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Der Spiegel Suggests Giving The Israelis/Jews The German State of Schleswig-HolsteinLost In Translation Sarcasm Update: A reader, Andy, who seems to sprechen de German, says this article is sarcastic, the writer is actually pro-Israel and writes often about German anti-semitism, so he's making a Swiftian sort of Modest Proposal. Obviously, this, ahem, changes my opinion about this piece. I don't know why I'm acting this way. I don't read German for a living. Article follows past the jump. I'm keeping my error up, the way I'm told I'm supposed to, but past the jump, because if this is sarcastic, the article itself doesn't seem very newsworthy. Except perhaps to show that Germans, contrary to rumor, can exhibit a sense of humor from time to time. Strange on so many levels. How should a Jew take this? One one hand, it's nice to see Germans (largely anti-Israel) concede that the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and hence most ME conflict, is the result of their own genocidal actions. On the other hand, for some bizarre reason, Der Spiegel is actually supporting Iran's crazy idea of relocating the people now residing in Israel. And, of course, I can't imagine many Jews would be thrilled at the idea of living, essentially, in a German colony. Germany of all places. Germany, which 1) still hates Jews and 2) periodically gets very militant about taking back historic German lands. Bizarre. Wasn't there a 40 year period when Germans had common sense to avoid alk-tay about the ew-Jays? Maybe we should go back to that. posted by Ace at 11:38 PM
Commentsabout 75 years too late. Israel has assimilated from the globe. Including all the Arab countries that decided "oh great, you have a place now. get the hell out". Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 9, 2005 11:51 PM
Dear Germany: Only on one condition: You fucking Germans have to all be DEAD first. Fuck you, and your Grandfathers, too. Cordially yours, Israel Posted by: Sharkman on December 9, 2005 11:51 PM
Insane. Posted by: Cutler on December 10, 2005 12:04 AM
ix-Nay on the aughing-Lay! Posted by: Dennis on December 10, 2005 12:07 AM
If there ever was a post deserving of the Akbar "It's a trap!' this is it. Posted by: Dr. Reo Symes on December 10, 2005 12:07 AM
Give the Jews all of Germany, and move the Germans down to Antarctica. Posted by: Mark on December 10, 2005 12:12 AM
Ace, LOL. Anyway, this reminds me of what Natan Sharansky had pointed out. In the 1930's the slogan in Germany was "Jews to Palestine." Now, it's "Jews Out of Palestine." And today, the world has come full-circle. Sort of, anyway. There's the remaining problem of the murder of 2/3 of the world's Jews by the Nazi's and the Stalinists. Other than that, I sure it's a great fucking idea, this. Posted by: MeTooThen on December 10, 2005 12:18 AM
Der Spiegel: Nazis who placate. Posted by: on December 10, 2005 12:20 AM
didn't germany already try this in ww2? in warsaw? Posted by: Yogimus on December 10, 2005 12:44 AM
Absolutely ridiculous! Why should the Israelis have to move because the Middle East and Germany think it's a great idea? Israel is their home and no one is going to push them out. Der Spiegel better be careful with their grand scheme, you move the Jewish people back to Germany....makes Germany a better target for the Islamists to take out their "enemies" in one swoop. Posted by: Ginifer on December 10, 2005 12:46 AM
You know, I do kinda wanna hear some Islamists trip over their demands to wipe "Schleswig-Holstein" off the map. Posted by: Sortelli on December 10, 2005 12:49 AM
Is this another Final Solution of the Jewish Problem by the Germans? Posted by: Blackjack on December 10, 2005 12:52 AM
Such comments by Der Spiegel and Ahmadinezhad (yemakh shemo) betray an utter lack of understanding as to why Jews returned to Israel. Actually, the entire point can be summarized in the last verb used in my previous sentence: returned. Israel is not some convenient real estate to which to flee for protection, autonomy, and sovereignty. Australia, South America, or Canada would have been better. Jews have a link to the land of Israel that is mentioned and spiritually caressed several times every single day. Besides, a major reason to return is Jerusalem. It's kind of hard to relocate an entire city, hills and ruins and all, to Germany. When it comes to Jews, Germany should keep its mouth shut. Which reminds me of a dialogue from Yes, Minister: Jim Hacker: "Europe is a community of nations, dedicated towards one goal." Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Oh, ha ha ha." Jim: "May we share the joke, Humphrey?" Humphrey: "Oh Minister, let's look at this objectively. It's a game played for national interests, it always was. Why do you suppose we went into it?" Jim: "To strengthen the brotherhood of Free Western nations." Humphrey: "Oh really. We went in to screw the French by splitting them of from the Germans." Jim: "So why did the French go into it then?" Humphrey: "Well, to protect their inefficient farmers from commercial competition." Jim: "That certainly doesn't apply to the Germans." Humphrey: "No no, they went in to cleanse themselves of genocide and apply for readmission to the human race." Posted by: Muslihoon on December 10, 2005 01:06 AM
Horseshit like this always leaves me confused, I wish people would preface their brilliant ideas with when exactly history started for them so I could put it in some kind of context, because I thought the problem with Israel started a long damn time before WWII or the pogroms.
