As a Person of Girth, I can point out that Rall's Moore is missing a few chins.

The cartoon you're interested in, Ace, is yesterday's. Let folks know they have to push "previous" to get there from your link.

Cartoon corrected. Thanks.

I want to comment on this but I have to go to the bathroom first and have a Rall movement.

I refuse to even look at it, because I know if I do I'm going to have to hunt Rall down and murder him with my bare hands.

Hmm, on second thought...

Ace, as you stated so well re Sarah Silverman, offensive humor has to have humor or it's just offensive. As ashamed as I am to admit it, I have involunarily giggled at some very un-PC and vulgar jokes that, despite their tastelessness, were actually funny. I think another key aspect is hurt: a joke that hurts (I don't mean annoys or even insults or "offends") is not funny. I get a tad irritated at blonde jokes, but that doesn't make them any less funny. Generalized group jokes are funny; specific jokes are dangerous.

C'mon, Ace. Everyone knows Rall is a tool and a hack.

Why don't you point them towards the infinitely more talented Glenn McCoy?

Go Ted! Good Boy!

Be sure to let the folks at home know whose side you're on buddy.

What a pathetic asshole.

I'd almost swear he was one of Rove's moles.

Cartoon corrected. Thanks.

Posted by Dr. Reo Symes at November 28, 2005 08:51 PM

You're not Ace.

Ah yes, the old returning-war-vet-as-ready-to-explode-violent-sexual-psycho gambit. A staple of media Leftards since 1971 (see 'Deer Hunter,' 'Coming Home,' ad nauseum), it allows one to portray vets as unhinged lunatics while maintaining a fig leaf of "sympathy." Funny, it never seems that these amateur psychoanalysts have ever encountered one of the vets that they are more than eager to diagnose with every pathology.

I was at a wedding last weekend between my niece and her boyfriend, both of whom returned 5 months ago from a lengthy tour of Iraq; both were members of an Iowa Natl Guard engineering batallion. I have it on good authority that their nuptial relations were amazing. The kind of sex you can only have after, say, liberating 25 million people.

It might be a hard concept for Ted Rall to imagine while he's molesting his $19.95 lifelike vinyl girlfriend. All the more reason to have pity for the poor self-abusing scribbler.

Man that guy is disgusting. I need a shower after visiting his site. I'll never do that again.

I've dived nearly full CHT tanks to retrieve objects blocking the overboard valve, closed out CHT tanks without cleaning them first, and cleaned out the waste disposal tanks from the galley underway (which smelled even worse than the shit tanks -- I swear to God). There are some things even military folks won't do. Visiting Ted Rall's site should be listed as one of those most distasteful things.

Subsunk

Political cartoonists are a special breed of people.

Rall is the most "special" of the breed. Ted uses the only way he knows how to express his politics -- cartoons. If it weren't for cartoons, Ted Rall would be just another guy with hatred towards the Right, like Tubino.

But somewhere in history, the political cartoonist was regarded as a satirical genius, therefore, an artiste.

No matter if the material is trash or profound, the artiste should have a platform in which to express himself (as long as he is left-leaning, of course).

So we end up with Ted Rall: an angry little man filled with so much animosity he lives with nothing but the desire to attack his enemies. His talent for illustration is lousy, his captions are not even close to being clever or brilliant. Rall's words are that of angry teenager who is stuck in the parent hating phase of his life, like Tubino.

Nevertheless Rall is published and, in some circles, acclaimed. I know everyone has different tastes, but the Ted Rall is an ugly cowardly human being who hides behind his cartoon to attack people, like Tubino. The same assholes who like Rall are probably the same ones who think Robin Williams and Dennis Leary are funny.

*Robin Williams is not and never has been funny. His antics could be funny to an infant or toddler, but his act is nothing more than "funny" voices and goofy physical comedy, like sitting upside-down in a chair. Wow, what a comedic genius.
Williams is embarrassing to watch, I pity him and feel sorry for his children.

Dennis Leary? He has never made me laugh. Not once. His street-wise samrt-ass act was a lot better the first time I heard it from the guys I grew up with in Massachusetts. Phony prick. And his acting sucks, too.

You're not Ace : Corrected it for him. 'On Ace's behalf' implied. Sorry for confusion.

Wow, saw the Rall on Malkin.

Tubino merely pisses me off, as he is a vessel of spit others have drooled. But I dunno if he is as bad as Bart says. Just like any other lefty friend who has read too much Moore. Just repeating stuff he memorized.

