Damn, Ace, they DO support the troops!
The ones they call 'minute men'...

Wow. They look jubilant.

Their eyes betray their words. Their smiles project a vile cancer.

Thank the powers that be, that preserved in me the ability to walk away from the left.

For those who stayed behind, I have only revulsion.

In one of the photo's a guy has a iraqmortality.org sign, being a curious kinda guy I checked it out and wish I hadn't. Tomorrow I am going to punch the first person I see wearing a peace sign.

I'm not man prone to physical altercation, nor to making rash threats in the face of asinine provocation.

And yet...if I see this happening, I'm going to kneecap the first Leftie shithead I see with a crowbar, and then piss on his head while he lies there howling. The jail-time for aggravated assault will fly by, having been lessened by the sense of satisfaction and cosmic justice I will feel.

Goddam every one of their pasty, flabby, treacherous souls to a hell they don't even believe in.

Can we question their patriotism yet?

Anyone seethis article about the new national security plans for Democrats? Kerry's is to run away from Iraq, Madeline Albrights declares that Democrats are "basicall supportive of the troops."

Separately, Clinton administration secretary of state Madeleine K. Albright delivered a report to top Democratic congressional leaders calling for a 50 percent increase in federal spending on homeland security, the creation of a domestic intelligence agency, and a Cabinet-level ranking for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

''We are all looking at the Iraq issue, how to make America safe and not leave the situation in complete chaos," Albright added, echoing many of Kerry's themes. ''The Democrats are basically supportive of the troops. We would like to see an Iraq that is stable and relatively democratic."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/10/27/democratic_leaders_offer_a_national_security_plan/

no no no..... you're not supposed to judge whether this "commemoration" was in fact a celebration.

You're supposed to let the MEDIA interpret the news for you and TELL you what to think.

(sniff sniff - the odor of nazi propoganda comes to mind... but that figures, nazis were left wing, so the leftist media is just following in their daddy's footsteps.)

Give me a break. Most people smile for cameras. Nobody is jubilant that 2,000 soldiers died for nothing. You guys are completely unable to admit that you were wrong about Iraq, and instead you try to obscure the fact that you have been dead wrong all along by talking about beating up anti-war demonstrators with a crowbar. You can engage in chest thumping and name calling all you want, but it's game over. A majority of Americans now recognize that the war was a hideous mistake, and Bush is getting laughed off the stage. Open your eyes.

A majority of Americans now recognize that the war was a hideous mistake

Got a cite for that factoid Georgie? Seems to me you can find some polls that indicate a majority of people may object to the way the war is being conducted but that's a lot different isn't it?

Here's s poll from last December -- one can only imagine what numbers the same questions would elicit today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14266-2004Dec20.html

And here's another one:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/20/poll/

Oh, look! Georgie is over here, too!

Funny, how frustrating it is for these moonbats that President Bush doesn't kowtow to poll results like his predecessor!

The Iraq war was a, "hideous mistake?" Only to people as delusional as you, Georgie.

I know George Tirebiter ..... George is an acquaintance of mine, down at the lab. But ever since the explosion, he hasn't been the same.

http://www.sightlossmatters.com/images/Db-man-cane-user-lo.jpg

No, the war is a hideous mistake because tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians died because we invaded a country on false preteneses and then bungled the occupation. There is no cogent rationale for being there and no clear strategy to get out. Nothing delusional about that.

George Bush does, in fact, kowtow to polls. How many of his campaign positions were at variance with polling which revealed what his base wants? When has he ever displayed the courage to disagree with his supporters? And what happened to those positions once he was re-elected (Federal marriage amendment, anyone?).

The reason that Bush is stuck in Iraq is not because he is a brave and principled man who is unafraid to go against the grain of popular opinion. It is because he is clueless of how to extricate ourselves from this mess.

Dull, repetitive, and stupid. Typical troll.

Nice job, georgie, posting links to polls that don't support your conclusions! lol! Can I post a link to the poll that said 62% of Americans believe the war in Iraq was a good idea?

"It's a hideous mistake!"

Georgie is only repeating what he heard his parents say over and over while he was growing up. Poor guy hasn't figured out yet they were refering to him.

Looks like he's in good company then. Lets see, we're still occupying England, Germany, Japan, Italy, the Balkans, and God knows how many other shitholes around the globe. Hell, being in Truman's company alone (anybody remember a little place called Korea?) is damned distinctive.

