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December 07, 2005

Bush Links December 7, 1941 With 9/11

Chris Matthews Screams That There Were No "Close Operational Ties" Between Osama Bin Ladin and Hirohito

Today we mark the anniversary of a fateful day in American history. On December the 7th, 1941, our peaceful nation awoke to an attack plotted in secret and executed without mercy. The strike on Pearl Harbor was the start of a long war for America — a massive struggle against those who attacked us and those who shared their destructive ambitions.
Fortunately for all of us, a great generation of Americans was more than equal to the challenge. Our nation pulled together and despite setbacks and battlefield defeats, we did not waver in freedom's cause.

With courage and determination, we won a war on two fronts: We liberated millions, we aided the rise of democracy in Europe and Asia, we watched enemies become allies, and we laid the foundation of peace for generations.

On September the 11th, 2001, our nation awoke to another sudden attack. In the space of just 102 minutes more Americans were killed than we lost at Pearl Harbor. Like generations before us, we accepted new responsibilities, and we confronted new dangers with firm resolve.

Like generations before us, we're taking the fight to those who attacked us — and those who share their murderous vision for future attacks. Like generations before us, we've faced setbacks on the path to victory — yet we will fight this war without wavering. And like the generations before us, we will prevail.

posted by Ace at 03:35 PM

Comments

technically most Americans were already awake. it was like, 1-something in the afternoon in DC.

is that nit-picking? am I killing this thread?

Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 7, 2005 04:19 PM

It was more like 10am.

Posted by: Bart on December 7, 2005 04:24 PM

really? it was just before 8 at Pearl. that's what, 4 hours from the central tz. Even if there was no daylight savings time back then, it'd have been noon in DC

well, I thought the japanese embassy dude in Tora Tora Tora that couldn't type worth a damn was supposed to deliver the last part of the ultimatum to Secretary Hull before 1pm, but maybe that was some hollywood license.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 7, 2005 04:35 PM

You're right, DiT. I was thinking 9/11.

Maybe "awoke" is used metaphorically?

Posted by: Bart on December 7, 2005 04:45 PM

ah, my bad, I did not make that clear!

Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 7, 2005 04:48 PM

9/11 was about 9:30. I remember because I was getting on a commuter flight from Boston to NY which obviously never left.

Posted by: JackStraw on December 7, 2005 04:58 PM

When I first glanced at that headline, I thought it said that there were no operational ties between Osama bin Ladin and Benihana.

Which is probably true. Because if there were, the headchoppers would have had much better quality knives...

Posted by: utron on December 7, 2005 05:07 PM

Did we even have time zones back in '41?

Posted by: kelly on December 7, 2005 05:15 PM

Time zones were established by the railroads so that trains could run on time and be "apparently" on time as the sun moved across the sky.

Daylight savings time, though, I think was established during WWii for essentially the same reason.

Posted by: Dee Da Go on December 7, 2005 05:19 PM

Yes, 1941, which 64 years ago was the current year.

Posted by: Chris Matthews on December 7, 2005 05:37 PM

Actually time zones were created after the Civil War in order that the White House was always an hour ahead of the defeated centrally located Southerners. Daylight savings created so Eisenhower could play more golf.

Posted by: Cliff Claven on December 7, 2005 05:41 PM

Time zones were created by the Chinese, because they got tired of waking up when it's dark and sleeping when it's light. As if standing upside down all the time weren't bad enough.

Posted by: on December 7, 2005 05:45 PM

China only has one time zone, but it should have 2 or 3 if not more.

BTW, I wonder why the Democrats weren't screaming about our troops fighting Vichy French troops in 1942...wasn't it Japan that attacked us?

USA lost thousands of men in Operation Torch to the French...

Posted by: Aaron on December 7, 2005 09:20 PM

so of course this excuses the US regime for interning 1000's of yellow people in concentration camps?

Posted by: LibRAl on December 7, 2005 11:06 PM

Pretty much.

Posted by: Knemon on December 8, 2005 12:51 AM

I mean, in retrospect, sure, we shouldn't have done that.

Does it put us on the same level as the Axis?
mmmmmmNO.

Posted by: Knemon on December 8, 2005 12:53 AM

Knemon, I'm not entire sure that, given the situation at the time, interning the people of Japanese descent wasn't justified. Remember, there were also indications that there were sabotage units amongst the Nissie. Like today, intelligence can be wrong and, like today, after a major hit on US soil, people weren't willing to bet US lives. Another problem was the Nissie themselves - none were out there condeming the Japanese Imperialism in the newspapers, etc. Most Americans had no idea of which way the Nissie would jump after Pearl Harbor. HISTORY tells us they were loyal citizens, but that's 20-20 hindsight.

Posted by: rabidfox on December 8, 2005 10:35 AM

I guess. That's what I mean by "in retrospect."

Posted by: Knemon on December 8, 2005 06:47 PM

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🚨ED MILIBAND [a Minister in Starmer's government] SAYS KEIR STARMER WILL RESIGN AS PRIME MINISTER

He has reportedly reassured Labour MP's that Starmer will be resigning following the disastrous results tonight

It's over

"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
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Now they've lost 84%.

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That is much worse than the worst case predictions I’ve seen.

Cataclysmic

Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.

Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...

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br> If this continues, Keir Starmer will be out of office next week.

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