What to make of Rall, is he too crazy to even take seriously, or should we be really pissed? I am sort of reminded of Jenny's hippy boyfriend in Gump, who beat her up because he was soooooooo upset about Vietnam.

But I suppose that even if they don't need it, our moral protection, it should be outrageous that the people who we depend on to keep us safe even have to deal with domestic enemies like this. Then again, going back to the Vietnam model, damn dirty hippies spat on the returning troops. So, maybe we have to take this seriously to keep the belligerent idiots in line.

fuckers...

Why are they here, they can experience multicultural compassion in France.

Bart, the parent-hating thing is kind of a meme with you.
Just an observation.

But Rall strikes me as someone devoid of man's higher instincts; unburdened by compassion, he could mock the 9/11 widows and laugh at the shocked responses.

Without a visceral understanding of service or duty, he cannot understand why people join the military.

His scrawlings reflect what he really thinks its all about.

And perhaps some jealousy; because a nasty little subhuman like him would probably enjoy such antics.

Tubino merely pisses me off, as he is a vessel of spit others have drooled. But I dunno if he is as bad as Bart says.

I think I agree with Bart. I tried to engage tubino. I really did. But it's not the bad ideas that bother me. It's that if you make a point he can't refute, he doesn't even acknowlege it. He just stops posting to that thread and posts somewhere else. It's the fact that he drops a bunch of off-topic links which we're supposed to refute, and then if we go to the immense trouble to do so, ignores it and just does it again later.

By the way, here's a touching Ted Rall essay about donating to charity to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0915-26.htm

Rall reminds me of Goya's Saturn (expressing the myth that the god Saturn, or Cronus, ate his children). Here is a man who is largely the product of America -- a tolerant, secular, free America -- who nevertheless turns on the very people who keep him and his bitter ilk safe from threat.

When you see Rall's scribblings, just remember the painting of Saturn by Goya. This is what Rall really looks like, and is the personality his squalid little works of "art" express.

The parent hating obsession I have lately is an attempt to find the common thread that holds the liberals, leftists, greenies, PETA idiots, and the communists together to hate Bush and the conservative Christians.

These groups should be at odds with each other, yet they share a common goal -- defeat the Bush. I really want to know how a self proclaimed liberal can defend radical Islam for the purpose of hurting the Bush administration. I want to know how a liberal can side with a lefitst and dismiss the oppression in China and praise the government in Venezuela. Why do homosexual-doers and the leftists who hate organized religion not suppoort Bush's efforts to eradicate radical Islam?

*The parent-hating thing is a theory that the left attracts people with resentment towards authority figure. I'm no expert, but a common practice of pycho-therapists is to figure out what happened during the childhood. The therapist will often steer the patient to an unsubstantiated foregone conclusion encouraged by memories of events that never happened or could not possibly be remembered.

The point is that the in vogue thing to do nowadays is be a victim. And there are plenty of "professionals" willing to find one's victimizer.

(Like I asked before, what else could possible be the motivation for a man to be anally penetrated by another man and act all feminine? That isn't your run-of-the-mill lifestyle choice, it's werid shit, doods.)

Oy vey.
Thanks for that, Monty.

P.S. How was your childhood?

It might be a hard concept for Ted Rall to imagine while he's molesting his $19.95 lifelike vinyl girlfriend.

Vinyl boyfriend, yes. Vinyl girlfriend, no.

I'm reminded of the lovely poem by Mr. Goldstein from a while back.

Syncronicity

A fist in his pants,
Ted Rall smiled too, his hatred
relieved with quick jerks.

Obviously I'm going to have problems with Rall's politics, but in all honesty can someone look at that strip and say it's "good"?

The drawing is crude--several people I knew in junior high could draw much, much better and would not have to label every character so the reader knows who it is. And the "ideas" are not clever.

The comment about hiding behind the cartoon is true, despite Rall's pose as a brave maverick. If he just wrote his points in an essay--and he might as well, for all that the illustration adds to them--he'd be even more a laughingstock and intellectual buffoon than he already is.

By the way, here's a touching Ted Rall essay about donating to charity to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0915-26.htm

Posted by SJKevin at November 28, 2005 10:07 PM

What surprised me most about that article was this line in the next-to-last paragraph:

"As we watched New Orleanians die of thirst, disease and anarchic violence in the face of Bush Administration disinterest and local government incompetence..."

I was so shocked to see any blame pointed at the local government I almsot fell out of my chair.

As for the original cartoon that started this discussion...disgusting as usual, but pretty average fare for Mr. Rall.

