Yup. Nine nights of rioting. The organized nature of this mayhem is the most troubling aspect.
What's keeping France from taking action? I don't understand how they could be allowing this to happen.
Sharpshooters, helicopters...kill just a couple of these guys. It will all be over in a hurry.

Chirac should swing for this.

The french are trying the lefty approach - "how much money will it tkae you get you muslims to stop?"

Of course, they ignore why the muslims are rioting... they claim it is poverty but many of these muslims are middle-class and even the "poor" are far wealthier than they ever were in their former countries.

When the muslims demanded a separate Islamic-controlled French territory for themselves, the media and France generally ignored it.

I feel sorry for France; they are in the middle of Islamification. This could go either way - hard crack down after the liberal pieties don't work, or typical French strategy: surrender.

The woman, in her 50s and on crutches, was doused with an inflammable liquid and set afire after passengers were forced to leave the bus, blocked by burning objects on the road, judicial officials said.
Gee, all because of unemployment. Whoda thunk?

I don't know how much of this is the Muslim thing, or just a sad comment on the failures of multi-culti, but it sure is telling.

Has everyone forgotten France doesn't have any military stuff. They had to rent helicopters to rescue some of their guys in Iraq!

I hope we stay completely out of it. I don’t want to pull any more French chestnuts out of the fire.

Marshal law. Ifyou are outside at night past curfew, you are shot. If you are out side during the day and do not halt and present your papers, you are shot. Anyone who is illegal is shipped to country of origin immediately. Unfortunately, I thought most of these asshats are citizens.

Its martial law.
Don't make a maniac outta me.

I wonder how many of the cars they are destroying belong to muslims. In fact, when all is said and done, I wonder who will suffer the most from this -- the french or the muslims. Smart.

It's not who will suffer the most - it's who will benefit the most.

These are coordinated attacks. This is nothing more than a temporary sustained campaign to force the French government to make Islamic concessions.

This is how Islamification works.

The demands will include insertion of sharia law into French society so that killings become legal. The French will concede in the spirit of "peace at any price."

Wait and see. This is what islamification is all about. France will become islamic without a fight.

I don't know how much of this is the Muslim thing, or just a sad comment on the failures of multi-culti, but it sure is telling.

How are the two separate?

I spent an hour or this moring catching up on Mark Steyn's site. In some old eulogies to Reagan, he comes back repeatedly to Dutch's inaugural line, "We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." It's a classic distillation of the position we small government conservatives hold and classic Reagan.

France, of course, leans more to the other way around where almost every act of the country's hoi polloi is regulated and licensed. That they actually have a "Minister of Social Cohesion" pretty much sums up the perceived relationship between the government and its people.

This latest is a failure of the French government and similar Euro states are facing similar attacks. IMHO they do not have the tools or the self-confidence to resist successfully. But unless the fundamentals have changed since the last time I was there (a couple decades ago), the French people tend to be a cut above their elected corruptocrats. They always have been, whatever their faults.

Since the Revolution, France has gone through something like 5 governments. This one is a failure and under irresistable attack regardless of how this particular skirmish turns out. In the end, I suspect the French people will end up dealing with matters directly and, along the way, installing government number 6.

Let the Islamofascists burn down France. The loss of the present regime is nothing to regret. In the end, it will be the French people who will have to decide whether they want to survive and whether they want to abandon their elitist fairy tales to do it. It's time they decided whether they want to be grown ups in the world at long last. I have a hard time picturing even the French prefering death to leaving their highchairs.

Reason #437 for why I'm in the Fuck 'Em camp.

The supression of the Paris Commune in 1871 might be a model for what the Government ought to do now. It really is time to break out the firearms and shoot the rioters to supress anarchy. If the Frogs don't, this is just a portent of things to come over there.

Redhand, I don't think the government has the guts for the kind of ruthless response this calls for -- and even if they did, it isn't going to make a long term difference. It's already a portent.

Actually, it is "Marshall Law". There's this guy, Bob Marshall, who is a Law for Hire. The French will have to pay his fee, which is a wad of bills and a bottle of rye whiskey, and Bob "The Law" Marshall will enter the country, kick some ass, smoke some cigarettes he rolled himself, and then there will be Marshall Law.

It's just a fact.

My correction stands corrected.

Marshall law, eh?
We sure could use a feller like that from time to time.

I took care of these asshats once, just for this to happen? Pathetic

They seem to be rioting in Denmark as well. I wonder if this will spread to any other European countries? The whole Union has been taking in North African Muslims for years to off set their aging populations.

