Ace, they can do backbone transplants now. I only bring it up because your current one seems to not be working.

Not peer reviewed, but that article you linked in the gay post put some science behind it.

...More surprising was just how different the story with women turned out to be. Most women, whether they identified as straight, lesbian, or bisexual, were significantly aroused [measured response to picture stimulus of] straight, gay, and lesbian sex. "I'm not suggesting that most women are bisexual," says Michael Bailey, the psychology professor whose lab conducted the studies. "I'm suggesting that whatever a woman's sexual arousal pattern is, it has little to do with her sexual orientation." That's fundamentally different from men. "In men, arousal is orientation. It's as simple as that. That's how gay men learn they are gay."

Again, you don't hate me, you hate science.

I gotta start hangin' out at UCLA more often...

"When's the last time you saw two straight guys making out at a party to titilate the women? Or a straight guy "playfully" feeling up a guy's joint as a "joke"? "

Happens all the time.

In Berkeley.

Your results may vary.

When's the last time you saw two straight guys making out at a party to titilate the women? Or a straight guy "playfully" feeling up a guy's joint as a "joke"?

Most women aren't titilated by watching others. We prefer doing it. As to playfully feeling up each other, all I have to say is towel snapping. What's that about? And exactly what are your trying to hit with said towel? It's just "feeling up a guy's joint" subliated.

That shd read sublimated.

I don't know where you get these ideas. "Towel-snapping" is a joke. It almost never happens. If a guy tries to snap me with a towel in a locker room, yeah, I begin to suspect he's gay. The point of a locker room is to go from the showers to fully dressed in the most efficient manner possible, not engage in "playful" flirtation.

But it doesn't happen much outside of gay porn movies. I played high school football for four years and never witnessed any "towel-snapping."

Not saying it's never happened. It's just that you have these bizarre ideas of what's going on in male locker rooms.

You're like quicksand. I can't seem to disengage from this ludicrous discussion with you, but I intend to do so...

Now.

Maybe, you just weren't pretty enough for anyone to snap their towel at. lol!

Not saying it's never happened. It's just that you have these bizarre ideas of what's going on in male locker rooms.

No more bizarre than the ideas men have of what's going on in female locker rooms.

You can't disengage because you know there is truth in what I am saying. I will admit that you are pretty enough for someone to snap their towel at. I was just fibbing when I suggested otherwise. If no one snapped a towel at you, that is their lost, not yours.

What is the purpose of all this sex research? To change one's orientation? Or, as with gays, to validate that they are born that way and therefore any difference in rights is discrimination? Other than that, what purpose is served?

Years ago I was in a large medical center waiting for an appt. They had a stack of med. journals and I started reading one. There was a story about a baby who had a circumcision gone wrong. Don't ask me how. So, they decide to cut what's left of his poor little penis off and castrate him to boot, and raise him as a girl. I was outraged. Is that what they think being female is all about? Not having a penis and testicles. I couldn't believe it and for a long time afterwards I didn't believe the story I read was true.

Then a few years ago, I read in the paper about this kid being a teenager and how miserable he felt growing up as a girl. He finally rebelled and refused to dress like a girl and take the hormones. Anyway, a few years later, he committed suicide.

I'm telling you all this because it is one of the reasons why I think all this sex research and all these sex researchers are a bunch of assholes. They put their junk science before common sense.

They put their junk science before common sense.

No one study confirms nor denies anything. All you can determine is the degree to which your findings are not due to chance. The complex interplay between genetics and environment is a topic that always comes up in medicine and biology.

Studying chemical reactions and human reactions to various things is always a large, thick, and valuable, um, "tool" if you're studying psychology or human behavior or neuroscience. In short, this is important because learning more about how the body and mind work is always important.

Let's say some people are turned on at the sight of children....Pedophiliacs, ya know. Perhaps something found in the research of normal human sexuality can later lead to treatments to subvert pedophilia. This would be valuable, would it not?

And, of course , I'm ALL about men learning about what turns chicks on. TOTALLY up for that.

hehe... Guys Gone Wild!!

Perhaps something found in the research of normal human sexuality can later lead to treatments to subvert pedophilia. This would be valuable, would it not?

Sure, but for the life of me I cannot imagine any successful treatment for pedophilia. All I have seen to come out of sex research are justifications for girl on girl pictorials and for little boys getting their dicks cut off. Bleh.

"I take this to mean that chicks are just horny 'take it where you find it' pleasure sluts. "

You know maybe Mohammed was onto something with women's evil hair rays

Ace, they can do backbone transplants now. I only bring it up because your current one seems to not be working.

Heh.

Rule No. 1.

When in a hole, stop digging.

Personally I hope this is bullshit. Like the odds aren't bad enough, now I need competition from other women?

Oh and high school and college ball and I saw lots of towel snapping. If you ever got snapped in the ass (yea that was the target) with a wet towel you would know that the only person who might find that sexually stimulating would be the Marquis de Sade.

"I played high school football for four years "

Football and D&D?

You contain multitudes, Ace.

What does it matter what arouses women? All they have to do is lie there - while the man is hard at work, they can think about whatever they want to.

Ducks runs hides.

PS What is the question an Englishwoman most often asks her husband? - 'Darling, is it in yet?'

