Let's make a deal with the bunny-squeezers: we'll let all the cute and fluffy rats out of their cages in various research labs, and replace them with dirtbags like this guy. In return, the'll convince their buddies in the ACLU to STFU.

From a scientific standpoint, I'm not sure we'd be gaining much by testing on animals lower down the food chain. But man, it'd be cathartic.

I'm with you. The world will be a much, much better place without this motherfucker around wasting oxygen.

I have a 1-year old daughter. Any piece of shit that even attempted this would be in resting in many, many small pieces.

Holy shit. Torture the sonofabitch, then kill him. Make it last a long long time.

"Is VonKreedon really going to argue that this babyfucking monster shouldn't get a painless little injection of liquid death?"

I don't know about VonKreedon, but I'll argue it. It most definitely shouldn't be painless. Execution via paper-shredder, now that I can accept.

Can someone explain to me why torture is so bad again?

Red hot p0kers and electrodes would seem the way to go here.

I'd be willing to settle for life imprisonment for this creature, as long as it was guaranteed that every day he was anally violated by large muscular African-Americans.

God is the ultimate judge of these sort of cases. And our constitution guarrantees the right to a speedy trial. It is societies obligation to get him before that judge as quickly as possible.

Nope. Make the bad man go bye-bye.
Sooner the better.

Ace and all of you commenters above:

I'm a mom, and I love seeing you guys talk this way. Seriously. Nothing is more moving than a bunch of men wanting to protect the innocent and helpless.

Kind of sexy. Or maybe it's just the Gallo Hearty Burgundy talking.

Actually, when one considers the results of baby-raping (or even rape of an adult), physical abuse, etc., on the victim, it seems to me that murder is at least two, maybe even three or four steps down the "punishable by death" ladder.

For those who are against the death penalty, how 'bout this: throw the sucker in a hole 8' wide by 60' deep. Feed him three squares a day, and make sure he's not too warm, not too cold. When he fills the hole with his own excrement (because that's the kind of life he's sentenced his victim(s) to), he can go free. If he happens to die before then from one of the myriad of diseases born by his excrement, Oh, well!

Any fool who thinks this kind of animal garbage is redeemable by human kindness or effort, we could even have that hole in your back yard.

Get over it. These animals are beyond human redemption. And the 1%, .1%, .01% who aren't, still have a price to pay.

Lauraw posted while I was typing. I know she's not a guy, but she's right, too.

Aye, kill the fucker. Torture him if you have the time. I know I could make the time.

part one of my argument that 'evil' exists in this world.

Stace: It has nothing to do with wanting to "protect the innocent and helpless". It has to do with wanting the government to get involved where it DOES belong, and helping to protect our own families and loved ones, then our friends, then our society. Crude, but that's bottom line.

I find it so amazing the guv'mint is so willing to get so involved in everything EXCEPT what it's there for.

And that's another reason I'm afraid of Miers. We just don't have a clue if she'll roll with the current politicians and give Big Brother more power it doesn't need or deserve, or will begin the uphill battle to get it back to where our Constitution says, very plainly, it belongs.

Meantime, we can undoubtedly thank some bench blue heart for seeing this creep had some socially redeeming value, and released him to rape the baby. I wish the mother could sue him and his government authority (probably the state) for every penny he ever dreamed of gaining, and take two of his vacation homes to boot. Wouldn't make up for what he released on her family, but it would probably get his (and every other judge's) attention.

What was that Charles Bronson movie where he lowered some guy into a big meat grinder? That sounded pretty nifty. I could be down with that.

Then take the remains out and feed the sharks with it.

The thing about the death penalty is, you don't get too many opponents on the side of specific monsters like this one. They tend to take the 10,000 mile high view, and distance themselves from the horrible specifics.
They only come out for a particular person when that person is about to get it. But its still the general principles they talk about, not the case of the person at hand.

They ponitificate sternly from some imaginary moral high ground: "Is it the proper role of society to..."

Uhh...what are we, chopped liver? Who is society? Just you? Just people who agree with you?

In Louisiana, rape of a child under 12 years is punishable by death.

Let me introduce you all to ccadp

They have never met a psycho killer they didn't love. They put up fan webpage for their "boys." Feel free to go there and post in their forum. It's fun!