Looks like a quagmire. Better call the UN. I'm sure that after a few months of meetings to shcedule hearings and hearings to schedule meetings, they would be able to draft a sharply worded toothless resolution.

I'm guessing Belgium and the Netherlands would follow Denmark. Britain and Germany are ripening but don't seem to be quite ready yet.

Too bad for them none of those countries has a 2nd Amendment.

I for one would like to hear from Mr. Tubino. Tell me, Tubby, what should France do? Should we send Joe Wilson, the expert on all things African under the Clinton administration to tell us what troubles these African yutes? Is the occupation of France by the French breeding terroritst?

Don't pretend your not out there reading this thread. The French are following the policy you wanted us to follow. How you like me now?

Is it too soon to rename France, Furnace?

"Since the Revolution, France has gone through something like 5 governments."

Actually, the French have had five _Republics_ since the revolution. If you add up all the monarchies, directories, dictatorships and collaborationist puppet regiemes, etc I think you end up with over 20 'governments' since the beginning of the 18th century. We have had exactly 1 since the foundation of our country. (The American Revolution - the only one that worked!)

The French change their governments more often than they change their underwear.

A GRIM MILESTONE APPROACHES!!!

Very soon, a grim milestone of 2,000 burned cars will be reached in Paris.
HOW LONG MUST WE SEE THIS SENSELESS SLAUGHTER?!

CHIRAC LIED, PEUGEOTS FRIED!!!

FRENCH OUT OF PARIS!!

Good one Cindy!

I thought the Netherlands initial response to the Van Gogh murders and threats against their elected officials was to bend over but then they got tough. Is that incorrect?

Now when are we gonna wise up, lay siege to our local French embassy and demands concessions (IE: shitloads of cash) from the Frogs?

So tough it looks like they are beginning a policy of pre-emption. From today's Jerusalem Post:

***

A Dutch terrorism suspect arrested in October allegedly hoped to shoot down an El-Al airliner at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, a Netherlands television program reported Friday, citing police and secret service documents.

Samir Azzouz, 19, was one of seven suspects arrested in four Dutch cities on Oct. 14 on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack.

I had a Bush-hating, (America-hating) moonbat tell me yesterday that this whole thing is the USA's fault, for, "what we have done," in Iraq and Guantanamo and Afghanistan. Seems he forgot that France refused to help us out with Iraq. Not too many cards in the guy's deck, I'm afraid.

It's getting to a point where there is literally nothing that they don't (try to) blame Bush for.

Regarding these rioters: SHOOT THEM. And, NO, not with rubber bullets. Problem solved.

Where's Ace? Running the NYC Marathon?

This propaganda is what people around the world are, "swallowing," about our country:

The Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime

Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.

Your government is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

Your government puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.

Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

Your government suppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious, political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.

Your government is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to birth control and abortion.

Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.

worldcantwait.net/

My moonbat presented this propaganda piece as if it's established, FACT.

Scary, isn't it??

Ooops! Sorry, that last post was moi.

but then they got tough.

If getting tough means saying citizens have to show their ID's to the cops when asked, then I suppose they did. That strikes me as "New York Times tough," not the real thing. The Dutch have always prided themselves on their tolerance. For all the handwringing, I haven't seen them do much and I don't think they are culturally equipped to do much.

Germany and Britain seem to have a better shot at resistance mainly because they have native savages (soccer hooligans, neo-Nazis, etc.) who are fairly antipathetic to the muslim savages. Let order break down in those countries, I expect the violence will not be one sided at all. The Netherlands has also had some of this but the Dutch savages seem like a much less significant force.

That was I.

Seems he forgot that France refused to help us out with Iraq.

Derbyshire excerpts an interesting email on how that played with at least some muslims at 12:03.

Man, I love the smell of Palme D'Or in the morning...

Loose shit on the tags. It was on the Corner.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/

What? The French are perceived as, "WEAK?!"

Sacre bleu!

Go to Zombie time for a great photo essay on the recent, worldcantwait, 'peace' rally held in SF.

world_cant_wait_sf_11-2-2005/

linky-thingy-no-worky.

The above is the suffix for the zombie time essay.

Has anybody made a tasteless Flambé joke yet?

Obviously more of a German thing than a French one, but has anybody else read this Spiegel interview with Rummy? Comical as they are, the last few lines distill the the Euros' problems.

Hmmm. That's 2 link problems now. Anyway, after a fairly polite clash of views with my favorite unilateralist, the interview concludes:

SPIEGEL: How concerned are you about Iran?