The same assholes who like Rall are probably the same ones who think Robin Williams and Dennis Leary are funny.

Uh, I've actually found both of them pretty funny back in the day, but I still hate Ted Rall.

But that's okay Bart, your mistaken characterization must be because you hate your parents.

And the unfortunate aspect of all this is that his caustic hyperbole worked: He's getting all SORTS of traffic off this toon.

Sort of like people slowing down to watch a bloody car wreck.

Good ol' Sortelli, my faithful contrarian.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you enjoyed Williams' humor when you were younger than 13.

Dennis Leary? Nah.

I used to think Dice was funny.

I still do.
Whoaaaa!

P.S. My use of "asshole" has increased dramatically because of you, Sortelli. I use it for everything.
Hey asshole, I'm drivng here.
Asshole, I said large Coke.
What are you doing tonight, you sexy asshole?

The girl the soldier was "doing" in Rall's cartoon kinda looked like Mother Sheehan, what with the schnoz and all.

I for one am glad that Ted Rall speaks truth to power. There are few who will brave the slings and arrows of neocon fascist outrage. I'm reminded of the words of the brave patriot Kent Brockman..."Just miles from your doorstep, hundreds of men are given weapons and trained to kill. The government calls it the Army, but a more alarmist name would be... The Killbot Factory."

Really, do we need to even pay attention to Ted Rall after his feeble attempt to rub Pat Tillman's name in the dirt?

Bart, your whole parent-hating/liberal theory just doesn't make sense to me. For that matter, nor does your parent-hating/homosexuality theory.

The ones who hate authority figures the most are libertarians. Liberals like authority figures, if the authorities are leftists. Look how they gush over Fidel Castro.

I wonder if Ted thinks this is funny?

And perhaps some jealousy; because a nasty little subhuman like him would probably enjoy such antics.

Kevin, I am only trying to understand them better. They're not evil, they just have a different perspective, that's all.

Heh.

By the way, a libertarian is a liberal (not a leftist) who hates his taxes being wasted on other people.

I can't even fake an intellectual reponse to Fuckin' Ted Rall.
If I ever encounter that Asshole, I will kick his Nards in and keep kicking him till someone pulls me off his ass.
I will then go to jail and take my punishment like a man. Yes, I know it's wrong, but I'd have to do it.

Ace,

Did you see the petition for an Able Danger public hearing?

Check it out here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/cgi-bin/mailpage.cgi?weldon/petition.html

J

Aw man, Bart, I don't think of us as being polar opposites, I like you, man. I really do.

Not in a gay-hate-my-dad way, but like a viking. A viking who is totally secure in the relationship he has with his father, even if that involved parent-child kissing and stuff. ;)

P.S. My use of "asshole" has increased dramatically because of you, Sortelli. I use it for everything.

That reminds me of this funny song called Asshole... it was great.

That reminds me of this funny song called Asshole... it was great.

Ah, but that was by Dennis Leary, recently relegated to the non-funny category by Bart.

Heh.

How's that fetish with girls with boyish figures going, geoff?

How's that fetish with girls with boyish figures going, geoff?

At least I didn't hate my parents.

Obviously I'm going to have problems with Rall's politics, but in all honesty can someone look at that strip and say it's "good"?

Lileks once called Rall "the guy who draws like he’s using a Sharpie stuck in his armpit".

I've always thought Ted Rall's cartoons looked like a bad imitation of Matt Groening's.

geoff wrote:
At least I didn't hate my parents.

See, Bart? Another hole in your theory.

Indeed.

See, Bart? Another hole in your theory.

So what does it mean if I hate Sandy? I think it means I'm a gawdamn sexual tyrannosaurus, but that's probably conservative.

geoff:
I think it means I'm a gawdamn sexual tyrannosaurus

Bart, on the other hand, is a sexual bronto. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Obviously geoff is taking out his anger issues on Sandy, but are really meant for the authority figure -- me.

Let it out, geoff.

but are really meant for the authority figure -- me.

Authority figure? You and Al Haig. But inasmuch as you're the authority on your Richard Simmons-approved psychosexual theory of deviancy, I'll just say this:

Here's a picture of Tubino.

(link excised by lauraw per geoff's wishes)

Tubino's prettier than I had imagined. Too bad her husband looks like such a dork.

It is a nice looking family, and that led me to naively give him another chance (until he called the military the 'fucking military' on another thread this very day, upon which I decided he was an irredeemable pr**k). Tubino sells vacuum tube-based audio equipment, hence the name.