I am anti-death penalty, mainly because I don’t want humans making decisions about who lives or dies, and also because executing prisoners merely perpetuates the tragic, unending cycle of viol...

You know what? Screw it. Fry this guy.

How does a human being do such a thing?

I agree with all of the above, but feel that it should be taken one step further. The judges and (horrors) the lawyers who are responsible for allowing these "people" to remain in society should also be held accountable. Too often these men are repeat offenders-on probation even-so there have been many chances to get them off the streets. In my opinion, the judges and lawyers are equally guilty.

We have many uninhabitable areas on this planet. I think all child molesters and rapists should be dropped off at one of them. Fly over once a month and drop a box of food off for them. Let them fight for it-maybe kill each other for it. I am not as sure of what the fate for the judges and lawyers should be, however.

This kind of crime happens way too often and as a mother and human being, I am getting so tired of hearing about it. The baby, the babysitter and the parents are going to have to suffer for so long for something that was not their fault at all.

Remember when it only cost $.05 to solve this problem permanently? I miss those days.

Avoid torture and keep the ACLU bastards off our backs. Just drop the guy off in the Southeast mountain ranges between Pakistan and Afghanistan, or just kick him out of the car in downtown Baghdad wearing a F' Osama t-shirt, translated of course.

Obviously, whatever deterrent we have (for child rape) isn't enough. Men (usually) weigh the odds, and figure it's "worth it." We need to up the ante.

" or just kick him out of the car in downtown Baghdad wearing a F' Osama t-shirt, translated of course."

Actually, a "Fuck al-Sadr" shirt would work far better.

I've got bad news for you folks - rape of children this young is not that uncommon.

People who commit acts like this simply forfeit any rights that human beings get because they have forfeited all their humanity. I don't believe the death penalty is much of a deterrent, but I'm a big fan because some people are in dire need of killing. The anti-death penalty do-gooders can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that there are vile creatures wearing human disguises out there, and no amount of counseling or other gooey horseshit is going to stop them from being creatures. Dennis Miller once called it "thinning the herd", and he's right.

I'm opposed to state murder in the form of capital punishment but I would gladly turn this guy over to the kids' parents for disposal. Still, sometimes I get a little annoyed at how quickly and gleefully politicians and others righteously pillory these sick bastards.

They are mentally ill, just like those who hear voices and play with themselves in public. Sure, they are unable to cure themselves and beyond redemption, but that's a symptom of their disease.

Kill them if you want--I would--but all this gleeful righteousness at the expense of a sick person is not terribly appealling as I see it.

Unless it gets Stace all gooey. Then I could see the appeal.

Maybe your definition of "gleeful" is a bit different than mine, but that's not what I'm seeing in these comments.

And frankly I'm sick to death of "aww, but he's sick!" being used as an excuse for every manner of evil. Y'know what? Stalin was sick. Pol Pot was sick. And (Godwin's law be damned), even Hitler was sick if you're ask some people. Once you frame the argument in terms of the criminal being unaccountable for their actions, you (and they) can justify damn near anything they do OTHER than act in a rational, responsible manner.

I'm opposed to the death penalty primarily because of the historical problems, even recent ones, in its application to innocent people. It is the single punishment from which there is no absolutely redress if unjustly applied.

On the other hand, the rates of recidivism for child molesters approach 100%. There is no cure or treatment (whether psychological, chemical or behaviorial) that can work with any certainty, and pedophiles essentially cannot be deterred by threat of punishment, and even after 'treatments' such as chemical (or in earlier days actual) castration still molest children, though the specifics differ.

So if society is unable to engage in sufficent specific deterrence for child molesters, namely life in prison without parole, I am willing to say eff it and dose them up. Death is a highly effective specific deterrence to a pathological, uncontrollable behavior that is exceptionally harmful to defenseless minors.

I hope if my children were molested, that if the perpetrator were not sufficiently punished (and permanently prevented from molesting others), that I would be man enough to take care of matters myself, and suffer the punishment whatever I might do. God willing, for my kids' sake, I'll never get to test my manhood this way.

This sick f*ck does not deserve to live and does not deserve to have me and the rest of tax paying America pay for his ass to rot in prison for life.