Rumsfeld: All of us have to be concerned when a country that important, large and wealthy is disconnected from the normal interactions with the rest of the world. They obviously have certain ambitions, powers and military capabilities ...

SPIEGEL: ...and nuclear ambitions...

Rumsfeld: That's apparently what France, Germany, the UK and the International Atomic Energy Agency have concluded. Everyone wants to have the Iranians as part of the world community, but they aren't yet. Therefore there's less predictability and more danger.

SPIEGEL: The US is trying to make the case in the United Nations Security Council.

Rumsfeld: I would not say that. I thought France, Germany and the UK were working on that problem.

SPIEGEL: What kind of sanctions are we talking about?
Rumsfeld: I'm not talking about sanctions. I thought you, and the U.K. and France were.

SPIEGEL: You aren't?

Rumsfeld: I'm not talking about sanctions. You've got the lead. Well, lead!

SPIEGEL: You mean the Europeans.

Rumsfeld: Sure. My Goodness, Iran is your neighbour. We don't have to do everything!

SPIEGEL: We are in the middle of regime change in Germany...

Rumsfeld: ... that's hardly the phrase I would have selected.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Secretary, thank you very much for this interview.

Yeah, asswipes. Exactly how are things going with the strategy you wanted us to use in Iraq? Just askin'.

Unserious people dealing with serious matters. France is just the first to start burning.

Britain and Germany are ripening but don't seem to be quite ready yet.

Don't be so sure, VRWC. I spend a lot of time in the UK. If the BBC doesn't like facts, it ignores them or underreports them and -- voilà -- they never happened. Stupid state-run media. There were quite serious riots for several days in Manchester earlier this year that were essentially brushed aside. And leave us not forget the subway bombings. They didn't come out of nowhere.

The UK's problem is somewhat different, though. Due to relaxed standards, they became the destination of choice for 'refugees' of all stripes. So it's a multi-culti thing, but not exclusively an Islamic one. The Manchester riots were between persons of color and persons of Islam, if I understand correctly. Then there's Jamaican drug gangs. And Africans who have brought with them some of their more colorful religious practices. Oh, and various criminal East European gangs, as well. Also, Britain doesn't like to lock people up for the first dozen or so offenses, so there are plenty of home-grown chavs and hooligans to contend with.

It's more a general lawlessness than Islamifaction. It's damned scary to live with in a country that won't let you defend yourself, though.

"they claim it is poverty but many of these muslims are middle-class"

Uh-uh. I've been to one of these "suburbs" - they make West Oakland look like Grosse Pointe.

Islam is a necessary but not sufficient cause, is what I'm saying - otherwise there'd be intifada in Dearbon, MI.

"We have had exactly 1 since the foundation of our country."

Well, 2. Though the other one lasted less than 5 years.

Actually, three, if you count the original Confederation, as well as the Southern Confederacy.

Marshall Law.
I'm a hero hunter.
Haven't found any yet.

Nope. Don't misdirect my comment. Many are middle class. The fact that it started in a slum makes no difference to the content of the mobs.

These muslims are racing around in cars, on cell phones, coordinating their avtivities. Many are described as French-born children of immigrants who happen to own stores and have jobs.

Many of these that we'rent born in France came from slums far worse than the worst in France. Plus, the French welfare subsidy benefits make them wealthy compared to their former home countries.

Instead of comparing their slums to American poor areas, let's keep the perspective where it belongs and is pertinent.

Comparing anything European to American is folly, anyway. We're completely different in culture and accustomed living styles.

Where are the rioting Asian slum-dwellers? (.... crickets.....)

And here's the tenth evening of riots, spreading now to inside Paris proper.
Its infuriating. I don't know how the French are putting up with it.

Anybody know of any good French blogs that have an English version?

Shoot, lauraw! I was going to say the Dissident Frogman, but it doesn't look like he's updated in nine months :(

I just checked out No Pasaran, lots of good links and outrage there.

Bet the French are glad that their more draconian gun control efforts didn't pass:

France and Germany aren't far behind at 30 guns per 100 population. France has more legal handguns than Denmark, Great Britain, the Czech Republic and Poland combined.

[from CNS News, 7/3/03]

And here's the tenth evening of riots, spreading now to inside Paris proper. Its infuriating. I don't know how the French are putting up with it

Tradition?

They may not have handguns, but they still have rifles over there, don't they? And if all else fails, there is still gasoline, bottles, and rags. The rioters shouldn't be the only ones throwing molotov cocktails.