I don't think I can comment on this without running afoul of the laws regarding making threats over the internet. 5 million sperm and that one was the fastest? I'm not sure which his existance disproves more, Survival of the Fittest or Intelligent Design...

He spawned!?

You sure tubby isn't this guy. Quite a handsome fella. So dashing and virile.

Rall is a spiteful, untalented crank and should be widely shunned, but of course he isn't. And I should be able to write him off as another one note hateful leftist, but of course I can't. Every time I hear that motherfucker's name I get this ball of tension in the back of my neck, and I send up one of my very rare prayers that he runs into either Pat Tillman's brother or me in an airport somewhere.

Bart wrote:
Rall's words are that of angry teenager who is stuck in the parent hating phase of his life, like Tubino.

lauraw responded:
Bart, the parent-hating thing is kind of a meme with you.
Just an observation.

While it may be Bart's obsession, in this case he's on the money:

(retarded filter prevents me from linking http://www.tedrall.com/inter02.htm, cut and paste it into address bar)

MRR: I want to ask about your childhood. Where did you get to be bitter?

T: That's an easy one. I was raised in Kettering, a lily white suburb of Dayton, Ohio. My father divorced my mother when I was 2 and hit the road, leaving us to totally starve. I had a very poor childhood, and even though my mom worked really hard and did her best, it was always a question as to where my next meal was coming from up until high school. I did a lot of odd jobs. That's where I picked up a real anger towards people who are irresponsible and just take off but then think it's OK and want your love. It's like how I look at rich people: it's not enough that they're stealing your money and having you live poor, but then they want you to admire and like them. Hey, I may not kill you, that's already a favor! Then, where I grew up everybody was so right wing, racist, homophobic, stupid, ignorant.

A "poor childhood" in a "lily white suburb." How in the hell does that mesh?

It's the fact that he drops a bunch of off-topic links which we're supposed to refute, and then if we go to the immense trouble to do so, ignores it and just does it again later.

Errrrr...hello? That's pretty much the definition of an internet "troll."

Seriously, I don't know why you guys waste time with that slimey little crapweasel. The first set of his links that I ever followed did not say what he claimed, so I've never made the attempt to engage him in debate. Why bother?

Starve him or mock him, but please don't give him the courtesy of your time. He isn't worth it. Besides, he's Canadian. He can't even vote in the US.

Canada. Plucky little country. I hear they have their own currency and system of government.

There was a female cartoonist who ripped Rall a new asshole with a 'toon about his daddy issues a few years back. I think it was not long after his "Terror Widows" garbage.

I loved it so much because Rall is such a misogynist pig, and he couldn't respond in his normal moonbat fashion to her without exposing his true self.

I'm trying to find that cartoon now. If anyone else gets to it before I do, please put up a link; I'd love to save it to my desktop to look at whenever Rall gets his panties in a bunch.

Canada. Plucky little country. I hear they have their own currency and system of government.

That is merely a rumor. Just because Drudge or Fox News says it doesn't make it so. Wait for Limbaugh and Rove to confirm it.

You sure tubby isn't this guy.

I've got the right guy.

Besides, he's Canadian.

I don't know what his nationality is, but he resides in Toledo, OH.

I just don't get that rall clucker. I mean, his crap is not funny, clever, or particularly intelligent on any level. It is on about the same level as spray painting BUSH SUCKS on a wall somewhere. There are several liberal weenie cartoonists, that at least manage to be somewhat clever. Rall is not even good at bush-bashing. At least that fat sack of whale shit Moore, can manage to generate a chuckle once in a blue moon. Ralls childish and painfully cliche humor is just a waist of ink, it really is not worth even considering.

How did anyone get a hold of turbino family photos?

I don't know what his nationality is, but he resides in Toledo, OH.

Really? How do you know this.

I'm sure he mentioned he was Canadian somewhere. Did he really move to this fascist, oppressive, flaw-ridden country from his universal healthcare utopia?

Back in August of 2000, Rall led a tour called the Silk Road Tour. My friends with way too much money decided to take it. I told them they were nuts because one of the countries it went through was Afghanistan. Why wd anyone take their wife into Afghanistan? Anyway, the tour was a disaster, no one could stand Rall, and half of the group went off on their own.

the troll

Fucking Reagan and
his Nicaraguan death squads!
I support the troops.

Really? How do you know this.