Society has two options, either kill this scumbag or pony up and keep him in prison for the rest of his sick life. Any other way and he'll just do it again.

My preference is to have the father rip this sicko's nuts off with his bare hands then stuff them down the rapist's throat until he chokes to death.

Come on, y'all forgetting that this guy is going into the US prison system... I understand the most prisoners (many of whom have kids whom they can't protect) have a very low view toward child molesters. Just make sure he gets mixed into the general prison population and I wouldn't give him 6 months (and it won't be a fun 6 months either)

There are so many wasys to off this POS. I'll list a few.
1)slit his throat
2)feet first into a wood chipper (Saddamize him)
3)tie him to the back of a truck and drag him a few miles
4)hang him
5)burn him
6)drown him
7)feed him to: lions, tigers, bears, phirana, etc...
8)lock him in a room and let him die of thirst
9)put him in a room of parents whose children who have gone through a similar horror
10)drawn and quartered
There are hundres more but why not give others a shot. Lets see how nasty we can get. Top points for creativity.

How does a human being do such a thing?

Human beings don't.

I second LL's point about the recidivism rate for these monsters. Personally, I think capping one should be punishable with a $5 fine. It would help defray the cost of the medal we could pin on the shooter.

"piranha"

First, he only looks human. There are a lot of those around.

Second, glee is not part of the equation, or shouldn't be. Do you rationalize that a rabid raccoon is sick and can't help itself, or do you shoot it before it bites somebody (or somebody else)?

Torture wouldn't help. There's no deterring these deviants--they're both sick and evil. Just kill 'em quick and cheap.

You don't see glee in any of these comments? Seriously? You don't see politicians rushing to climb on this bandwagon because it's a free shot at some guys nobody defends?

And comparing these guys to Pol Pot or Hitler is ludicrous. Their sickness compels them. Nobody makes the same claim of psychopaths like Hitler. Murderous dictators or killers like Bundy have no concept of right and wrong and care less. These guys know it's wrong and do it anyway.

The compulsion, like the act itself, is part of the sickness. It's why they can't be reformed. This is miles away from Pol Pot.

Go ahead, think of some other imaginitive and painful ways to kill these freaks. I don't care and neither does anybody else. But I can't help but notice that nothing fires up a thread with righteous bloodlust like child molesters.

When my father did some jail time (nuclear freeze protesting) he was assigned to the same block as a child molester. They'd put the guy in the "trusty ward" so he'd be less likely to be murdered by fellow inmates while they held him for trial.

Dad said the guy was really, really, really stupid. Borderline mentally retarded, and seemed completely hapless. The guy was dim enough to admit that he was in for molestation, and the rumor was he'd tried to assault a dog as well.

I'm for taking what steps are necessary to make sure these people don't hurt any more children, a humane execution after due process included. But frankly, the bloodthirst on offer in this thread doesn't do us much credit.

Whenever possible, we should stop trusting our government to take care of this problem. It's even more disgusting when we have to count on 'prison justice' to kill the pedophiles because we won't.

We are society and bear the guilt as much as the judges when we let monsters roam the streets. If you catch a criminal in the act, kill them, then call the police.

Spongeworthy,

There is no glee. I also feel there are no-or not enough-politicians trying to do something about these people. These are horrible acts being forced upon children who will have to live with the guilt and shame for the rest of their lives concerning an act that they did nothing to cause. It will affect every member of their families, as well.
The fact that they know it is wrong and can not help themselves only shows that getting them off the streets-in whatever way-permanently is the only way to prevent them from doing this again to someone else.
Once again, they, the judges, and the lawyers who put them on the street AGAIN are all guilty.

The homeless guy was smart enough to lock the bathroom door. If he has enough brain power to do that, then he knows the difference between right and wrong.

And as far a child molester's compulsion to commit these vile acts? Sorry, that doesn't excuse the behavior. You might want to drop by an AA meeting some time for a discussion about compulsion, alcoholism and personal responsiblity.

Put me in the torture camp. If it were my baby, this guy's screams would make angels weep.

Spark, as has been pointed out, he locked the door.

Yeah, people get worked up. Largely because the goddam inept criminal justice system puts these dangerous animals back out on the street and they do it again.

We are rather tired of that shit, thank you very much.

