if you're interested.

More.

If you want to "get both sides" on Hussein and the Party, try this.

It's hard to find, though. And to stomach.

You can't ban me. I don't post here anymore! HAHAHAHAHA!

I don't have time for you fags. What, you think the gerbils wrap themselves up in duct tape? It's time consuming!

PLV seems to have attracted a stalker. That is definitely fag behaviour.

Ha! You people thought you'd gotten rid of me with all of your fag insults.

All I have to say to that is...

damn curfew.

I think you are right on that one Kelly. Whoever is stalking PLV has got a major crush. The one thing I find a little disappointing as well is the fact that no one even attempts to address the issues he raises. Surely we conservatives can do better than simply attacking and sliming the other side can't we.

The one thing I find a little disappointing as well is the fact that no one even attempts to address the issues he raises. Surely we conservatives can do better than simply attacking and sliming the other side can't we.

What points would those be? The parroting of 'Bush lied' talking points? The constant name calling and identity-stealing?

Proud Liberal 'Vet' is a troll and a nasty one at that. He doesn't engage in honest, idea-based debate so frankly, he doesn't deserve anything but the scorn he's been shown.

In other words, fuck him and the gerbil he rode in on.

Sorry Lee, I just thought we could do better. I guess not.

"Us conservatives," indeed! "Attacking and sliming" is pure Dem boilerplate for "pointing out a truth that doesn't poll well about one of our guys."

Sorry Lee, I just thought we could do better. I guess not.

You think we can do better, huh?

Name one point that PL'V' has raised that has not been thoroughly debated ad nauseum on this board.

Just one.

Lee I've just seen attacks myself especially on the point of whether he is a real vet or not. There is no way to determine that on a discussion board. I don't know if any of these people are telling the truth, one way or the other.

Anyway sorry to bother you.

I haven't seen anyone question whether Murtha is a real vet.

Oh, crap...you've been talking about PLV? You've got to be kidding me! He's not even a real grownup. Can't possibly take every anonymous inarticulate boob at face value...Mr Kaus.

Micky,

The first word of the first post of PLV's that I read here was a greeting: "Republifags, . . . "

Do you still wonder why no one "attempts to address the issues he raises?"

Okay, I'll try . . . here I go . . .

I'm not a Republican. Or a fag.

Boy, you're right, that was easier than I expected

anon is about as queer as it gets.

And believe me, I know queer!

Mickey,

He still has yet to respond to anything. Last time someone gave him an actual answer was at the tail end of this thread

With responses such as:

"Proud Liberal Vet (or as the anagram would have it - A Lube Drivel Port) - you wanted legislation cited - well here it is:

Joint Resolution on Iraq 10/11/02 (Link)

Excerpts:

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."