I hate you because the site is blocked by my work software, and I CAN'T WAIT TO GET HOME AND SEE A LION ON BEAR DEATH MATCH.

NO SPOILERS!

Whoever did that to those poor animals should be thrown in the cage with them.

I agree. I feel bad about posting it, but again, the harm was already done.

What the hell language was that? It sounded like Asian. I noticed the graphics were in Asian, so I'm assuming I am correct in my "guess" that the guy was speaking Asian.

Animal cruelty is a kind of pornography. You are disseminating pornography.

Would you disseminate it if it were kiddie porn? The "damage is already done" there, too.

Maybe the makers of this pornograhic recording aren't getting paid for this particular video, but you are helping create interest in and legitimacy for their product. You are providing advertising for the animal cruelty pornography business in general.

Gotta go with anon on this one Ace. I had already seen this video somewhere else and it pissed me off.

No need to promote it further, unless you're trying to promote outrage, a hunt, and punishment for the cruel pos's who did this.

Lighten up, Francis.

Now, to make this week complete, I propose something where two furries fight to the death. Or two plushies. Whichever you can find. As long as one or both of them ends up dead.

Although I should add that I used to catch flies, pull off one of their wings (or catch big ants) and put them in funnel web spider's webs and watch them get carried off.

But them's bugs, not lions n bears. And I was 11.

Upon further consideration, I hate you because you are promoting animal cruelty Ace.

And it's a burning, WHITE HOT hatred, too.

Though there is the thought that watching nature shows with alligators eating bison is ok. Which confuses me. Because no man put the bison in a cage with an alligator, but he didn't exactly put down the camera and STOP the alligator either ...

... oh I'm so confused.

I started to, but I couldn't watch it. Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom was ok, but purposefully putting them in a cage together is wrong. But putting Maggie Gyllenhaal and Ann Coutler in a cage with Jello - or mud, now that's entertainment.

Well, it pisses me off they did this too.

As far as promoting cruelty to animals... I don't know. Really? Like someone is going to get a yen to hurt a dog because I posted this link?

BTW, most of the animal fights in nature films are staged. The animals are brought together to fight.

It's not wrong for the animals hurt each other (the animals themselves are not morally wrong to act that way). Nor is it wrong for people to fail to prevent them from doing so.

The morally objectionable conduct is putting these animals together, knowing that they will instinctively respond by fighting. No one put the bison and the alligator together, in your puerile, insipid example, you morally bankrupt loser.

Pssst...bostonirish, "Asian" isn't a language.

He's goofing.

No one put the bison and the alligator together

Certainly not, Yellowstone is chock full of gators.

Can someone tell me who won? I don't like watching (and will not) that kind of stuff.

Fine. Jeez. Staging a fight out in the open is just as bad as staging a fight in a cage.

The only difference is the people watching Mutual of Omaha or the Discovery Channel may actually be deceived into thinking it's not staged (since most people aren't a smart and sophisticated as you, Bill, you simpering, preening, egotistical sack of crap). In contrast, the people who watch this sort of thing knowing it is staged (like anyone watching the lion-bear thing) and get off on it are no better than the Asian bloodsport pimps who set it up.

It must constitute good clean fun. Look The discovery channel even has a program dedicated to it.

Animal face off or if I don't know how to make a link...

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/animalfaceoff/animalfaceoff.html

How do you make a link????

"Whoever did that to those poor animals should be thrown in the cage with them."
Posted by lauraw at October 7, 2005 12:40 PM

Watching the animals fight was kind of painful for me . . I only did it because I needed to know if either died. Throwing the responsible human in the cage, however, would be really entertaining. Does that make me a bad person?

Hey, don't judge me!

It's true that animal fights in most nature films are staged, but the outcome is only predetermined in low-rent WWE type nature documentaries where they supply their bears with 'roids & meth and let the lions huff paint fumes before going on stage.

These films usually only feature animal actors who have burned all their bridges in the industry. It's a sad, sad thing.

I haven't watched this video, and I probably won't. I don't know what my opinion is on whether or not Ace should post such a thing. I think that hurting animals for fun is a very evil thing to do.

Anonymous poster: you raise some good points, but your insults are really off-putting. Jeez. Are you trying to change anybody's mind or are you just trying to make yourself feel good? Calm down a bit, please.