In re: the bloodthirst exhibited by some people on this thread, I think that there are fewer more vile, despicable things that someone can do to another human being than what pedophiles do to children. It naturally evokes an visceral, emotional response.

I can certainly understand that humane and usual punishments may not seem to fit the crime -- or even be in the same neighborhood as the crime -- and I can't fault anyone for wanting bloody vengeance on these animals. While the bloodthirst itself may not do us credit, a complete lack of it would be mysterious.

I think reactions here may come down to the question of whether one believes that criminal punishments should be primarily retributive, reforming, or deterring.

Precisely lapsed leftist. You can hardly blame people for being filled with rage when they perceive an utter innocent being preyed upon. The desire to protect children is instinctive to most adults.

We hear these terrible things, and we are powerless to prevent them. Imagining all the awful retribution you'd wish visited upon the perpetrator is partly a result of frustration.

You know, I used to shake my head & cluck at stories that came from New Jersey, Cali, or Florida where sick twists like this did unspeakable things to kids. "Wow, I'm glad I live in Iowa where things like this just don't happen."

Des Moines is the FREAKIN' capital of Iowa, and this is hardly the first one of these cases to happen lately (there's an unsolved case in NE Iowa from earlier this year, and we've got a case in Eastern Iowa from late last year where the brother of the mother's former live-in molested and killed her daughter - while the former live-in was awaiting trial on charges of molesting the kid a couple of years ago).

FUCK!

Holy crap, if you're not safe from these freaks out here in "Mayberry", there's no safe place on the planet.

As far as offing this guy, let's make it quick & painless. I know society would feel better if these sickos suffered, but we don't have to get savage in order to protect other children from these monsters. A quick bullet in the back of the head, or even one of those bolt-guns they use to kill steers at the packing plants would be just the ticket here.

I'm for reforming drug addicts, vandals, and petty thieves.

I'm for disposing of those who commit violence upon others, particularly the weak.

I'm for torturing to death those who intentionally harm children.

Strange. I keep reading in the mainstream media that support for the death penalty is waning.

Also, in all fairness, I don't think anyone on this thread is saying that the compulsion/sickness/taint of Satan that causes these animals to molest children releases the pedophiles from the mandated punishment. Sparc stipulates that a humane execution, as opposed to torture, may be appropriate.

I also haven't seen anyone saying that pedophiles are reformable.

I deleted the rest of my response after reading Dave in Texas's 10:47 message. He's right, and that's where the dispassionate theory breaks down.

Whatever the cause, there is no way a society can stop churning out these crazed deviants. Unfortunately, there's also no way to determine with anything approaching 100% accuracy who these deviants are until they do something like this. Many appear to be repeat offenders, but generally the crimes for which they were previously incarcerated are not sufficiently grave to warrant life in prison.

Once they do commit a crime like this though, they should never see the outside of a prison again as long as they live. I don't want my son or daughter to be the victim (and frankly, that's one reason I wouldn't allow a babysitter to take my child to the library, or any such place), but I also don't want to be an executioner. I wouldn't pull the trigger on this person, I wouldn't be willing to stick a needle in his arm. Obviously some people feel differently, but I would hope anyone who is for the death penalty has at least considered the question of whether they themselves would be willing to be the executioner. If the answer is "no," I would hope that would give them pause before they ask the state to do the deed for them.

The answer in my case is yes, and it would be an honor.
I admit I may be too soft for it right now; I'd like a bit of training first though, like they give military people.

Actually, come to think of it, that's a bullshit premise.

I mean, nobody questions what it does to a doctor's psyche when he stabs a healthy unborn baby in the head and sucks out its brains, right?

And after all, these are criminals we're talking about.

So the answer is Yes, with no qualifiers.

They are worse than criminals, they are dangerous animals. It's a sappy anology, but Old Yeller was once a beloved family pet. He became something through no fault of his own that was dangerous, uncontrollable, and couldn't be cured. So they shot him.

(I said it was sappy, shut up)

If you want to lock them up for life, fine. But for God's sake can we please stop letting them out?

I wouldn't argue with your choice, Laura, but I also don't think it's an invalid question to ask. I think it's an essential question, because we are the state (theoretically). If the state executes therefore, we are the executioners.