Now until we have exit plans for all the other countries we've liberated and then "occupied", you can just piss off, you clueless asshole.

Well George-at least we stopped the creation of mass graves....... you know where MORE than tens of thousands of people died.

Oh, the Iraqis vote now too-they STILL don't want us to leave......

I'm betting George was against Afghanistan too.

The first three responses -- from Andrea, BrewFan, and anonymous -- have no arguments in them, only name calling. And BrewFan: sure, if you can find a poll which is both recent and reliable which shows broad support for the war, then by all means post it.

Mr. Bowen's post is factually incorrect. For example, we are not occupying England, Japan, and Germany. We have military bases there. As you may know, we cooperate with England and Germany in NATO and we have security arrangements with Japan. Quite different from occupying a country you invaded and taking casualties every day.

I had hoped I might find a reasoned argument here. I was misinformed. I'm outta here.

In fact I was strongly in favor of the war in Afghanistan and I still am. I am not a pacifist, only someone who realizes that Iraq was the wrong target for the wrong reasons.

The Iraqi people did not vote on whether we should stay or go. My personal opinion is that there should be a referendum on whether we should remain in Iraq, and we should follow the results either way. I am sure if Bush really felt that we are there with Iraqi support he would push for the same thing.

I was misinformed.

Duh.

George,

After all that "seeking" all you could find was Firesign Theater? We hashed this out in another thread. Changing your name doesn't mean you get to ignore the weight of evidence and argument that was already presented against your position.

Poor form, old man.

"I was misinformed."
'Duh.
Posted by BrewFan at October 28, 2005 09:51 PM '

We have a winner ......(ding ding)

Tirebait? said: "There is no cogent rationale for being there and no clear strategy to get out."

Okay, let's take this and look at it. It's his first non-rhretorical statement made. Both are WRONG.

No cogent rationale: The enemy was determined to attack us in the US. We took the fight to a country where the 9/11 report cited piles of evidence that Saddam begged Osama to engage cooperatively in future attacks against the US. The Iraq conquest serves the purpose of taking the fight to enemy soil. US citizens are safer when muslims are busy killing themselves, over there, and the psychological initiative is ours for taking the fight to the muslims rather than allowing the fight to be here. Al Queda recognizes the error of Zarqawi's attacks, as does Al Jazeera, of muslims murdering muslims. This is NOT good for the jihad.

No clear strategy to get out: Kerry has spoken of a strategy. Hillary has spoken of a strategy. Know what they say? Hillary said her anti-Bush strategy is to keep the troops in place only until the Iraqis can secure themselves - then out come our troops. How does this differ from the Bush strategy? Not an ounce. Kerry's plan talks of the necessity for Iraq to defend itself before we bolt, but he has plans to pull SOME troops home before we're sure.

Both Bush strategies are the right ones. Personally, I felt SAUDI ARABIA was the choice instead of Iraq - cut the oil funding of Al Queda and free one of the most oppressive regimes in the region. But, I'm not dictator.

On Tirebait's accusations, he's wrong.

I know I've said this before, but those pictures are further proof; "anti-war" lefties don't give a damn about dead soldiers. They never have, and no amount of disingenous "peace vigils" is going to convince anyone with an IQ higher than that of a potted plant that they do. Opposing the war is a fashion trend; a hollow attempt to show how fucking groovy and compassionate they are. Spitting on the memory of brave men and women is just an extra treat as far as they are concerned.

"The first three responses -- from Andrea, BrewFan, and anonymous -- have no arguments in them, only name calling."

Blah blah blah blah fishcakes.

"I had hoped I might find a reasoned argument here. I was misinformed. I'm outta here."

Don't step on your dick on the way out.

Apparently, too, Tirebait believes that everyone smiles for the camera.

I remember not a single picture from my step-father's funeral (the most recent I've been to) where ANYONE smiled. I saw nothing but sadness, grief, downcast eyes, and covered faces.

I saw NONE of that in the demonstrations pictured.

Tirebait just can't help making whatever he wants up to cover that the moron demonstrators were in fact "celebrating." Face it and move on to some other argument you can win.

Jordan, you may question their patriotism, so long as you question of whom and what they are patriots.

You know what, George is right. We shouldn't be sending our troops to other countries to die. We have a military to look pretty in parades and clean up after natural disasters, not to fight.