I got bored one night and commenced to googlin'. On several liberal web sites I found his comments where he referenced the Toledo Blade. The comments there were very consistent with what we see here. I then found liberal sites where he'd registered his real name and city along with the 'Tubino' pseudonym. It was corroborated with further searching, but I don't think I ought to publish any more than I have. It only took me 15 minutes on the web, though.

It's more evil versions of people like geoff who forced me into hiding. Cyberstalkers with bad intentions (not the troll bashing kind, the call your family at night and make Nazi-like remarks kind) can mess up your life.

It's more evil versions of people like geoff who forced me into hiding.

Yeah, this was meant as a point of interest, and should certainly not prompt anybody to use this information beyond entertainment purposes.

Eh. You're right, geoff. I found that page a while ago noodling around and dismissed it on account of that one was in the US, but now that I look further...

Yeah, Sue, I've had problems, too. Somehow -- go figure! -- I occasionally manage to piss off someone on the internet a real lot. That taught me both to be careful of my own identity trail, and to perform at least a perfunctory Google search on any aliases that I find interesting. I live in fear of the day (surely coming soon) that search engines will be able to correlate identity based on style and turn of phrase. Then it's into the bunker for this little mustelid!

Because of this primitive interface that doesn't allow me to post pictures, I'm forced to use text only to communicate my ideas.

Voice from TV: "We Republicans are sorry for calling Congressman John Murth a coward and Michael Moore clone."

"Dissent is patriotic, Murtha is an ex-Marine, and he's nothing like Michael Moore."

Man (middle-aged version of Shaggy from Scooby Doo?) clicks off his remote and says, "I said we should get out of Iraq two years ago."

Pink-haired unidentified woman says, "But you weren't dumb enough to go to 'Nam."

Trust me, it's lots funnier when I illustrate it.

Bonus tip for all those youngsters out there wanting to become famous comics: a check mark with half circles on top looks just like a nose and two eyes. If you want other great tips like this, just write Uncle Ted, and be sure to include a photo.

Geoff, that is so cool.

LOL

I didn't figure him for a grey hair.

Guys, re the tubino stuff...

...in my opinion, it is very uncool to "out" people like that. Even spastic shitbirds like Bean-O. It's up to Ace, but I'm deeply uncomfortable with this sort of thing. If he wishes to be anonymous, please let him be so.

Monty, I'm generally with you (seeing the wife and kids is a little spooky),

but to Sue's point, I don't post pictures of my family on the web, much less in a gallery called "Dave in Texas".

Monty, I understand your point. If the guy is intent upon pissing in my coffee and stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow, all I can think is what a naive tard he is. That being said, geoff, if you're vindictive enough to troll for info. on this guy, who knows what someone who Tubby's really pissed off might do. Probably better to keep it to yourself, though it was a nice little piece of detective work. Just my thoughts. They'll die of starvation in a minute or two.

If the guy is intent upon pissing in my coffee and stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow, all I can think is what a naive tard he is.

Didn't go any further than that in my own mind, but it would have been nice if the family weren't in the photo.

...in my opinion, it is very uncool to "out" people like that

I was torn, myself. If someone wants to pull it, that's fine by me. But all you're doing is eliminating a link to very public information.

It's pleasant to spend time with people who have consciences and a moral compass.

bunch of nerds.

It's pleasant to spend time with people who have consciences and a moral compass.

I always remember that speech Thomas More made to his son-in-law Roper in Robert Bolt's A Man For All Seasons:

ROPER: So now you'd give the devil the benefit of law?

MORE: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the devil?

ROPER: I'd cut down every tree in England to do that.

MORE: Oh, and when the last law was down and the devil turned on you where would you hide, Roper, all the laws being flat? This country is planted thick with laws from coast to coast, man's laws not God's, and if you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - do you really think that you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the devil the benefit of the law, for my own safety's sake.

I don't do this for Bean-O; I do it for myself.

Thanks for the heaping helping of guilt. Rat bastid.

Funny, I was reminded of Shakespeare's Queen Alexandria and Murray (a lesser known work),

Act IV, Scene 2

Queen Alexandria: What ho, Murray! What could it have been that we have seen? Is it not in our bones? Is it not in our marrow? Are we not, one and anon?

Murray: Whaaaat are you hollerin'? What are you hollerin'?

I don't do this for Bean-O; I do it for myself.

I don't think he's attempting to preserve his anonymity - his life and his pseudonym are linked all over the web. Further: if I did a search and and found and linked to his nascent web page (which actually exists), would that be all right? How is that different from linking to an online, public domain photo gallery?