Anonymous -

since most people aren't a smart and sophisticated as you, Bill, you simpering, preening, egotistical sack of crap

Well, clearly you're not sophisticated enough to notice the fact that I'M NOT SERIOUSLY having an ethical dilemna requiring your hilariouslyearnest ethical treatises on WWE-style nature fights. "Bison and alligators?" "but he didn't exactly put down the camera and STOP the alligator?" Jesus, you are that fucking stupid, ain'tcha?

Hey Ace, why do you let people comment anonymously on your site? I mean, the least they can do is put in a fake name, right?

Now seriously, which animal won, the bear or the lion?

May I be critical without having seen it (cause I won't stoop to that)? It's just plain wrong regardless of tense. Lauraw nailed it.

We all know you aren't "seriously" having an ethical dilemma, Bill.

I suspect you've never had one.

The written language is Korean, for what it's worth. The spoken language is probably Korean, too...or maybe Japanese. The two languages sound somewhat the same to me, especially in the short (3 seconds) portion I watched (if it had been Chinese, I would have forced myself to watch all of it to provide a transcript...I'm glad it wasn't).

Added layer of ethical fodder - is it only repellently cruel when it's two mammals put in close quarters, or does a reptile vs. amphibian death match create as great a quandary?

And is any disparity in ethical aversion between mammals and reptiles and amphibians a measure of the species' cuddliness, cognitive ability and ability to feel pain, or are there other considerations?

And in light of that follow-up, another follow-up - specifically zoning in on cognitive ability as a consideration - would it be cruel to have Oliver Willis battle to death with a giant Nile Monitor lizard?

I kicked that lion's ass.

Fake name for Bill's benefit

OOOH! ZING!

Ace, e-mail me this brave soul's IP address, will you?

Let's see -- ethical dilemmas treated as a big joke, prurient interest in violence and death ...

you consider yourself a "utilitarian," am I right?

I don't want to see it so I'm not going to watch it. If you don't want to see it, then don't follow the link.

This is Ace's site, he pays for it (mostly), he runs it, he works on it daily for our lazy free entertainment, and he can posts links to anything he wants. So shut it already.

Later,
bbeck

It looks to me like that setting is a zoo and I can't believe that they intentionally mixed the animals to film the results. My guess is that somebody just screwed up and somebody else was there to film it.

Still it sickened me, almost as much as the story Drudge ran the other day about our friends in France trolling for shark with live dogs as bait.

Fake name for Bill's benefit -

Arguing about ethics - and calling super mean names - from behind an anonymous handle, or even an anon handle with no track record of posting or familiar character to follow, is just weak. Cowardly.

If you have such a big problem with me and my ethics, why don't you e-mail me your personal information. We'll set up a meeting to discuss it. Maybe you can provide me with your body of work so that I might have some relevant response.

Ace can arrange everything. You know, put us in a cage and have us battle to death. And film it.

(the sick bastard)

Let's see -- ethical dilemmas treated as a big joke, prurient interest in violence and death ...

you consider yourself a "utilitarian," am I right?

Here's the online equivalent of poking a caged animal with a stick:

Hey Bill,

SCHIAVO

This is Ace's site, he pays for it (mostly), he runs it, he works on it daily for our lazy free entertainment, and he can posts links to anything he wants. So shut it already.

Of course he can post what he wants. But he can also handle criticism, and I don't get the impression that he would prefer that a reader "shut it" if he has a serious disagreement.

I like Ace. Even better, I respect him. I have his site bookmarked on my Toolbar. I've passed on links to him I thought he'd like. I just think this site is better than this. Even he acknowledges that the link's propriety is marginal at best. I think it crosses the line.

In contrast, the amazing thing about Bill is that even when I agree with his conclusions, I completely disagree with his reasons.

As John Polito said in Miller's Crossing, it's an interesting question of e'tics. Think of the lion as Tom and the bear as the The Dane. Verna is filming the whole thing.

...and yes, this kind of stuff makes me sick and I'm not even one of those PETA nutcases. But I'd caution everyone about making moral judgements about this kind of thing if you eat beef or poultry. If you're against animal cruelty, just visit a beef processing plant sometime and prepare to be sickened. I still eat red meat, but I feel very guilty about it nowadays.