So here's my idea: Bomb Syria. All of it. I figure it will take about 95000 MK-84's to turn all of Syria into a bomb crater. That would cost ~$30 billion and take 5300 BUFF sorties. Given the state of Syria's air defense network the risk to American life would be minimal.

Afterward we can give the rest of the area a choice. Do they want to go the Iraq way or the Syria way.

The first three responses -- from Andrea, BrewFan, and anonymous -- have no arguments in them, only name calling.

Look, twit, I came here to hit on (figuratively speaking), Ace's testicles, not listen to you old tired arguments.

What's the matter with your vision, everyone? I could see a sad face in every one of those pics.

Oh, wait. That was a reflection of my own face on the screen as I looked at those yoyos celebrating their own moral superiority. 'Course, most of them wouldn't recognize morality if it slapped them upside the head.

They are a sad bunch, but even worse, they are a dangerous bunch because they think when Utopia comes they'll be the ones more equal.

BTW, to translate: tirebiter = dog.

Ergo, George Dog. Very fitting, considering how loyal he is to moron.org, etc.

The lefties that presumably 'support the troops,' want them to abandon their mission and go home having accomplished nothing. Which is the very thing that would truly make our losses a disgraceful waste of life.

Exactly the opposite of what the TROOPS want to do. Does what the troops want to do even figure into it for these people?

There has to be a reason people enlisted during the war. There has to be a reason people have elected to go back two, three times, even when they were not required to do so.

Do the lefties assume that they are smarter and better informed of conditions in the field than the troops themselves are?

Yes, of course they assume that. It is part of the disease of elitism that infects these pricks.

They're better than the troops and commanders, you see. They can evaluate the situation from third-hand, lefty-biased reports thousands of miles away and decide on behalf of the troops (who strangely want no part of them) what should be done.

And like our enemies, they only love Americans when we are dying.
Therefore, once again, they can go to Hell.

Given what's been going on around here lately (before today, I mean) I can't believe nobody jumped on this statement from Tirebiter:

When has he [meaning Bush] ever displayed the courage to disagree with his supporters?

Yeah Sean, and a story about a Medicare bill...

Stick around, laura. I might just whip out the ol' banjo and sing a little song about steel tariffs, then segue into my education/transportation bill medley.

(Heh. I said "Bill Medley.")

and illegal immigration, and "No Child Left Behind", and enough fat to kill the golden goose in the transportation bill, and...

The point is, GW, like his dad, like Ford, and on, and on, was/is the lesser of two evils at the ballot box. We would love to see a CONSERVATIVE assume the presidency, but have been hamstrung for the most part by "moderates" who sell our ideals down the river of appeasement to the moonbats who think anyone to the right of Uncle Joe is a radical right crazy religious fanatic who is dangerous to every leftist precept ever imagined.

At least Reagan was honest about where he stood on any issue, and could be trusted to keep his word (such a foreign concept in our world today).

That is the one concept that scares moonbats more than any other: a man who will keep his word.

2,000 means that there are now 2,000 more reasons to stay and complete the mission. Oh and for the pussies that want to withdraw. Go ask a soldier and he will tell you what he thinks about that and hopefully he will tell you to go fuck yourself while he is at it.

Hey, come on. They support the troops. And by troops I mean mujahadeen.

Exactly the opposite of what the TROOPS want to do.

Precisely. Amazing that all these people who "support our troops" couldn't give give a tinker's damn about what they have to say about what we are doing in Iraq or what they have to say about withdrawing or finishing this properly. Our leftist "friends" know far more about the situation than our people on the ground because, well, they watch CNN and have Cindy Sheehan's "absolute moral authority" as their guides. To hell with whatever her heroic son might have believed.

File Closer has them exactly right. He killed better than these POS's when he was there and they deserved it. I defer to his wisdom.

If there is a bottom to my contempt for these narcissistic scum, I haven't found it yet. Their only potentially redeeming feature is that some might be so ignorant and developmentally retarded that their idiocy should only be attributed to the people they are listening to. I'm pessimistic enough to think they are few and far between.

I have to admit that I thought Michelle Malkin was being a bit of a hack by pre-describing these planned vigils as parties. Not that I ever believed in the earnestness of these vermin. I just thought it was less than honest to label something a party without any evidence.

Well, looks like she had it figured out pretty well. These fuckers are truly the scum of the earth. Look at their faces. They know this isn't about our soldiers. So does the media. It's absolutely despicable.

