OT: GIANT FRIGGIN JELLYFISH

Sweet...
Jacob's Ladder...
I was going to use those dudes with their heads blurrily buzzing around in the Dick Cheney contest...

So if we administered BZ to captured terrorists to assist in interrogation, would it be considered torture since they voluntarily use it on their own?

Leftist answer:

Of course it would because it would be assisting the interrogation.

An hallucinogenic? Oh that's bloody brilliant.

First Marine: "What's he doing?"
Second Marine: "He's arguing with a wall."
Jihadi talking to wall: "I am telling you, Ahmed, that the infidel giant cucumbers are attaking! Don't you call me that, Ahmed!"

Yeah, having your fighting force wandering off to fight giant cucumbers is a brilliant strategy. Keep it up, guys.

Of course, drugs are forbidden by the Koran, but okay if they're utilized in the service of Allah to kill infidels.

The Hashishiin gave drugs to their inductees to fool them into thinking they were in Paradise, so that the foot soldiers would be convinced they were doing God's work.

Also, the Somalis apparently used the same tactic, with a drug called khat, which made them feel invincible. They weren't, as American bullets proved time and again, but if you've got a hundred thousand people who think they are invincible charging at you, dropping fifty of them won't convince the others.

I've never understood using hash before killing somebody. It's one thing if you do it before listening to some music and talking about how, like, the universe is huge, man. But going out to kill somebody? Most people find buying pretzels at 7-11 to be a stressful experience when stoned, because a common side-effect of marijuana is anxiety (which stoners incorrectly call "paranoia"). It seems to me that trying to assassinate somebody while stoned would reduce most people to sitting in the corner shaking. I don't get it. (Pass the pretzels.)

a well-nigh irrestible desire to watch Ren & Stimpy cartoons (and then insist, despite all available evidence, that the show is "sick-funny")

You must have started watching Ren & Stimpy after they got all corporatized and chased John Kricfalusi off. Those early ones: classics.

(someone had to say it)

So why would you weaponize BZ if it makes the target "high and very aggressive?" That makes no sense.

Quinuclidine? Wow, this brings me back. In the summer of 1980, I got a grant to work with my Prof, on some inorganic salts. One of his wild ideas was to latch this onto some metals. So I did. This is some foul stuff, so we did it in a vacuum, but don't kid yourself, not all of it was contained.

From some web site:

"Quaternary salts of PMP series are extremely unstable"

We didn't try to make any organic salts, but I do recall being a goof. On break, I used to bring friends in, and show them how to break a rubber band after dipping in in the liquid nitrogen. Benzene was definitely in the labs, tho I don't recall what's a "benzillate".

We did so many drugs that summer, that had I combined the quinuclidine with the benzene, I'd have been the hit of many a party. And then we'd have been high and very aggressive. And gotten all the chicks.

I could see dosing your guys up if it were hand-to-hand combat. A guy I knew in college once did some micro-dots and went into a McDonalds and took a shit in the drain in the middle of the floor of the girls restroom. When the cops arrived it took four of them to get him out of McD's and into a cruiser; that shit gave him retard strength or something. I can't see the advantages, except for us, of dosing Muhammed up and giving them an AK though, just to go out and get his cap peeled. Pretty stupid on their part.

of course I wasn't with my bro at McD's.

BZ?! BEE-Freakin'-ZEE??!?! Wowzer. Imagine a guy going through a meth-head psychotic attack who also thinks he can melt walls with his gaze. From what I read about BZ in the Army, its very scary; especially since they probably have the old Soviet 'one-step-removed-from-pesticide' version.