...and people are making it sound like I did some serious sleuthing. Here's what I did to get the initial hits: 1) go to Google, type in "tubino," 2) go ah crap, all these hits are in italian, 3) type in "tubino us" in the vague hope of getting rid of Italian sites, and 4) marvel that it worked. That's all it took.

people who have consciences

I included you in that group geoff, based on past experience that you are a decent guy, the admittedly wide open trail of breadcrumbs tubino left laying around including a very irresponsible decision to expose his family, and your comment about having been torn with the decision, a comment I accept at face value. I don't consider it outing, my only response is really just a general unease about seeing his wife and kids. I put that on him, not you.

Yeah, geoff. What Dave said. Vindictive was a word I hesitated to use, but I don't have Monty's vocabulary and I am too lazy to use a synonym finder. How about "interested" instead.

geoff:

Here's my point: to what end are you doing this? To what purpose? How does it help or hinder me to know the particulars of Bean-O's life? What I know of him is what he writes; and that is all I care to know.

I use my real name here because I am among friends, and I believe in putting my own name to what I write. But if I choose not to go into more detail, that is my (deliberate!) choice. Now, there may be details of me floating around there in the Internet; but the Internet is like a vast tarpit that swallows everything and disgorges nothing. Just because finding those details is easy doesn't make it right.

This kind of thing strikes me as a power-play: "Aha! I know your real name! I know where you live!" Given the nature of many whackos out there, that information alone is enough to alarm most people. I know (or at least believe) that's not your intention, geoff, but if not, then who perform the exercise at all?

Free will and free exercise of will is a precious thing. If Bean-O does not choose to share details of his life with us, please respect that choice. I'd expect the same, and I think most posters here would as well.

I speak as a friend.

Yeah, it's the wife and kids aspect that make me uncomfortable. Nice looking family, though, which he hardly deserves in my opinion.

Here's my point: to what end are you doing this?

I posted the link as an amusing/interesting tidbit during a late night interchange with Bart and Sue Dohnim. But my amusement pales beside your discomfort, so I'll officially ask:

LauraW, is it possible to excise the comment thread from my link forward? Or at least vaporize the link?

geoff:

I don't want you to think that I'm angry or anything. I know you were just larking around, and no ill intent was intended. But remember that the Internet has a long memory, and someone else trolling for this information may not have such a benign intent as you.

Group hug!

I don't want you to think that I'm angry or anything.

I'd just as soon meet the most stringent moral guidelines, which you are currently defining. I think it's legit to data mine and post the results on any topic or anybody, but if you don't, I'm perfectly willing to abide by your standards. Now if only someone can undo what I have wrought, we can lay this to rest. LauraW?

If someone posted all over the internet using his true name or an identifiable moniker associated with multiple photos, I see no problem linking to their photo and their photo alone.

I think it's legit . . .

While I believe that stance intellectually, I share the creepy feeling expressed by others, so I'd just as soon get past this.

ah, come on Tubino isn't that bad...nic pics, too.

Got it, hope its OK with Ace.

Thanks, Laura

Once was in Indonesia with a Northern Irish man and his Belgian friend who had been visiting with, ahem, trannies. Irish guy wishes to show naughty pictures involving Belgian with Tranny..."It's not like your small or anything..."

Same with Tubino...he looks good, healthy, smart, it doesn't detract from his arguments in any way.

I'd just as soon meet the most stringent moral guidelines, which you are currently defining.

Ah...would you be willing to repeat that under oath to my ex-wife's divorce lawyer?

What's that smile all about? Did CNN report the deaths of a few more of our soldiers?

Seriously, who gives a fuck about this guy? Just another lying leftist coward.

Fuck him. Stop talking about him. Someone tell a dick joke or something.

So, how bout that Ted Rall, huh? What a dick.

Speaking of Bean-o, christ I could use some 'o that right now cuz I got the winds somethin' fierce. I would light a candle but my office is rather small and not especially well ventilated. Ah, what the hell, here goes noth

but to Sue's point, I don't post pictures of my family on the web, much less in a gallery called "Dave in Texas".

No, but you DO allow yourself to be pictured with your "crap tree" on what was a top 30 blog... (Yeah, I'm STILL jealous of you getting to guest blog on Michele's site and not me)

I don't waste a lot of time worrying when stupid has consequences. You don't antagonize people AND publish family portraits under an unusual name. I did the same search geoff did with the same results a month ago when I lost my wager. So that's two, acting independently.

I'm special.

Hey Dave, Nice Crap Tree post!