Matthew Scully wrote a very moving book about this very subject called Dominion, and I'd recommend it very highly. It's not a PETA-style jeremiad, but a very sobering look on our husbandry of dumb animals. (Scully used to be a speechwriter for George W. Bush, so he's no flaming liberal.)

" in a cage with Jello - or mud"

How about creamed corn?

What?

Nah. I'm over that. I learned to just give in and embrace my inner "MODERN NAZI ENABLER OF THE NEW HOLOCAUST!!!!!!" label.

You know, it was appropriate for pointing out that people making statements like "all patients in Persistent Vegetative States should be kept alive 4-ever and ever!!!!!" were being, um, perhaps a bit unrealistically broad, especially in light of private vs. public health care concerns that throw up, uh, minor roadblocks to such sweeping ethical pronouncements.

I might as well have advocated crafting a lampshade out of Terri's skin, really.

Sick stuff. Watched every minute of it. Yeah, people are bad.

But that lion was badASS. Man, it kicked that bear's butt! Although to be fair, it was only a black bear. I'll bet a grizzly would have torn that cat's head off. Fortunately, it looks like exhaustion set in before they could do each other any real harm. It was pretty bloody, though.

It's amazing that this kind of stuff used to be common, everyday entertainment - bear baiting, dogfights, cockfights. This didn't disturb me nearly as much as the Discovery Channel thing about the seal beach in Africa, where jackals would come down from the nearby hills and carry the helpless pups away from their helpless mothers. Mother nature is a cold, evil bitch.

But he can also handle criticism, and I don't get the impression that he would prefer that a reader "shut it" if he has a serious disagreement.

Actually, I think he would prefer a less whiny audience who can comprehend what he said from the get-go -- he doesn't endorse this video -- and that his readers have the basic cognitive skills to distinguish between an animal fight and child pornography. But I don't presume to speak for him.

I like Ace. Even better, I respect him. I have his site bookmarked on my Toolbar. I've passed on links to him I thought he'd like. I just think this site is better than this. Even he acknowledges that the link's propriety is marginal at best. I think it crosses the line.

I could care less. If you don't like the link, don't follow it, but don't attempt to deprive anyone else who might be interested in Ace's and others' takes on it.

Later,
bbeck

That last comment of mine was to Sue Dohnim, btw.

Hey Bill,

YOUR OWN BLOG

oh bullshit, I kicked your ass.

Ooooh hot stuff!!!!!!

It's like an intellectual king of the ring/royal rumble in here.

If you don't like the link, don't follow it, but don't attempt to deprive anyone else who might be interested in Ace's and others' takes on it.

When did I attempt to deprive anyone of anything? I didn't follow the link, and I don't intend to. If Ace thinks I'm right, he'll take it down. If not, he'll keep it up. Or maybe he'll flame me. Or maybe he'll get loaded and go to Vegas. Who knows? Ace can take care of himself.

Arguing about ethics - and calling super mean names - from behind an anonymous handle, or even an anon handle with no track record of posting or familiar character to follow, is just weak. Cowardly.

You know? You're right. I apologize. I don't use my real name for political/job reasons, much like Ace does. And I don't have an online body of work to refer you to.

So, forgive me my anonymous outburst. There aren't many issues that get under my skin, but animal cruelty is one of them.

Fo' ears, and not a damn one got eaten. This fight was bullshit.

At the risk that another joke bay be zinging past me, I don't think "prurient" means what Fake Name thinks it means.

The thing that bothered me most about this thread was Bill's request that Ace send him the IP address of a commenter that bothered/disagreed with him.

Why so quick to have Ace sell out one of his readers Bill? So you can use his IP address to pre-emptively "stifle his dissent" should he ever wish to sully your blog with his presence?

Seems like something the Chicoms would do.

Jack, to stay slightly on topic, animals in cages can't help themselves.

There is a show on Discovery I think (might be the one mentioned above) where they pit mechanical animals against each other.

A Grizzly Bear does indeed beat the crap out of a Bengal Tiger. The power in its jaws and arms is far too much for a big cat.

The thing that bothered me most about this thread was Bill's request that Ace send him the IP address of a commenter that bothered/disagreed with him.

Why so quick to have Ace sell out one of his readers Bill? So you can use his IP address to pre-emptively "stifle his dissent" should he ever wish to sully your blog with his presence?