As for abortion doctors, I do think the act affects them deeply, and hardly for the better.

By the way, I have that military training of which you speak. I have no doubt that I am capable of taking human life, and in the right circumstances, I would certainly be willing to do so.

"He became something through no fault of his own that was dangerous, uncontrollable, and couldn't be cured. So they shot him."

Is that the part where you cried?

:)

you didn't cry then?

Awww Dave; dammit, you got me all teared up.

That movie gets me every time.

You know what else makes me almost cry? Extreme Home Makeover.

I'm so married.

you didn't cry then?

Of course not; I'm a man after all. But talk about strange coincidences I seem to recall having my itchy/watery eye allergies flare up right about then.

Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?

Ok. I admit it. I cried when I watched that movie. Stripes that is.

And frankly I'm sick to death of "aww, but he's sick!"

So are rabid racoons...

...and we all know what happens to rabid racoons. There ain't no rabid racoon animal shelters where they live out the rest of their life in peace.

Child molesters and rapists should be publicly hanged.
The argument that it's more expensive to put someone to death than to house them for life (at MY expense, with a roof, 3 squares, TV, etc) is CRAP.
Rope is cheap, and re-usable.
The argument that the death penalty is not a deterrent is correct, but only because of how the system is set up to carry out the penalty.
With at least 14 years between sentence and execution; with appeal after appeal; with the ACLU and others on the side of the scum; yeah, it's no longer a deterrent.
Justice should be swift, and it is just to put these animals down.
If properly enacted, the death penalty would be cheap and become the deterrent that it's supposed to be.
So he's a loon, and not in control of his actions?
Put the animal down.

In cases of child abuse, I am quite sure the majority of the families would be willing to be the executioner. As Uncle Jefe pointed out, it is clearly the Criminal Justice system, not the victim Justice system. The victims get no justice.

Figures. By the time I get back, just about everything that needed saying has been said.

'cept this:

You don't see politicians rushing to climb on this bandwagon because it's a free shot at some guys nobody defends?

Could it be...that it's an indefensible act?

And comparing these guys to Pol Pot or Hitler is ludicrous. Their sickness compels them.

Interesting.

And FYI, I wasn't comparing child molestors directly to Pol Pot or Hitler. I was pointing out the fact that such people could be defended by precisely the same logic; to some, their actions are so monstrous to the standards of the civilized world that they can't be understood as anything but sick. It's fine so long as it's an attempt to rationalize that which would be inconceivable to your average Joe, but it's not fine as a defense.

I'm not overly concerned with motivation, I'm concerned with outcome. And I doubt the victims of these bastards would be comforted by the conclusion that they "just couldn't help themselves".

I can't help but notice that nothing fires up a thread with righteous bloodlust like child molesters.

It never ceases to amaze me that those who proclaim an altruistic desire to defend the most helpless among us so freqently choose the rights of the accused over those of the victim. In the case of full-grown evil batshit insane crazy sick guy vs. baby girl, you're going to take the middle ground?

In this situation, I'll proudly take the "bloodthirsty reactionary" label. Thanks.

There is certainly a disturbing blood lust evinced by many in this thread. Of course such abuse of children is absolutely enraging. Of course should my son be so abused I would be strongly moved to rip open the offenders thorax and feed him his heart. But I trust that I, unlike the offender, would be able to discipline myself.

Another meme in this thread that I disagree strongly with is that these are not humans. Sorry, these are certainly humans, indeed humans are the only animals I'm aware of who engage in pedophilia, I could just be under informed but this is undoubtly human behavior.

Regarding the death penalty for violent repeated pedophilia, I'd object less to this use of the death penalty than for murder for a couple of reasons. One is that the act itself tends to leave DNA evidence that makes the potential for executing the innocent much less. Second, as has been noted the chances of re-offending is near certain after the second offense so society is in fact left with the choice between permanent incarceration and execution.

When you rape a child that young, you do a lot of physical damage. The tissue between the vagina and rectum is ripped away. Sometimes they can't even tell if the kid was raped, sodomized, or both. The pain is excrutiating and if the kid lives, followed by operations. I don't know of the long term physical problems, but I would be surprised if there weren't.