Someone tell a dick joke or something.

But please, not the one about Ace's mom giving Ace's dad the reach-around. Because contrary to the expression "it's funny because it's true", it's usually not funny if it's true.

Say Lipstick, did Dad and Boyfriend ever agree on how many goats were necessary to close the deal?

Thanks Lipstick. The Crap Tree goes back up this week. It's Christmas magic!

Geez Lipstick, don't encourage him! BTW, Dave, I petitioned the "Non-blogger Commenters Commission" to have you stricken from the roles based on the post, but you got lucky... On a 5-4 decision they said that one guest post doesn't ruin your amateur status.

On a 5-4 decision they said that one guest post doesn't ruin your amateur status.

uh-oh

I think I would get a pass on this though, technically it's Frank J's post.

I think the obvious question here is whether it is more alarming that Rall produces sick drawings or the degree to which society finds them interesting.

This is essentially the work of a little boy who was encouraged rather than counselled when it was discovered that he liked to draw crayon pictures of himself disemboweling and cannibalizing other children - he is a "grown up" now, and has found people who will pay for his crayon renditions of his mental vomit, but otherwise it's the same little boy scribbling away with a twitching eye and snaggle toothed grin.

Bastard! You got invited to the wedding too, I bet!

Bastard! You got invited to the wedding too, I bet!

funny you should mention that...

but I don't think that necessarily makes me special. hell, if you took them out to dinner, I bet they'd invite you too.

What with all the judgement?
Geoff did nothing wrong by posting a link to a web page with photos.

We're not the shitpiles from Kos or the DU. We're not to poke fun at someone's family because we disagree with their politics. We don't roll like that.

I saw the web page. I looked at the photos. No big deal. IF it's really Tubino and his family, good for him. Cute kids.

But I still think Tubino is a piece of shit and can go fuck himself. He hasn't impressed me as a stand-up guy. He's the worst kind of leftist and a fucked up liberal. Tubino is the type who Hates the conservatives and holds us in contempt. He's an arrogant snob.

Tubino has shown he is Internet savvy. The man knows his way around the Web. I'm not totally convinced that anything is authentic about the web page. Tubino is a liar, remember? Tubino spends a lot of time on the Internet gathering information, remember? Random pics are easy to procure on the Net. Anybody can make a web page.

Makes no difference to me if Tubino has three wives and eighteen children and living in Timbuktu. I'm judging Tubino by his own words, nothing else.

P.S. See that, Lauraw? I was right about Ted Rall's abandonment issues. Heh!
Thanks to Sue.

Its not like you're trying to crush his credit rating or steal his identity. And nobody forced him to put his stuff out on the web. He wants you to see it.

Now who is more disgusting: Rall, O-Chub, Moore, (insert name here) ?

TED RALL his cartoons are as putrid as BOONDOCKS and DUNESBURY just the usial leftist crap

Geoff did nothing wrong ...

Maybe not wrong, but I've come to believe that it was rude, and for that I apologize.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not comfortable with the argument, "If he didn't want personal information publicized he should have guarded it better." He didn't volunteer the info around here. Geoff did the honorable thing by retracting it.

Ugh. Submissive urination.

Ugh. Submissive urination.

Geoff, Maybe you and Utron could cuddle now.

(Just kidding, man. You did nothing wrong IMHO, but your apology for rudeness is a class move.)

Ugh. Submissive urination.

If you like. I spent the morning and part of the afternoon trying to decide if I'd overstepped some ethical bounds. My position may continue to evolve, but right now it seems that publishing the link without permission was at the least rude, and was objectionable to some of the regulars here.

I think I'll always choose to submit to the most rigorous ethical standards, so I'm sorry if I've disappointed, but I don't see this as an issue of commenters' rights.

Who said Tubino didn't want people to see his webpage?

It's on the World Wide Web for the whole fucking world to see (except the peeps at AoS)?

Bullsheet.
Geoff, really, son, no harm no foul.
If Tubino wants to keep his private life private, keep it off the Internet.

You guys are acting like we TP'd his house or something. Don't make me formulate a theory on why y'all feel guilty. I swear I'll do it, and it won't be pretty.

I don't consider it outing, my only response is really just a general unease about seeing his wife and kids. I put that on him, not you.

emphasis mine

mine mine? how do you do that when you're quoting yourself?

ATTENTION AOSHQ COMMENTERS. THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE AOSHQ COMMENT QUALITY CONTROL DEPARTMENT

We wish to inform you that the ethical ramifications of Geoff's post have now been thoroughly explored. This topic is now Officially Fucking Dead.