France has more legal handguns than Denmark, Great Britain, the Czech Republic and Poland combined.

I would suggest the citizens of France start using them.

Where's Ace? I miss him. He's starting to act more and more like he has a private life.

Well, they needed the Muslims to stock their workforce, because of the dwindling European birth rate (not that these particular Muslims seem to be doing much work, but that's beside the point). That demographic problem will take time to correct. So if it's a question of deporting Muslims, I recommend that the French deport all the adults and seize the children; they can be classified as wards of the state, and work in indentured servitude - eventually they can become free citizens, but they'll have to work for it. What the heck, Islam and slavery go together anyway, so this can just be considered an enrichment of French culture. Since the whole point of importing the animals was to put them to work, the French might as well admit the truth and reintroduce slavery. And the guarantee of losing their children might just possibly act as a brake on the demented adults, though considering the size of the litters each she-Muslim can produce, I would imagine that they might consider a good number of them disposable.

What are the chances this sparks more riots across Europe, namely Holland

It would be ironic if Europe suffers a full, bloody confrontation with their Muslim inhabitants. Then it would be undeniable to give Bush credit for his policy of fighting them over there instead of here.

If the Euro-peons finally get fed up with the Muslim radicals and trouble-makers in their respective countries an shed their faux multicultural/tolerant attitudes, it could spell certain victory for the worldwide war on terror.

I'm not saying the cocksucking Europeons will ever be on board with America. But they will be less inclined to oppose us at every turn and support the Islamofascists just for spite.

Without international support, the radical Islam machine is nothing. The UN cannot continue to coddle and apologize for radicals who not only openly desire the destruction of the Infidels, but actually carry out attacks on their enemies.

France is pussyfooting around because any force to stop the thugs will fuel more riots and could possibly spread throughout Europe. On the other hand, doing nothing is only emboldening the riotous bastards.

I can't see this simply going away. France has three options. They can use force to stop them. They can do nothing and hope the rioters peeter out. Or, they can negotiate with the rioters and risk causing resentment amongst it's citizen. If they choose the last option, the best case scenario is the ousting of the present government officials at the next election. The worst case scenario is the rest of Europe witnessing the acquiescence of France to the Islamic radicals and a revolt is in order to save their own countries, (or they will cowarldy go the way of France). Bottom line: They are fucked.

This shake-up is good because it exposes the cancer on the world that is known as The Religion of Peace.

The rioters shouldn't be the only ones throwing molotov cocktails.

I think I may have mentioned this on the Dalrymple thread. He noticed that the only people who put themselves on the line by objecting to a some looters he saw were 3 elderly people. Why?

As I see it, one of the more insideous effects of the welfare state is that acts of good character are delegated to the state. It's "good" subjects just make the acceptable noises and vote the acceptable line. Personal virtue gets dumbed down to just preening. Give that a few generations and I don't think you have many people who are ready to man the barracades. Plenty who will smugly bitch that the government hasn't manned the barracades for them, though.

If things work the way I suspect, the resistance is in the countryside among the despised ignorati. Paris is just going to have to burn for a while.

VRWC, would that there were brigades of men from the vineyards and cow pastures of France marching to defend Paris!
But of course I sincerely doubt it.

(that would remind me of 9/11 when farmhands from Kansas drove nonstop in their beaters to get to Ground Zero and lend a hand)

France is pussyfooting around because any force to stop the thugs will fuel more riots

*right hand raised* Anybody else sick of this attitude?

Bart, you often post great comments, and I respect you.
But when has a can of Raid incited cockroaches to riot?

A certain level of force will incite the rioters, and has on a nightly basis in this conflict.
But beyond that ineffective level of force, we have deadly force.
Which has a way of refocusing the minds of the survivors.

Their still a bunch of uncivilized savages absolutly no sign of ever being civilized time to bring all the people underground and use mustard gas on the dirty muselum hoods or break ou the guillotine and start lopping off heads

-Anybody ever notice that spurwing never answers comments?

Because I'd sure like to ask him/her some shit.

would that there were brigades of men from the vineyards and cow pastures of France marching to defend Paris!

Laura, I think we all love you (which has been a bit of a lead rod in the nuclear pile of the flame thread, to be honest), but at this point, what on earth is in it for those rurals? Their dialect is actually illegal for public dissemination and their livlihoods are regulated to death, first by the posers in Paris and now, increasingly, by an even more distant commissariat in Brussels. Their attitudes (assuming my assumptions are right) would be despised as the droolings of cretins. Openly.