Posted by: B Moe on December 10, 2005 01:11 AM
Iran's a really big country. Why not move Israel there? Posted by: Moonbat_One on December 10, 2005 01:19 AM
Even I could write this South Park episode. Posted by: Cutler on December 10, 2005 01:48 AM
Let the Israelis have France. Couldn't hurt... Posted by: Cheese_Tensor on December 10, 2005 06:53 AM
Far easier to distribute "Palestinians" throughout the Arab world, something that should have happened when Israel was re-born. Posted by: tefta on December 10, 2005 07:42 AM
I'm guessing nations with The Bomb won't be relocating any time soon. Posted by: BumperStickerist on December 10, 2005 09:47 AM
Is it possible this is some sort of "A Modest Proposal" type satire that's getting lost in translation due to: 1. being in a foreign language, and Posted by: David C on December 10, 2005 09:47 AM
No, it wasn't "lost in translation." The opening sentence says that the Iranian President's idea "isn't as absurd as one might think." Only a dhimmi-kraut could come with this, however. Posted by: Redhand on December 10, 2005 09:53 AM
Israel has to be moved to Germany NOW. Their army is broken...their soldiers are living hand-to-mouth. Posted by: Proud Liberal Vet Murtha on December 10, 2005 10:26 AM
Well at least Germany has some experience in relocating Jews to, um, planned communities. I can't believe any German could suggest this without any sense of shame. Posted by: JackStraw on December 10, 2005 10:29 AM
"Far easier to distribute "Palestinians" throughout the Arab world, something that should have happened when Israel was re-born." What should have happened is when they partitioned the territory of Palestine they should have given part of it to the Muslim Palestinians.....wait a minute.... they did....it's called Jordan. Posted by: B Moe on December 10, 2005 10:37 AM
Moe, you and I are the only two people on the face of the earth that know that. Ever wonder why? The reason I say that they should have been dispersed among all the Arab lands is it would have avoided a "Jordan" from coming into existence. Posted by: tefta on December 10, 2005 10:50 AM
I guess its a bit out of context. The guy who wrote that piece for the spiegel was Henrik M. Broder. He is a sarcastic one and on his own homepage there are a lot of examples that he is very pro Israel. He also wrote some books about how anti semitic the germans still are today. Look at http://www.henryk-broder.de/startseite/startseite.html for yourself but its all written in german. Posted by: Andy on December 10, 2005 10:51 AM
best history I've read was The Siege by Conor Cruise O'Brien. Not in print anymore but you can still find it. O'Brien was the Irish ambassador to the UN - his interest in writing the book came from his experience there. At the UN, delegates are seated alphabetically (English) by country name. He sat between Iraq and Israel. it's a great read. Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 10, 2005 11:12 AM
The fun part comes when the displaced Holsteiners start training their kids to be splodeydopes and demanding that the houses they sold to the Jews be given back to them. Posted by: Paul Zrimsek on December 10, 2005 11:14 AM
Germany is not anti-Semitic. It outsources its anti-Semitism to the Muslims because the Germans are still dealing with their Holocaust guilt. Only in Germany can the Iranians have a bookfair where they distribute the Protocols for TWO years in a row. Only in Germany could "Paradise Now" win a film award. You see...it's so easy. Just let those wacky Muslims rant and rave about the Jews and just nod in silent approval. And always be concerned about the "Palestinian" people, the most oppressed people in the world, the dogma of progressivism and anti-racism demands it. Taking shots at the Jews makes the Germans feel better about themselves. So the Germans orchestrated the Holocaust, so what, it was a tiny minority of German extremists. And afterall, aren't the Israelis committing a Holocaust against the Palestinians? Shouldn't we honor them with their own special day too? Who are we to judge which was worse? The Palestinians think that their lot is worse and we should take their word for it because the Palestinains could never lie since they are oppressed. They are the victims of Jewish imperialism and they have no outside support, nobody to carry their noble message of Third World nationalism. Don't worry friends, there's nothing wrong with Germany. They are partying actually. They are partying like it's 1939 because that's just how they roll. Posted by: arch on December 10, 2005 12:24 PM
Bartender: You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to learn how to deal with it. Posted by: abe shorey on December 10, 2005 12:26 PM
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