1. Er, I was half-serious?

2. To the extent I am serious, my thrust is that it's fairly frustrating to field nasty insults from someone who is completely anonymous, and doesn't even have a track record under a particular anonymous handle.

In contrast, for example, I have no idea who "BrewFan" is in real life (who I disagree with very strongly), but I know who "BrewFan" is. BrewFan has an established identity and at least has the balls to offer opinions and commentary under a known identity. I think he even posts a real e-mail address!

In contrast, " ", calling me a [insert profane invective] is a gutless pussy whose real world equivalent is someone that punches people in the back of the head in a crowded bar and then slinks back into the crowd after getting his kicks.

Thus, my call for an IP address has nothing to do with someone disagreeing with me, as you claim like an absolute fucking idiot, and everything to do with someone disagreeing with me with random, nasty personal atacks, from a position of completely random anonymity.

Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to make another ridiculously extrapolative statement about what "bother[s] you most?"

Go ahead, I can explain things to you all day. I'm here to serve.

Hey Sue,

THE SCHIAVO STUFF WAS ALSO ON MY OWN BLOG

AS WELL AS THIS ONE

I LIKE TO COMMENT ON BLOGS

IT'S FUN!

HEY

WAIT A MINUTE

WHY DON'T YOU COMMENT ON YOUR OWN BLOG?

OH, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE?

BUT BY YOUR STANDARD, SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE ONE?

YOU KNOW, AND SHOULDN'T YOU BE COMMENTING ON IT INSTEAD OF A BLOG THAT'S NOT YOURS?

I'LL EVEN SET YOU UP WITH A BLOGSPOT ADDRESS, LICKETY-SPLIT!

"Go ahead, I can explain things to you all day. I'm here to serve."

Heh.

This is a good a point as any to clarify: when I called you an insufferable prick a few days ago, it wasn't intended as an insult. Quite the contrary.

Not that you noticed, I'm sure. If you're not a blog, you're little people.

Mine, at 2:39 pm:

I apologize. I don't use my real name for political/job reasons, much like Ace does. And I don't have an online body of work to refer you to. So, forgive me my anonymous outburst.

... followed by Bill's at 3:18 pm:

In contrast, " ", calling me a [insert profane invective] is a gutless pussy whose real world equivalent is someone that punches people in the back of the head in a crowded bar and then slinks back into the crowd after getting his kicks.

"When did I attempt to deprive anyone of anything?"

Uh, anyone=the rest of us, anything=the link, and you admit it...

"I didn't follow the link, and I don't intend to. If Ace thinks I'm right, he'll take it down. If not, he'll keep it up."

...here.

"Or maybe he'll flame me. Or maybe he'll get loaded and go to Vegas. Who knows? Ace can take care of himself."

Yes he CAN, so he doesn't need someone telling him what he should or shouldn't put up on his site.

Later,
bbeck

Thus, my call for an IP address has nothing to do with someone disagreeing with me, as you claim like an absolute fucking idiot, and everything to do with someone disagreeing with me with random, nasty personal atacks, from a position of completely random anonymity

Cut through your own bullshit, Bill. Would you have called for an IP address if the poster had said with sincerity "that Ardolino is a great guy! He's the fucking best blogger there is and every one of you morons is not worthy to read his posts!"

Highly doubtful. The substance and tone of the guys remarks are what got to you, not his anonymity.

Calling for the reveal of someone's IP address (which you can't get on your own unless they go to your blog) is nothing more than an attempt to bully and intimidate someone who, like it or not, chooses to post anonymously.

Don't like personal attacks from anonymous posters! Then ignore it. Most people do, you know. That's why posts attributed to "October" or to ":" are generally overlooked.

But once again, you prove yourself to be little more than the "Oliver Willis of the Libertarian Right" in both substance and demeanor. I wonder who has banned more posters? I bet it's pretty close.

OK. Bear takes the first 3 rounds, with some good rights and an ability to get stay away from the lion, who has a decided leverage advantage, on the ropes. Next 3 rounds, hard to say, but I'll give 'em to the lion 2-1. Bear takes next three rounds, with some savage left-right combos. Sweet, sweet hook. Final 3 rounds, lion comes on like, well, a lion. The bear is tiring, and the lion knocks him to the canvas, twice. Some nice work by the bear's corner. I thought the bear was in real trouble and it looks like he was saved by the bell. If this one had gone on for another round, another minute, the lion may well have put the bear away for good. But that's why they keep time. Winner, in a decision sure to make our leonine friends in the crowd angry, the bear, in a 8-4 decision. Next up, the red-maned wolf.

bbeck, what, are you his mother?