If the colors of Benneton started torching multi-culti SF from within, I would be less inclined drive thousands of miles to preserve the city than to lend a hand in replacing it after the fact. (Given CA's alternate-reality point of view, any resistance at that point would presumably be subject to licensing and a bag limit, but we all make the concessions we must.)

But this does suggest a particularly knotty and unremarked upon problem for the EU. Leaving aside the demonstrable impotence of the "Euro state," the obvious medicine for France comes in a bottle of patriotism -- something anathema to the enlightened post-nationalist super-state. And so too for the other Euros who are or will soon be coming under fire.

Can Brussels survive the burning of Paris?

Again, where the heck is the French army? I remember visiting Paris once, and noting how wide and nice the streets were. I learned they were specifically designed so they could be easily controlled with artillery if need be. The French have the means to end this anarchy - what is the matter with them?

Anybody ever notice that spurwing never answers comments?

I chalk it off to signal-to-noise ratio.

The feeling is mutual, LauraW. (By the way, I clicked on that link, No Parasan, and I was shocked to find out that Chirac has yet to address his nation. Wow!)

I see your point. In that post, I was trying to put myself in the minds of the French government. The whole post is a stream-of-consciousness type of blathering.

Originally, I only meant to say, "The French suck," but it turned into much much more.

Let's say the French went in and started shooting these Muslim youth and people died. Wouldn't that be cause for a jihad?

Or would it squelch the uprising?

I really don't know. Personally, I'd fight tooth and claw no matter what, and I'd expect no less from my government. Bring 'em on, I say. Better to have an out in the open battle rather than the enemy slowly making in-roads with little squirmishes over a period of time.

France is walking on a tightrope and this situation could tip either way at this point.

Look how the Muslims dealt with the Dutch politicians and that filmmaker when they openly condemned their treatment of women. They issued a fatwa, or whatever it is called.

The only way to deal with these "cockroaches" is by wiping them off the face of the planet. France must enforce a zero-tolerance policy towards law breakers and pay no regard to religious and cultural sensitivity. Anyhing less than that, I do believe, will add fuel to the fire.

Yep, good ol' Spurwing. How peaceful it must be to go through life oblivious to detail and lack of peripheral vision.

I remember visiting Paris once, and noting how wide and nice the streets were. I learned they were specifically designed so they could be easily controlled with artillery if need be.

Going back to the parts of undergraduate school I actually attended ... When the streets were narrow, the natives has a habit of throwing all their furniture and such into the streets to form barricades. This greatly hampered the official forces and favored the rioters and made it very hard to get grapeshot shooting cannons where they could be effective. After a few revolutions, Napoleon III did a bit of "urban renewal" to correct that problem. So, technically it is true that the city was redesigned to handle the next set of riots with artillary. OTOH, France was not really the picture of stability after all the rebuilding was done.

But to suggest that the present regime would deploy that kind of force, even in the burning surrounding areas, suggests a national self-confidence and assertiveness that has not existed for a couple of generations at least. Official France is at war and filling the field with diplomats. There isn't any stopping it, so the rational French people might as well wait for the smoke to clear and finally engage the enemy on their own.

Fuck me in the eye, that was the most ridiculous shit I've seen from spurwing yet. SPURWING, YOU ARE A STUPID ASSHOLE. I AM TYPING THIS IN LARGE LETTERS HOPING THAT YOU SEE IT. I DOUBT IT WILL WORK.

And what the fuck was up with Wanda?

Anyway, this is just depressing for me. There's still part of me that loves France (even though I'd gladly declare it the worst country on the planet) and I hate seeing this happen. From my own personal experiences over there I'd guess this has everything to do with their fucked up social policies more than it has to do with Islam.

They just seem to have the perfect balance of draconian bullshit here and spineless surrender there that pisses people off and gives them confidence that they can lash out with impunity. It's a perfect storm of bad European policy.

VRWC, ugh, I just read that e-mail to Derb on the Corner that you mentioned. It makes sense.

VRWC:

Thanks for the info. I thought the redesign was during the Bourbon restoration, somewhat earlier than Napoleon III, but then French history was never my strong point. As for the question of willpower, or the lack of it - well, that is really the key issue, here.

However, giving in will simply encourage the Muslims to up the ante. The French should understand by now that giving in to blackmail simply invites more of the same. Using the Army to stop this will be bloody and hard, but unless the French are bent on national suicide, what choice do they have?

And what the fuck was up with Wanda?

