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October 28, 2005
Early Thoughts On Libby Indictment, FitzgeraldAlthough my first reaction was a knee-jerk semi-defense of Libby and semi-attack on Fitzgerald, here are some second thoughts. Still tenative, still half-formed: 1) Libby is charged with misrepresenting, multiple times, under oath, the source from which he got the Plame tip. According to Fitzgerald, he repeatedly claimed he just got it from reporters-- under oath. According to Fitzgerald, too, he got the information from government sources, and he thinks he can prove that. If this is true, then this is genuine perjury, and he's not being charged for merely having a hazy memory. 2) Fitzgerald answered my question regarding why the long investigation without any charges for the underlying crime (if one existed). He says (by analogy and implication) that he could not tell if Libby satisfied the criminal intent requirements of the laws against divulging classified information. (He says he's convinced Plame's status was classified, even if not covert.) Thus, while he seems convinced that Libby committed the "bad acts" of the statute, he cannot ascertain if he had the "bad motive" (crimnal intent, intent to harm the national interest, etc.) so that's why he couldn't bring charges against him on these grounds. This would in fact be a fact-intensive inquiry, and would justify interviewing the relevant witnesses. So, if we take this as true, then Fitzgerald did not act in a partisan or overzealous manner by conducting this long, long, long grand jury inquiry. So, as of the moment -- and again, assuming Fitzgerald is being straight with us -- Fitzgerald acted responsibily and Libby did commit some very stupid criminal perjuries, for which he should resign and be prosecuted. I hope he can reach a deal; I don't really want to see him behind bars for a lengthy jail sentence, but, again assuming that Fitzgerald is being straight with us, he did commit the crimes he's charged with and must leave the government. The Berger Precedent: Why is it that Democrats are offered sweetheart deals for serious, proveable breaches of national security, and Republicans are threatened with thirty years in the clink for perjury? The Warden notes Libby should be offered... A plea bargain, $50,000 in fines and removal of his security clearance for 3 years, just like Berger got. I'm sure this will be ok with the lefties, as they seemed satisfied w/Berger's sentence. Won't happen. It's a Republican. Democrats get very generous benefits of the doubts, Republicans get the slammer. posted by Ace at 03:47 PM
CommentsAgreed. A plea bargain, $50,000 in fines and removal of his security clearance for 3 years, just like Berger got. I'm sure this will be ok with the lefties, as they seemed satisfied w/Berger's sentence. Posted by: The Warden on October 28, 2005 03:53 PM
Now how 'bout posting that cropped shot of Bbeck in the Ace of Spades tee? I need to be stimulated, dammit! Posted by: The Warden on October 28, 2005 03:56 PM
I can't believe someone beat me to the Berger slam. Damn... Are there recordings or corroborative eyewitnesses, or is this just three separate he said/she said recollections? Sounds like a whole lotta bullshit to me. Job 1 was to figure out how the hell Plame could have been covered by the statute. I thought that was already disproved by several different tests. Posted by: Dogstar on October 28, 2005 04:04 PM
assuming that Fitzgerald is being straight Taking so much of the MSM and rogue CIA dreck at face value looks like BDS to me. Posted by: boris on October 28, 2005 04:05 PM
As I said in an earlier post on this subject: "So who would perjure? Not any administration official. Rove and Libby and friends were probably advised from the start to tell no lies and that there was no crime. As a lawyer, I would be sure to inform them of that (and of their fifth amendment rights). So, unless there is a desire to publicly embarrass themselves, there should be no charges against admin officials." Well, I was wrong on the big question, but like Libby, I got it on the follow up. I was right that someone would have to act in a foolish manner, and from the prosecutor's side, it does not seem like a he said-she said scenario, but a "thats my story and I am sticking to it" scenario. He should have just sat there and done his impression of a potato. Stupid. Posted by: joeindc44 on October 28, 2005 04:11 PM
So... Why DID Scooter give Judith Miller permission to talk if he was intentionally breaking the law? Posted by: bbeck on October 28, 2005 04:15 PM
I wonder what happened to that vile POS lefty troll who claimed a star was added to the CIA Wall of Honor due to the Plame disclosure. Come out, little troll, and read this. Posted by: spongeworthy on October 28, 2005 04:16 PM
He should have just sat there and done his impression of a potato. Stupid. I find it amazing that after 50 years of Dragnet, Perry Mason, and Law & Order, anyone ever says anything at all to a prosecutor. Even if you never commit a crime, they'll back you into one through a purjury charge. As much as I hate to say it, Rehnquist was probably right about Miranda. Posted by: The Black Republican on October 28, 2005 04:23 PM
Oh yeah, Tubino came out and said she was a NOC. Of course, if she was such a big deal, she should not have gotten her husband a junket with the CIA. And then the husband should not have gone to the NYT's. The enraging thing is that the prosecutor started out this press conference with a lot of throwaway lines about how classified Plame was, but leaves it to the end of the talker to say, well "thats not what I'm saying." Either way, its over. 2 years and they got Scooter because he tried to float a story to the grand jury. Sorry, no security laws or anything material violated. Have a nice life. Posted by: joeindc44 on October 28, 2005 04:24 PM
*If* Libby is found guilty, the Berger Standard sounds about right to me. Alternatively, if the left wants to set a harsher standard of punishment, then let's apply it to the next NYT reporter who compromises national security; if the Left objects, we can just remind them where we got the idea. Posted by: utron on October 28, 2005 04:43 PM
Speaking of the NYT's, what about the outing of the CIA's underground terror airline system? That was a big deal. As long as we are talking big deals, hasn't the UN Oil for Supporting Saddam report been published today? All this media attention on the Plame Myth. Posted by: joeindc44 on October 28, 2005 04:46 PM
Oh, please! How many grand juries out there are going on for 2 years looking into BS like this? This is not the even handled application of justice. Posted by: Joshua Chamberlain on October 28, 2005 05:16 PM
P.S. Libby didn't take the Fifth because if he did, W would have had to fire him. And everyone would have assumed he outed Plame. Posted by: Joshua Chamberlain on October 28, 2005 05:21 PM
I felt all along the whole deal had a stale lifeless quality. I'm no conspiracy theorist. Never have been, and never will be. But I honestly believe the CIA has been outed on this one. Whatever little pony party the Dems want to throw for themselves. The larger shame is the Dems are cheering what I see as a very dangerous turf battle. One that has not enhanced national security. One can only hope that the public scenes, hide some rather intense beeootch slapping, taking place backstage? The Dems ...... live and on the air, unaware. Posted by: Elmo on October 28, 2005 06:18 PM
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