If Ace takes this disgusting cockfight of a link down, then he would be the one "depriving" you of this content. Unless I use my Rovian mind control powers, or send in the jackbooted thugs to kick down the door to Ace's hovel, I'm just one guy, talking.

You sound like a Hollywood airhead complaining about censorship, when it's really just plain old criticism.

See? Instinct triumphs. You put the animal into a certain situation, it will always react the same way. Poking it with a harmless stick elicits the same "fight or flight" response that a full fledged attack does.

The animal is not sentient or rational. It only knows that something has encroached on its territory, and that object must be attacked or fled from until it is no longer a threat.

In defense, the animal attempts to appear as large and intimidating as possible to scare the trespasser away. This is true especially among smaller animals, who must be especially ferocious towards more powerful opponents to survive.

LOL! Sue, I see exactly what you mean.

Ah, sweet Sunshine Sue. So sure of herself. Friend to those who cannot speak for themselves. A joy to be around.

Yesterday, I learned there was a Mule that can kick both their asses.

BBeck get snippy
Bill wants an IP address
Time for flame haiku!

Bear and lion fight
So Ace readers do, as well
This is gonna rock

Lampshade, I don't know what fight you were watching. The lion took it to the bear, dominating from start to finish. Score it 10 rounds to 2, lion.

Bill's bleak life, always
demanding our attention.
Desperate for love.

A contrarian?
A utilitarian?
Anything for love.

Yeah in that Animal Face off the bear kicked butt. I think the decision usually goes to the larger animal. I think that's why they have weight classes.

Ace is fascinated with dumb animals going at it, but when it is a bit more equal like -- wild animal against man, he's squeamish.

Sure, I have a phobia about being eaten alive by wild animals, but at least when I confront my phobia there is a chance I learn something about how to avoid becoming bear shit. I don't just get my jollys watching animals getting tortured and eaten and then try to justify it.

Ain't gonna be no rematch.

Don't want one.

Let's review:

1. The bear won. There's no room for argument.

2. Of course there are no alligators in Yellowstone. It's the Everglades that are full of bison.

3. Admit it -- we'd all throw our scruples aside and pay good money to see Oliver Willis battle to death with a giant Nile Monitor lizard. (Most of us would stick around to watch Oliver eat the lizard.)

4. You may disagree with Bill's position on the Schiavo controversy, you may disdain his frequently intemperate demeanor during those discussions, but no reasonable person can claim his views were unprincipled or devoid of ethical considerations.

5. There is nothing ominous about Bill requesting an IP address. Indeed, it is a signal honor around here to be considered for membership in the AOSHQ Banned By Bill Association, which I believe is now approaching about 20 members. Fake Name, you should immediately seize this opportunity by emailing Bill in order to qualify for this august organization. Although, I must caution you that you will be considered a junior member now that his blog is nearly defunct.

6. Scott's theory that the fracas was accidental is quite plausible. I just can't imagine Korean zookeepers (or zookeepers anywhere) doing this intentionally. I hope that's the case.

It's worth noting that these animals are expensive (Korean bears in the wild are extremely rare; they are farmed in captivity for their bile), and there's no evidence that this event was staged to make enough money to justfy putting them at risk.

bbeck, what, are you his mother?

Hey there, Genius, I'm not the one scolding Ace like he did something wrong.

If Ace takes this disgusting cockfight of a link down, then he would be the one "depriving" you of this content.

Obviously, if Ace had a problem with posting it, he wouldn't have posted it in the first place. You're just trying to get him to reverse a position he's already taken. Shut up about it already.

Unless I use my Rovian mind control powers, or send in the jackbooted thugs to kick down the door to Ace's hovel, I'm just one guy, talking.

You're just one guy, whining, A LOT. And sometimes people just get tired of someone whining, A LOT, and delete a link to stop the whining, A LOT.

You sound like a Hollywood airhead complaining about censorship, when it's really just plain old criticism.

