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November 29, 2005

Another Lefty Busted Lying About Military Service

This is pretty good.

I've been following Tex at Whacking Day's fun and games with a Green Party candidate in Australia.
The candidacy is over, but the fun continues.

Thom said he was drafted into the RAAF, yet elsewhere claimed he volunteered. Thom has not provided any details of when he served in the RAAF, not to mention the fact that nobody was drafted into the RAAF.

When asked - repeatedly - to clarify wether he volunteered or was drafted into the RAAF, Thom again refused to provide details, and raged at me that I was mentally imbalanced and "a danger to the community".

According to Tex, this fellow also has claimed to have been in the USAF and to have worked at Los Alamos.

Tex is a hoot. Well worth going back in his archives to find more quotes from the esteemed Thom Lyons of the Australian Greens.

Once again; those who are utterly antagonistic to the military take some perverse pleasure in pretending to have served. I don't think its all about getting creds. Part of it is pure fantasy fuel.


posted by LauraW. at 01:12 PM
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The weird thing is not how many lefties lie about military service (the propensity toward fabricating a military past is probably independent of political background) - the weird thing is how liberals flock to these guys and embrace them. Finding people with military service is ho-hum on conservative blogs, because it's not that uncommon. Being former military gives you little cachet on the right, but on the left it is a cause celebre.

Posted by: geoff on November 29, 2005 01:27 PM

For the record I'm a lifelong Republican who has attained the rank of Admiral in the army and I do not support this president who was selected not elected.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy on November 29, 2005 01:48 PM

the weird thing is how liberals flock to these guys and embrace them

Not really. It's entirely within character for the average Leftist once you understand their attitudes towards "victim groups". A military or ex-military person who then turns on the military (in other words, becomes an apostate) thus becomes a member of a victim-group and thus deserving of sympathy. All this is automatic -- the actual person does not matter. (Remember, the Left is concerned with groups and sets, not individual persons.)

But it is this automatic association with victims, out-groups, and minorities that leaves the Left open to exactly these kinds of problems. It is fatally easy to lie to them; they will believe any outlandish tale as long as it fits the "narrative".

Posted by: Monty on November 29, 2005 01:57 PM

Isn't it simply that those who have "served" (at least in the minds of those listening) have more credibility when it comes to criticizing the military?

I'm sure that's the only reason this Thom guy said he'd served in all these elite units or whatever....aside from being totally and completely insane.

Posted by: Feisty on November 29, 2005 02:12 PM

I think that's part of it - they (wrongly) believe it gives them a pass when they criticize foreign policy or the war. I respect and appreciate Paul Hackett's service in Iraq, but I think he's wrong on the war.

With a politician though, I think it's also a case of "padding the resume" to appeal to a larger part of the electorate.

And incredibly stupid too, because it's so easily checked, and when it backfires on you, it has a very negative effect on your appeal. "Vote for me. I'm a liar".

Posted by: Dave in Texas on November 29, 2005 02:36 PM

I think the apostate narrative arc explains much of the appeal. Also, it allows the moonbats to scream, “”How dare you question his/her/our patriotism!?!” all the more shrilly.

Even better, vets’ credibility for attacking the military is beyond dispute. Career military people are just violent flatheads who weren’t smart enough to get a job in the real world (i.e., academia), so their comments on military funding and deployment can be pretty much ignored. But people who were brave enough to serve and yet still share the left’s basic distaste for the military—people like that are golden. They’re so valuable that, if you can’t find some, you might be tempted to make them up.

Posted by: utron on November 29, 2005 02:56 PM

I don't think its all about credibility. Certainly that's where it starts.

But then they start developing stories about where they went and what they did.

"I was in the shit, man. VIETNAM."

I think there's a little ego-bolstering going on too. In their pants.

Posted by: lauraw on November 29, 2005 02:59 PM

Isn't it simply that those who have "served" (at least in the minds of those listening) have more credibility when it comes to criticizing the military?

Well, sure. But I kind of agree with Lauraw here - there is a huge element of Walter Mittyism in these stories. "Leftist" when it's said and done is just shorthand for effete timidity pretending to importance.

Posted by: Rocketeer67 on November 29, 2005 03:01 PM

But then they start developing stories about where they went and what they did.

You know, back when I was running guns in Guatemala for the CIA, I knew a guy named Osvaldo Gomez y Aguilar who was like that. He was always making shit up. It drove me crazy. Which is why the CIA made me retire to Minnesota and pretend to be a regular citizen.

Posted by: Monty on November 29, 2005 03:19 PM

A military or ex-military person who then turns on the military (in other words, becomes an apostate) thus becomes a member of a victim-group and thus deserving of sympathy.

Since Bart hasn't weighed in yet, I'll say it. Aren't such people turning against the stern authority figures who had been taking care of them? And bringing them shame in the process?

Instant simpatico.

Posted by: VRWC Agent on November 29, 2005 03:23 PM

I'm absolutely stunned at the number of highly placed lefties who simply make shit up about their lives. Bill Clinton's life membership in the NRA, or watching black churches burn when he was a kid. Al Gore clearing the land with a double-headed axe, to name but one (yo! Al! Even in Carthage, TN, they got chainsaws). Kerry's seared, seared memories of Christmas in Cambodia. It goes on and on. This kind of thing is beyond creepy; it's a sign of major mental illness.

But I think this military thing is something else. Lefties believe in credentials: degrees, awards, accolades, resumes. Also in anecdote. They substitute these for cohesive argument. Watch their faces; they truly don't understand how an army-loving righty can disagree with someone who's been in the army. Because, you know, he was in the army. So he knows, see?

Posted by: S. Weasel on November 29, 2005 07:28 PM

ANOTHER LIAR WITH FAKE MILITARY SERVICE WHAT NEXT WILL THEY TRY?

Posted by: spurwing plover on December 1, 2005 05:07 PM

Compared to ZERO YEARS John Howard and ZERO YEARS Tony Blair and CHAMPAGNE DUTY George Walker Bush...

Yeah, you "conservatives" are in like Flynn.

I at least joined the US Marine Corps.

Posted by: JS Narins on December 4, 2005 08:55 PM
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