Let's move on.

As a further public service, the AOSHQ Comment Quality Control Department wishes to inform you that Brewfan, Slublog, Michael and Dave in Texas have been exchanging emails and have formed the Crap Tree Appreciation Society, which is dedicated to the annual Christmas veneration and admiration of the Crap Tree in the den at Dave in Texas' house.

Dave is currently scheduled to decorate the Crap Tree on Thursday. If you wish to receive pictures of this year's Crap Tree for purposes of veneration and admiration, you may appeal to Dave in Texas for membership in the Crap Tree Appreciation Society and inclusion on his distribution list.

The Crap Tree Appreciation Society is a prestigious AOSHQ affiliated organization, so please do not expect that just anyone will be admitted.

It is not, however, as prestigious as another AOSHQ affiliate, the Banned By Bill Association, which requires that you must have actually made smoke come out of Bill Ardolino's ears in order to achieve membership (well, it's actually not that hard). But that's another subject.

This has been a Public Service Announcement from the AOSHQ Comment Quality Control Department.

We wish to inform you that the ethical ramifications of Geoff's post have now been thoroughly explored.

That's a relief. Now I can link to those pictures of the AoSHQ Comment Quality Control Department in its Batman suit.

bbeck will automatically be granted membership upon request, of course.

I humbly request Crap Tree membership. Please consider my application, even though I have no bbeckian photos to post. (Cause no one could out-do those.)

ANOTHER PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

That's a relief. Now I can link to those pictures of the AoSHQ Comment Quality Control Department in its Batman suit.

See, Geoff, you reeeeally don't want to do that. Cuz, the Batman suit in question was basically just some black pantyhose from the waist down (along with some ankle-thingies that were supposed to make your shoes look like boots). And the generic one-size-fits-all Batman suit was actually way too small for Michael, who is 6'4" and weighs 205 lbs. So, well, the suit was really really tight on Michael. The overall effect approaches the Painted Spiderman Testicles, if you get my drift.

Michael was not sober when he put that suit on. Dude, cut him some slack.

You do not want to subject the AOSHQ Comment Community to that picture.

This has been a public service announcement of the AOSHQ Comment Quality Control Department.

Keep it up with the Crap Tree crap and I'll re-hash the Tubino family argument.

Bart, you are so full of anger! Were you ever jealous of the attention your mother paid to your father? Do you have Democratic tendencies and struggle with hiding them from society? I'm sensing there may be some issues here that need exploring...

ANOTHER PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Bart is ineligible for the Crap Tree Association, a prestigious AOSHQ Affiliate Organization™.

The Crap Tree Association does not accept applications from individuals who are vindictive or petty, even towards dickwads like tubino. Such individuals are incapable of properly venerating and admiring the Crap Tree.

This has been a public service announcement of the AOSHQ Comment Quality Control Department.

I'm not angry, nor petty, nor vindictive.

So you can stick your Crap Tree up your asses.

Hey, AoSHQCQCD! Has anybody ever told you that you are not, in fact, particularly funny? This leads me to believe that you are not, in fact, a member of the AoSHQ staff who are, in fact, pretty fucking funny, as a rule.

Ahhh...A flame war, in fact, may be in the making!

Dave.

What's a crap tree.

I needs ta know.

Laura, Google "crap tree" and Dave in Texas.

It's all there.

Dang, now I want a crap tree--it will be decorated with wine corks and plane ticket stubs...

The story

The Crap Tree, circa 2004

and here

and here

and finally, here

Lipstick, you are on the distribution list. Along with the other 4 goobers.

I can't believe Cindy Sheehan gets more attention than this.

Thank you Dave!

Ohhhhh, I like the Crap Tree! 22 years worth of memories, and your wife would rather look at something that anyone can see in a Macy's. That's kind of sad, in a way. I like nice, too, but tradition and memories are important. They make up so much of what we are, especially as families.

Dave:

So, that's the crap tree, eh? Fine bit of collected nostalgia at work.

Side note - the kitchen shot looked so familiar I feel like I've been in "that" kitchen before.

Trendmaker Home?

Sue, she really likes the crap tree, for all the sentimental stuff,

but it ain't goin in the nice room.

Patton, beats me. It's the white one with the Camaro out front.

Ah, now I see. The nice room. Is the furniture in it encased in clear vinyl? ;)

noooo. dust would not dare settle there.

maybe ignorant dust, that doesn't know who it's fooling with.