And you sound like a moron who couldn't tell the difference between censorship and criticism if they were strippers -- cheap, for your benefit -- and you paid them to sit on your face and wiggle.

You've given your criticism, now go pat yourself on the back and shut it.

Later,
bbeck

Because Bill expressed his admiration and respect for my principled take (and always correct when contrasted with his) on the issues of the day I'm going to offer a peace pipe in the form of a technical tip to save him time and money. Bill, add the following to your list of banned IP's:

*.*.*.*

See? You'd get to this point eventually so there's no point wasting time!

If Ace weren't interested in the delicate interplay of opposing ideas, then the comments sections wouldn't exist here. Or to change some words in bbeck's last (just to pick on her): "Obviously, if [Sully] had a problem with [begging for cash for gold-plated bandwidth], he wouldn't have [begged for cash] in the first place. You're just trying to get him to reverse a position he's already taken. Shut up about it already."

Michael, I don't see how this could likely have been an accident. And just because the narration/chyrons are in Asian (tm bostonirish) doesn't mean the video actually was filmed there. Could be from anywhere.

On the other hand, I've been reading here for a looonnnngggg time and this is the first time Ace has put up a post I thought was unnecessary, so that's a damned good ratio. Just hope cockfighting is not next.

Here's a wonderful animal video where no animal gets hurt. It's not NSFW; it's just labeled and titled like it is, so I suppose that makes it NSFW after all. Second-funniest thing on the site (where the humor unfortunately ranges to the unfortunately pedestrian "Bush is funny because he's dumb" meme), after the Lord of the Rings trailer.

http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0206/rkelly/

What I found most interesting was that the bear was the aggressor in this fight. You could tell the lion didn't want to fight and was willing to let the bear stay in the same cage with him. The bear would have none of it though, and went after the lion. Once the lion was attacked, it fought back, and fought back well, much better than I thought it would. Then again, it was only a black bear.

Once the lion bloodied the bear's nose and the bear had enough of the fight, the fight was over and the two went to their respective corners, so to speak.

the delicate interplay of opposing ideas

Huh?

Do you think you're at the Becker-Posner blog?

Actually, I found this informative. It is very instructive of Ace to let people know that this sort of thing does happen. Remember Walt Disney's White Wilderness when the lemmings went over the cliff? That does not happen in nature. They had a hand.

Or to change some words in bbeck's last (just to pick on her): "Obviously, if [Sully] had a problem with [begging for cash for gold-plated bandwidth], he wouldn't have [begged for cash] in the first place. You're just trying to get him to reverse a position he's already taken. Shut up about it already."

Yay, another chance to roll my eyes.

First we get this link compared to child porn, now we have it compared to Andrew Sullivan cheating his readers (which is very possibly even a lower comparison).

You get curse words and obscenities of ALL sorts here quite often, but two animals get in a cage match and watch the FUR fly...in more ways than one.

People here aren't even criticizing his position, they're criticizing his decision to link to something they don't like. So, don't like it, don't follow the link. End of story.

Later,
bbeck

What the hell is the point of the internet if not to watch lions fight bears? (Besides porn I mean.) Hell, that's all the Roman's did, head out for some L v. B action. Man must watch. It's a lion fighting a bear for christ's sake.

Are the lion's quick claws gonna dominate, bunch of little scratches? Is the bear gonna stand up on it's legs and roar like they do in all the movies, then, like, leap at it? Have we become so civilized we can't sit down and draw pleaure from animals fighting anymore? This needed to be here. You needed to know. Don't beat yourself up over it.

Have we become so civilized we can't sit down and draw pleaure from animals fighting anymore? This needed to be here. You needed to know. Don't beat yourself up over it.

Hmm.

The gladiatorial games and animal contests of the Roman empire were sponsored by despots like Nero to curry favor with a violence-besotted public, which had become an unruly rabble. They are universally regarded as evidence of a degenerate civilization whose ethical core had rotted, and which would not long survive.

Where do you draw the line? Cockfights? Lion vs. Bear? Spear vs. Trident? Unarmed Christian vs. Lion?

Where do you draw the line? Cockfights? Lion vs. Bear? Spear vs. Trident? Unarmed Christian vs. Lion?

Oh, I'd give the Christian a weapon. But really, Daniel didn't need one.