I've seen loads of straight girls make out with each other at parties but have yet to see straight guys do the same.

Anecdotal? Sure. But somehow that anecdote pops up an awful lot. In the same direction.

We're quick to believe the MSM is biased because all of the "mistakes" operate in the same direction. Why is this any different?

I'm telling you, the girls are making out to arouse MEN. MEN are the main focus. Kissing the other girl is not exciting, what is exciting is the admiration of the MEN watching. Women will stop at nothing to get the attention of MEN. We love MEN. You MEN love MEN too. MEN are just GAY, they get off on watching other guy's naked bodies in porno movies, how GAY is that. Most men have looked at 100's of other men's naked dicks. That is so GAY. get over your GAY selves GAY guys!

I'm going to see Bareback Mountain, oops, I mean Brokeback Mountain. It's a true story. All cowboys are gay.

Yeah, and everybody has a friend whose mother works in the emergency room and was there the night Richard Gere came in.

So the fact that almost all these anecdotes operates in the same way is to be ignored?

Thanks for that Michelle and blanky.

So I guess the MSM really isn't biased to the Left.

Kidding aside, Michelle is right about this:

I'm telling you, the girls are making out to arouse MEN. MEN are the main focus.

blanky,

And as Ace said...

Straight men don't kiss/fondle each other to excite the women.

So there's something more to it.

57% of college age women say that would like to have sex with Angelina Jolie, and 90% of men would like to watch! Yea!

I don't think it's a matter of anything weird going on in women's brains, I think it's just that women are intrinsicly physically attractive, to everyone. _Gorillas_ are into human females. Remember when you were little and had no interest in having sex? You still REALLY wanted to see women naked, didn't you?

Now the way so many women go around having sex with DUDES, that's perverse.

Most men have looked at 100's of other men's naked dicks.

This statement is factually incorrect, as most men have only stared in awe at Dick Cheney's dick, also known as the Magnificent Obsession!

There is no towel-snapping in men's locker rooms? I feel so... disillusioned. I will admit all my ideas of what goes on in the male locker room comes from watching Porky's.

One of the hottest dates I ever had was when my sister and I dated 2 roommates. One was from Spain and the other from Central America. They cooked us dinner and then put on some music. Then they started to dance kind of with each other. My sister and I got all squirmy. My sister said to me, American men don't do this. All they did was dance for us, but it showed a lack of inhibition that most American guys just don't have. But it only proves that they were GAY!

Michelle, was it like they were -- twins???

Yes twins, that's the ticket. Me and the sista is practically twins too, both redheaded. So it was twins doing twins, you know, double your pleasure, double your fun.

Sounds like porn, to me

Well I'm glad to know blanky and Michelle have assured me that just because the evidence leans one direction I can ignore the logical conclusion.

Now I'm off to click my heels three times while saying "There is no biased MSM!"

Some of it's cultural. I'm a young, completely straight woman, and have never been attracted to another woman, but the idea of making out with one just isn't as yucky to me as the idea of men making out. Concepts of femininity are much more flexible in our culture than concepts of masculinity. For the same reason, women can wear pants and like sports, but men wearing dresses and reading romance novels is taboo.

P.S. Michelle, how funny! I would have been simultaniously mortified and deeply amused.

Really don't understand the whole chicks making out at parties thing, and have never witnessed it.

But the very idea that all women are bisexual, just because of the results of this research, is preposterous to me.

Girls tend to get physically close with their friends. We don't have this pathological fear about it, the way guys do, with their 'homo seat' between them in the movie theater.

When I was a little girl I noticed that the little boys didn't hold hands when walking down the street, the way my sister and our friends often did.

Completely straight girls who care about each other, are not afraid to hug and kiss each other.
I left my best girlfriend's house Friday night and we hugged and gave each other a peck on the cheek and told each other 'I love you.'

We are both straight adult married women.
I have no desire to 'make out' with her.

I find the female form pleasing, and can admire a beautiful woman. And porno with hot chicks is arousing.
But I don't want to go to bed with one. The act requires a man.

I think this is one of those weird areas where straight women don't really talk too much about it, mostly because men aren't going to be able to really understand, the same way that we don't understand men at times.

Girl-on-girl porn totally turns me on. Always has. However, on the two occassions when women have actually made advances, I utterly recoiled.

It's just fantasy.

The one thing I want most after watching two gals get it on, is a man.

As for women 'doing it' in order to turn on men, I believe that. Some of the most insecure women I know have done exactly that.

And, in the end, after the hootin and howlin had died down, even the men didn't care for them afterwards.

I'm telling you, the girls are making out to arouse MEN. MEN are the main focus. Kissing the other girl is not exciting, what is exciting is the admiration of the MEN watching. Women will stop at nothing to get the attention of MEN. We love MEN.

I have a name for women like these, I call them attention-whores because they'll do about anything to get attention. Sadly more and more girls are becoming attention-whores all the time.

Sadly????

Sadly more and more girls are becoming attention-whores all the time.

Those naughty, naughty girls.

Interestingly, I'm not a college age femaile, but I'd like to have sex with Angelina Jolie. I believe that this proves the study is flawed.

Some of the most insecure women I know have done exactly that.

Did they also leave addresses and pictures? Because I only date 8 to 10's and they got to come to the table with something. Otherwise, I've got fantasy football to play.