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November 03, 2005

The Reason For The Dems' Revolting?

Yes, they've always been revolting. Now they're just acting up and need a time-out.

A very interesting thing was reported by Mort Kondracke on Brit Hume yesterday. It's very interesting indeed, but I'm not sure I completely understand what the heck he was trying to say.

Apparently the Dems don't like the way "Phase II" of the intelligence investigation is going -- Intelligence staffers drew up a list of quotes from Bush Administration officials and Republican and Democratic politicians making the case for war, and evaluated each as to what intelligence they were based on.

The tricksy bit? None of the quotes carried an attribution to a particular person. So, Mort said, if you made a big deal about a quote, you might find out that it was made by a Democrat-- or even by yourself.

I'm not sure I buy that-- I imagine that anyone on the Hill can run a Lexis/Nexus search and discover who said what. I imagine the real objection is that the Democrats don't like their own "twistings of intelligence" listed right beside Bush's, and traced back to the same intelligence sources.

But... interesting, anyway, even if maybe I'm misunderstanding it, and even if Mort Kondracke is misunderstanding it too.

Here are a lot of the quotes the Dems don't really want investigated.

Including, of course:

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.

- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

And, even better:

The intelligence which the president shared with us was in line with what we saw in the White House…

-- - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, 2003

Thanks to JoeInDC44 for pointing out that last one.

How dare you distort the intelligence and make specious connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda, Madame Senatrix.


posted by Ace at 12:32 PM
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I can't understand why Democrats are clamoring for hearings and select committees when their previous blatherings are captured on tape and can be played back to them to refute their current antipodal positions.

Posted by: tefta on November 3, 2005 01:10 PM

I don't think you are misunderstanding anything and there is probably not as big a difference between what you and Mort are saying as you think.

Without the names, Democrats really can't express any opinion or determination about whether or not any of those statements are misleading, for obvious reasons. You are saying that they don't like that it is being pointed out that they made just as many statements about Hussein and WMD. You also point out that they could just take the list and look up the quotes, then only find fault with the ones they know Bush made and that is an excellent point. I think the big problem they have, though, is that so many of the statements are almost identical. It would just make them look incredibly stupid (I know, that hasn't stopped them before) to determine one statement was fine, while another, almost identical one, was not.

So I think you and Mort are both right. In the context of a closed hearing, with the luxury of a staff with a little bit of time and computer access, they could identify the Democrat statements. If there are 50+ statements though that are from Democrats, the Senators are going to have a really hard time keeping those statements straight when they go on their chat show appearances -- especially when so many of the statements are surely almost word for word identical.

Posted by: Lorie Byrd on November 3, 2005 01:11 PM

Hi, just come back from the fetid swamps of the worst.stunt.ever comments. I bring news of the imaginary:

It seems that Phase II is the new Fitzmas Doom Scenario (FDS). Right now, its at level 2. There seems to be some confusion on the part of the looney tunes as to whats the bigger deal, the next 2 years of the Fitzgerald investigation (where Libby will "flip" and expose Cheney) or whether Phase II will be the next FDS for Bush.

I would recommend extreme incredulity once they try to infect this part of the blog. We don't want to have to listen to the rantings of a level IA FDS.

Posted by: joeindc44 on November 3, 2005 01:15 PM

Again, this is the administrations fault, as well as the
Republican leadership in congress. This crap, Bush Lied, People died, should have been put to bed two years ago. All intelligence come from two sources, the CIA and the DOD. It's not like the President and the Republicans get to see the intel and then tell the
Democrats what's what. Everyone gets to see the same intel. In fact the Senators on the Intelligence Commity probably get to see intel before the POTUS does. It's like we are living in an Orwellian world where the future is known, it's the past that changes!

Posted by: Radical Centrist on November 3, 2005 01:22 PM

Hey! I posted that list of quotations well before deepdown inTexas did. In fact, I've been posting that list at several internet sites the last few days since the Dems' stunt. However, I found them at

http://www.jrwhipple.com/war/wmd.html

If someone is going to steal the work product that I stole from someone else, I ought to at least get some credit. An added plus is that the link above provides links to the news reports including the quotations.

Pass the list on and let's make their inclusion in Phase II unnecessary.

Posted by: The Raven on November 3, 2005 01:44 PM

Also check out this link:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/FF24Ag01.html

EVERYONE BELIEVED SADDAM HAD WMD DAMNIT!!!!

Posted by: Radical Centrist on November 3, 2005 01:47 PM

did i do that?

Posted by: joeindc44 on November 3, 2005 01:48 PM

What does she mean "we saw inthe White House?"

Was Bill in the habbit of sharing top secret intelligence - that he seemed to have little interest in - with the little woman? I mean his wife?

If she gets elected does she plan on sharing classified intelligence with her fillandering perjurer of a husband?

Posted by: Stephen Macklin on November 3, 2005 01:52 PM

Trackback not working.

Its funny how today they all act like recipients of retroactive infallibility. And guilty of the same crime Bush is, I'd like to see how they spin that.

Posted by: Stan on November 3, 2005 02:19 PM

Frankly what the demacrats are trying with bushes judicial nominations is revolting the whole demacratic party is revolting

Posted by: spurwing plover on November 3, 2005 03:17 PM

I can't understand why Democrats are clamoring for hearings and select committees when their previous blatherings are captured on tape and can be played back to them to refute their current antipodal positions.

Posted by: tefta on November 3, 2005 04:26 PM

Thanks for the link, Ace. I was wondering why my traffic spiked. The thing I can figure out is how anyone thinks that the Dem leadership is credible on anything anymore.

Posted by: Greg on November 3, 2005 08:57 PM
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