Later,
bbeck

Draw lines? Turn off your big brain - a lion and bear are fighting. Why is there a next step involving humans? Man that's fucked up. Would the man even have a sword? A knife? A shield? C'mon, you gotta give him a shield, otherwise it's like 3 seconds, tops. Claws extend, swipe, it's over. Boring.

Hey, has anyone ever done that hunting a human deal, like that one story? I remember seeing an incredible hulk on that once. I just sat there waiting for Bixby to get mad, and of course, he did. But not til way late. I can see why they waited, otherwise the stories over, but get real. Some crazy guy brings me to his island, then tells me he's gonna hunt me? Second he says that to me, boom, HULK. I'd be pissed right there.

Bixby was pretty even tempered come to think of it. People'd be givin him shit, but he wouldn't hulk out til way late. It's kinda lucky it was him and not some hothead that got hit wiht the Hulk rays, although, now that I think of it, that might have been better - if the Hulk guy was really a sort of fly off the handle dick. The show'd be about people trying not to piss him off, but then some body clumsy would spill Diet Pepsi on him and flip out and tear his legs off. Sweet.

Really classy, Ace. This is definitely a new low for you. I'm glad to see it took about 0.3 seconds for everyone to see through your bullshit "the damage is done already so it's OK to post it" argument. Nice try though, dumbass.

So bbeck is actually another name Ace posts under, right? Because, seriously, nobody could kiss his ass that much for real, right?

I bet I coulda kicked that bear's ass.

Unless...y'know...it was some chick at a bar.

End of story.

What is it with you and the last-word thing?

shut it

Make me.

Russell Crowe...would you be equipped with a cell-phone or not?

After all, it might affect the outcome. I don't want to cast a bet without knowing this important fact.

Actually, I found this informative. It is very instructive of Ace to let people know that this sort of thing does happen. Remember Walt Disney's White Wilderness when the lemmings went over the cliff? That does not happen in nature. They had a hand.

So, Pinky, you saying Ace had a hand in this? I said that boy has been acting weirder than usual lately.

So bbeck is actually another name Ace posts under, right? Because, seriously, nobody could kiss his ass that much for real, right?

Well, he does have a cute ass.

Draw lines? Turn off your big brain - a lion and bear are fighting. Why is there a next step involving humans? Man that's fucked up.

Well, if you weren't a half-wit, you would have noticed by now that there is always a next step. People get jaded, and move on to the next thrill. That's the real reason why cock-fighting is illegal. We're not worried about the birds. We're worried about us. We just don't want to get started down that road.

Only problem I saw with the "Animal Faceoff" game is the ridiculous hyping of the lion. The only animal the lion doesn't beat in a fight on their quick match up is the elephant. I would say from the video, seeing that a black bear fought one to a draw, that their analysis may be somewhat unreliable.

I don't see any problem with cockfights, since my experience with chickens leads me to believe they rate somewhere below asperagus in intelligence.

Translation please.

That was a draw.

When's the grudge match?

there were definitely two fighting styles there, the bear was definitely the instigator, the curious/aggressive canid starting shit where there might not have been any.
But once the lion got good and pissed, it was ON.

Glad it wasn't gory except for the bloodied snouts.

Hubby did a little search on the net; turned up that the lion suffered a significant leg injury and died.

bitch didn't respect me.

I made my wife's cat watch this as a warning about what happens the next time it jumps on my chest at 3:00 a.m.

That's an Asian bear, you can tell because of the white mark on its chest. They actually farm these bears in China for their gall bladders.

Lion vs. Bear
Cougar vs. Mule
Baby vs. Pedophile

So what's on today's AoS fight card?

I didn't see it. But I question the timing.

Pinky, talk all you want about the lemmings going over the cliff, but you missed the BIG PICTURE conspiracy in that Disney movie.

If you look closely (I mean REAL closely), you'll see that every lemming plummeting to his death was equipped with a fully-intact little lemming foreskin. Apparently all the JOOOOOOOOOO lemmings knew in advance that they should take "Cliff Day" off. Hmmm, which JOOOOOOOO intelligence service could have convinced millions of lemmings to kill themselves, subsequently giving Halliburton cover to steal their permafrost & lichen? Could it be..........THE MOSSAD?

\cedarford off\