Aw hell, I wanted a piece of George Pillowbiter. Oh well, drive-by trolls are like buses. There'll always be another one later.

Misrble vultures ghouls and body pickers they are the worse of society the dreges at the bottom of the barrel what you might flush down the toilet

"I had hoped I might find a reasoned argument here. I was misinformed. I'm outta here."

Georgie, since it is evident that you can't present one yourself, we can only presume that you wouldn't recognize one if you saw it!

Andrea: TOO FUNNY!

I was in the airport the other day returning from a deployment (not in uniform), in line for a frothy latte behind an older lady who was STILL kvetching about Bush winning the election. As she ended her tirade to the poor cashier, she ended with that caveat that we're all familiar with, "...but I support the troops...." I snapped. "Maam, you do NOT support the troops, I am one, and dont appreciate all the complaining and hamstringing you're attempting to do to my CINC. We love the guy, and couldn't be prouder to do the required work for the safety of this country. I believe you say you support the troops because it is politically expedient for you to do so. If you thought you could get away with spitting on me, you would. Every position you take, makes our job HARDER, and the country more AT RISK. I am honored every time I "push 'em up" taking off into the Iraqi skies. She slunk off to the sound of crickets chirping.... I got a couple of "thank yous" from the folks in line...... Best latte I ever had.
Had to sound off. Great stuff Ace. Love the site

Mike,

Thanks for the chuckle, man. I only wish we could arrange more meetings like that. With cameras.

The left supports the troops like they love black people. Without ever having to meet any.

I had hoped I might find a reasoned argument here. I was misinformed. I'm outta here.

I doubt it. You guys always come back.

Because you know, deep down inside, that we love you little scamps. I mean, you're all so f'in cute.

Oh Slubs you aren't kidding. When they call me a nazi, my toes curl.
Can't even stand it. Just want to smother them with tiny kisses and enormous painful boils.

Kisses before boils, right?

If its any consolation to you folks; as a "troop" I can say that most of you are exactly on target, (PK 95%); here's something to think about: the war(s) have been going on for about 5 years, yeah? Many enlistments are 4 years or less. By my math, that means many (if not most) of us (certain jobs exempted) have had the opportunity to get out of this all volunteer force. While there have been some difficulties getting certain demographics into the services, the AF is actually down-sizing (at least they're trying to do it right-booting troublemakers). I just haven't seen that many Wal-Mart greeters dressed in desert cammies, so I guess the "troops" are letting the American people know loud and clear where they stand with the most precious vote a person can proffer; lives.
Another anecdote; driving past a demonstration of nutjobs, my 9 year-old son asked who the people were holding the signs. Told him they were people he could beat up, and they wouldn't hit back, but they would want people like me to rush to their defense.... He said "Why would you defend them? Why are they like that?" I drew a blank. Can ANYONE explain them?

And no, I'm not spell checking, so you punctuation/spell check nazis can just blow

Don't let them call us nazis! Fight back with the truth...

I wrote an article on it with full political quotes and analyses. Nazis were very left wing. You can find that here.

oh lauraw, you naughty nazi you

oh wait.. boils.

nevermind

Tirebiter sounds like another word for Roadkill.

He said "Why would you defend them? Why are they like that?" I drew a blank. Can ANYONE explain them?

It's easy to explain them. They didn't have fathers who did their jobs.

The harder job is explaining you to them. That would involve communicating the concepts of honor, bravery, and duty to people who have never known what those words meant.

If you read Zombie's comments you will see that most of the people didn't know they were being photographed until the flash went off.

MikeB. First of all, thank you for your service, and your commitment to it!.

Second, thank you for your story.

I always got angry when I heard these no-minds refer to our troops as kids, but moreso now. I happened to be in Dallas in August, waiting to board a flight. There was a USO right there in my midst, with scores of MEN and WOMEN in uniform hanging out, waiting, no doubt, for flights out to God-knows-where.

I did not see one KID in the bunch. I saw mature men and women, who VOLUNTEERED to serve in our miltary. You are right, the woman in that coffee shop, and the people like her, do NOT support you, but most Americans do. Please, don't be discouraged by those people.

As far as your son, my only suggestion for a reply would be, "Because they are Americans. Even though I don't like what they are doing, they are Americans."