I'm guessing it was a DU version of A Modest Proposal. So contempible it instantly goes into the "Junk Email" folder. I dropped her somewhere in the middle of her 3d sentence.

The French should understand by now that giving in to blackmail simply invites more of the same.

Unfortunately, the bureaucrats making those decisions tend to live a bit removed from the consequences.

Using the Army to stop this will be bloody and hard, but unless the French are bent on national suicide, what choice do they have?

Well, to start I have to paraphrase Henry II in asking how men they have to hold Paris. More to the point, how many do they have to hold France? This strikes me as being as a frightening moment for Brussels as for France.

Ultimately, the power of any nation is with its people. Even when we all go to guns. The real question is whether the people of France, having no 2nd Amendment and decades of leftist rule, still have the means to resist when their government fails. If not this time, then the next, which there will surely be if the insurgents are not put down.

ugh, I just read that e-mail to Derb on the Corner that you mentioned. It makes sense.

I had the same sickening sense of being smacked in the face with the obvious. This is not going away and the ultimate questions will remain until they are ultimately answered.

And yet, check this article from the BBC. Rioters are described as "North Africans" and "Arabs" and "urban vandals" throughout. The words "Islam" or "muslim" appear nowhere (which makes it a little bizarre that teargas landing on a mosque is reported as such a big deal). And the violence is at least in part hung 'round the neck of the interior minister, who referred to street thugs as "scum," thereby making them all ever so tense. When, apparently, words of peace are what's needed. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I didn't notice this all by myself. I was reading an AP article to a Brit over the phone, when he said, "wait! Where are you getting this? None of our news items have the word 'muslim' in them." And, lo, it is true.

What's really galling is remembering back to the British and French press in the aftermath of Katrina, when they breathlessly described the looting as proof that the American system had failed its people utterly, that we were going to have to re-evaluate our priorities in a post-Katrina world and become a new and different and more welfare-oriented society. Like them.

So...what do the French riots prove?

Oh no, I was perfectly serious. But if you prefer driving tanks into the Paris suburbs and massacring everyone, suit yourself.

At first when I started reading the news articles on this, I thought, "Hmm, sounds bad but I'm sure it will die out when the French finally decide to take control." The thing is, we're more than a week out and the French haven't even decided to take control and their laxity is encouraging more of this. And now the violence is getting to Paris itself.

The French Army is perfectly suited to restoring order. After all, the only people they seem to be able to fight effectively are Africans. It wouldn't take much effort to organize a major force to retake the suburbs. They won't have to shoot that many people to get the situation to calm down. The Muslims in the area probably don't have good firearms training or unit discipline so they should fall quickly.

Read this article, linked by Drudge, it's chilling: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051106/D8DMPPP0R.html

The mayor won't allow the establishment of militias because "You would have to be everywhere." Well isn't that a classic anti-law enforcement attitude. We can't enforce the law everywhere so why bother? Isn't Paris burning a reason to bother?

The article even concluded with a statement that the Interior Minister "inflamed passions by referring to troublemakers as 'scum.'" Man, the AP is really struggling to frame this issue...

Another very insightful article on this by Amir Tehari. We are rapicly approaching the point where those who favor appeasment and/or ignoring the gathering storm are going to have to chose a side.

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/18822

Riots seem to be popular in Britain as well.

quoth the MSM:

"Communist and Green Party officials demanded one symbolic measure, the resignation of Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who is challenging to replace Chirac in 2007.

Sarkozy, accused by opponents of stoking the unrest by calling troublemakers "scum," maintained his tough line on Saturday, saying the government stood by its demand for an end to the violence. "

Sacre bleu, the man used...HARSH LANGUAGE!!
Off with his head!

Where's Ace? I'm having a panic attack. Out all night. Still not home. I know it! I know it! Ace got laid!!

Nah, he probably screwed up his doses of Klonopin and Val-U-Rite.

Oh, I dunno. Ace has been acting a bit frisky these days. And such a gentleman, too (the asshole won't kiss and tell).

"maintained his tough line on Saturday, saying the government stood by its demand for an end to the violence. "

That's a "tough line?" What would a non-tough line be?

Perhaps I'm narrow minded, but anyone who torched my car would qualify for the "scum" label. If

I caught them doing it, they'd qualify as a receptical for a few of the .308 Black Talons that I've been hoarding...

I wonder what the media will end up calling these French 'rioteurs'- will they call them 'insurgents'? At the present time, they won't even name them at all for fear of using the 'm-word' I suppose.