His Crips heritage is extremely relevant to clemency, because that is a political consideration, not a legal one, a fact that is illustrated by the attempts of his supporters to bring up his children's books as reason to not execute him.

And if you're going to weigh the two, it seems pretty obvious that founding an organization that's murdered thousands (literally) and contributed nontrivially to the national crime rate outweighs writing some books for the kiddies telling them to be nice to each other.

On top of that, the fact that he's never admitted guilt to the crimes for which he was convicted seems for me to be a deal breaker all by itself as far as clemency goes.

Tell the Governator what you think. Because Maria's telling him to commute.

Once again, the glitterati of Hollyweird has brought forward a 'worthy' cause and candidate for our consideration...lovely. If for nothing other than his involvement in the establishment of the Crips, I'd say this man deserves his due. But add to that his convictions (yes, I'm sure he's innocent -- after all, that's how they stock the entire penal system in the US), I'd say it's a slam-dunk. Do the crime -- do the time...period.

If you view the District Attorney's response in Adobe Acrobat, you can momentarily view the photos they redacted from their motion before posting to the internet. There is no way the son of a bitch deserves clemency.
http://da.co.la.ca.us/pdf/swilliams.pdf

Less gory photos can be found here: http://www.johnandkenshow.com/

Williams founded the Crips, Arafat founded the PLO. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I guess if you're angling for a Peace Prize, one way to do it is to form a murderous organization and then act contrite and promise to stop when it doesn't get you anywhere.

Ummmm...Blank? At the risk of leaving the impression I was angling for gorey photos, the nastiest thing in that .pdf are samples of Tookie's handwriting.

He dots his i's with asterisks.

Well, ignoring the photo of the 76 year old disemboweled man with part of his arm blown off, I heard an interview with one of Tooks old gangbanger buddies. He swore up and down that Tooks really “liked the boyz” so to speak. That may explain the asterisks.

Seriously, I didn't get the impression he was a pedophile or gay. It sounded like he was always a predator and while in different juvenile facilities, he had no compunction against raping younger boys if he felt the urge.

Fond Memories of Tookie

Ok, Fox news commentators keep referring to bad things
Tookie has done WHILE IN PRISON. And then today I heard they had had the prison guard on saying this guy is still working the system from the inside. Well, I want some details and I want some proof. These celebrities seem to think that he has totally become a new person inside. Well, that didn't help Karla Faye Tucker, now did it??

Now, I have mixed feelings here. I am against the death penalty. So I don't want him to be executed. But I don't think he should get off (in the legal sense) from the evidence I have heard so far.

And one more thing. Isn't it a bit unfair for those who are executed more quickly? I mean they could have written children's books as well if they had had the time.

I am all mixed up on this. Cuz I HATE agreeing in any way with the liberals.

If you really want to view the redacted photos and have a copy of Adobe Acrobat (not Reader), just save the PDF to your hard drive, then extract the images using FILE/EXPORT/Extract Images A. The redacted images will save out as viewable images in the file format you select. Be forwarned, they are pretty disgusting. This piece of shit doesn't need clemency.

I have Acrobat 4. File/Export does not give me the option you list. However, by just moving from page to page or using the zoom in tool on the photo, gives me a long enough look to be sickened.

Clemency? Feh... Like this oxygen thief deserves clemency in the first place.

I've got an idea, let's make Tookie and Mumia fight a bare knuckle, no holds barred deathmatch, winner gets clemency (life without parole, in solitary confinement). Whoever wins, give them clemency for their original crimes, then have them tried with the loser's murder (death penalty on the table of course).

I've got Acrobat 5. I think that's when the export image function was added.

Now Hector has an idea I can get behind. I hope this would not be Pay Per View but rather something that ESPN or Court TV could bid on like the Olympics coverage.

Maybe they could have a death-match between Tookie and Mumia and the survivor goes free?

TOOKIE WILLIAMS DO YOU THINK HE IS LOOKING FOR A HOLLYWOOD CONTRACT TO MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT HIS LIFE? MAYBE HE CANB GET OLIVER STONE,MICHEAL MOORE OR MARTIN SKORSIE TO MAKE A MOVIE

Small fact about Tookie Williams:

As a child, Tookie used to read childrens books written by Dick Cheney.

spurwing, mi amigo, they've already beat you to it. I remember seeing a movie about the Tookster on FX about a year or two ago. Starring Jamie Foxx.

I don't know about Jamie Fox's involvement but Snoop is a member of the Crips. He and Tookie may claim to no longer being affiliated but but their just blowin' smoke up the public asses. When you see Snoop take note of the fact that he ALWAYS has some article like bandana, hat, pants, shirt etc, etc that is blue. This is not a coincidence, it is a requirement, It represents that he is a member of the Crips, it is their color just as red is the chosen color for Bloods. Snoop still gives a large amount of money to the Crips. As for Tookie he knows that once a Crip always a Crip, there is only one way to become an "ex" memberand that is to die.
Jamie Fox it seems to me, is a typical "hollywood star" in that he believes that simply studying or preparing to pretend that you are something that you are not for the sake of a movie makes you an expert on that subject. It imbues you with a special insight that no one else can have. Like the time that Meryl Streep testified to congress that farmers who were using Alar to coat apples for extended shelf life were killing children. She based this on her infinite knowledge gained when she pretended to be a farmers wife in a movie. After causing unbelievable damage to the apple industry it was revealed that "oops" she was wrong, Alar is nothing more than watery wax. Did she apologize? Hell no. She just moved on with her privelaged little life. Sorry, the whole point of this rant is that when it comes to social matters hollywood stars are assholes.

so you found some hollywood stars that you feel act improperly regarding social matters ergo all hollywood stars fail at these things.

so if i could give you some examples of republicans that misled and screwed up on serious issues, then you must agree that all republicans are assholes in regards to these issues.

deal?

i'm no big fan of hollywood, but your logic is piss poor.