It is interesting how the homosexuals so easily engage in these anti-war protests. They must REALLY hate their fathers to oppose any moral stand by Bush and the U.S.

Some of you may thik I just like to pick on the homosexual-doers. Not true. I am only trying to point out the conspicuous links between cetain behaviors.

I have also come to believe that there are no "gay conservatives," only "gay libertarians." Libertarians = the anything goes party. Woop Woop!

I'm glad someone was there with a camera to show what a mockery these people were making of a solemn occasion. I've found a few more photos of people making a mockery of similar occasions.

For instance, here's George Bush at a Memorial Day ceremony. Look at him grinning! He's obviously happy all those soldiers died.

http://www.mdw.army.mil/images/photo_gallery/memorialday03/memday01a.jpg

Or Bush at Reagan's funeral. Can you believe he's grinning in Nancy's face like that? Wait a minute. Is she smiling too?
http://www.ggrw.org/Reagan_BushesWith%20NancyAtFuneral.jpg

Or Bush 41 and his wife at Reagan's funeral. Babs sure looks happy that Reagan's dead.
http://www.albertarose.org/Remember/Reagan/110604_bush_sr.jpg

And speaking of Reagan, here he is at Biburg. Obviously pretty pleased about all the dead soldiers.
http://www.707sim.com/images/reagan-germany-bitburg.jpg

Or this one's really outrageous. Look how happy Laura Bush is that the Pope's dead! That's no way to get the Catholic vote.
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/17/2275/1024/Bush%20Pope%20funeral.jpg

Do I really think that all these people are happy someone died? Of course not. I do think it's ridiculous to use the fact that someone is smiling in a photo as some kind of "proof" about what they thinnk politically, or their sincerity. People often instinctively smile when someone's taking their picture. That's all it means. How ridiculous.

People often instinctively smile when someone's taking their picture. That's all it means

That's just swell. Except the subjects in this case (1) were trying to make a politcal statement out of our fallen soldiers and (2) didn't know they were being photgraphed.

Given their theatrical circumstances, we would have expected long faces, however insincere. What is amazing is that they didn't even bother to fake it.

Are you kidding? In just about all of the pictures the people are looking right into the camera. On what do you base the statement that they didn't know they were having their pictures taken? And I'm presuming you clicked through to the links I provided. None of those people knew they were having their picture taken, so I'm assuming you agree that they were just happy.

I hate to agree with Chris here, but he has a point. They were having their picture taken. Most people smile when that happens.

I hate to agree with Chris here, but he has a point. They were having their picture taken. Most people smile when that happens.

At a funeral? When the Pope died? At a vigil for a murdered child? Nah. When people are genuinely sad about something, sticking cameras in their faces won't make them break into grins.

It may be natural to smile for a camera, but just looking at these pictures tells a bigger story. The subjects of most of the photos are not just smiling, they look happy, almost ecstatic. Even more telling are some of the nonsubjects in the photos, these background people look pretty happy too.

The deranged left's mindset is that "its all about Bush!!!!~!!!!!!@#%$@#%@"

There's no difference between the Wellstone funeral or a "memorial" to soldiers. Its a political moment, with the sole intent of either shoring up the left, or actively getting Bush. Just like the revelers at Wellstone, noone in these pictures gives a shit about the troops or the war or terrorism. They only care that there is a nice round number of KIAs and it could be used to hurt Bush.

Rightwingsparkle-
Again, as Zombie said, when he took the pictures it was dark, and people didn't realize that their pictures were being taken until the flash had gone off...

Oh, well. That certainly makes a difference.

This is always happens when I try to defend these guys.

*sigh*

Two words, Chris: Wellstone memorial (DNC rally).

Your comparisons are bullshit. Those left-wing-bush-haters assembled for one reason and one reason only -- to show how much they hate Bush and the Right.
They don't give a shit about our dead soldiers. Any excuse will do hit the streets and carry silly, hate-speech-filled signs.

Everyone knows that Mr. Bush's is sincere at memorial services. And everyone knows how insincere the Liberals are when they pretend to mourn our dead. That's the difference, Chris, you low-life-spin-doctor-apologist-finger-pointing-toobino-like-linking-douche-bag.

Aw come on, guys, let Chris live in his little world where the left supports the troops and the economy is terrible and Iraq is a quagmire and the MSM is the fount of all wisdom. The more cranial-anally-inverted Donks there are like him, the longer we stay in power.