"There is certainly a disturbing blood lust evinced by many in this thread. "

Is blood lust ever justified? Ever not disturbing?

I don't know. I try to be an anti-death penalty type, but cases like this make it very difficult.

vonKreedon,

There is no "bloodlust" involved in dropping a book on a cockroach. Your assertions aside, I suspect the vast majority of public would agree these are just human cockroaches .

BTW, how does your "anything that looks human is human" theory impact on aborting perfectly normal well formed 3rd trimester babies?

The address that he was listed was a shelter. The director was interviewed and expressed shock that he was accused of committing this act. She is also against the new law in Iowa that restricts where these people can live since, according to her, "so few of them ever reoffend."

Ploof - Care to address what I actually said instead of dragging cockroaches and third trimester abortion strawpeople into the discussion?

Regarding dropping books on cockroaches, I would hope that you would be disturbed by someone who expressed pleasure in slowly ripping the legs off of cockroaches before lighting them on fire, which is pretty much in line with the suggestions that we torture violent pedophiles to death.

It would be wise, especially for those of you with kids to check out the sex offender registry often.

Link here

Scott,

That's assuming my state HAS a registry. Oregon's the last state in the union to get an online registry, I can hardly wait until it's online.

So let me get this straight: the fact that it's in a child molestor's nature to attack children makes his actions understandable, while my parental instinct to defend children - a compulsion, if you will - is just gleeful bloodlust?

I don't know what you mean by "a child molestor's nature," but the fact is that this guy's compulsion is almost certainly the result of the fact that he himself was violated as a child.

That's not a reason to shrink from executing him. But to the extent that we consider him sub-human, a cockroach, etc., let's remember that it started when he was the victim.

apotheosis, just terrible arguing there. Worthy of Cindy Sheehan. Take a bow.

Could it be...that it's an indefensible act?

Yes, it could. Pin a rose on you. No one's defending it. Maybe we should find a thread somewhere and tell everybody how strongly we not defend it.

It's gleeful bloodlust when you feel compelled to tell us just what torments your mind is capable of producing for these sick fucks. And why not? It's easy because no one defends them. Hell, you don't even have to think about it.

And no one's raising an insanity defense, either. Never did. I just don't understand the righteousness that comes with putting down a sick animal. Never did.

And I doubt the victims of these bastards would be comforted by the conclusion that they "just couldn't help themselves".

No kidding? Then by all means get on the Web and tell us all what you'd do to these bastards. That's got to be a comfort to their victims, right?

No one's defending these guys by facing the cold reality that they suffer from a disease. A disease that compels them beyond what we would understand as desire or want. I fail to see the value in trumpeting your hate for a sick animal.

No one's taking the middle ground about wishing these guys off the planet--I'm simply not enjoying as much as the rest of you. You go ahead and stay all righteous about your desire to kill sick animals and I'll stay here in reality-land, where the disposal of sick creatures is a distasteful if necessary act.

"Actually, when one considers the results of baby-raping (or even rape of an adult), physical abuse, etc., on the victim, it seems to me that murder is at least two, maybe even three or four steps down the "punishable by death" ladder."

When a single murder victim can go through therapy and put his life back together again, I'll go along with that. Till then, not so much.

I have no problem with the death penalty for child molesters - if we also put to death every single person guilty of murder. Doesn't seem right to let any of them live while executing those that didn't kill anybody. Treating any other crime than murder as worse than murder is also a good way to ensure that more criminals take care to eliminate their victims/witnesses, which is hardly the result we're looking for.

It's gleeful bloodlust when you feel compelled to tell us just what torments your mind is capable of producing for these sick fucks. And why not? It's easy because no one defends them.

You know why so many people react that way? Because they do live in the "real world", chum. A "real world" in which we do have to act like civilized humans, and in which we don't engage in the sort of shit we talk about in threads like this.

And in return for being good little citizens and playing by society's rules, we get to see assholes like the one in this story all-too-frequently released back into the world. For "good behavior", for a legal technicality, for whatever reason. It's maddening, it's frustrating, and for those of us with kids, it's absolutely goddamned terrifying.

We know, each and every one of us, that it could be our kid next time. You can't watch them every second, and a second is all it takes and they're gone. And since the majority of real sex offenders don't skulk around nice neighborhoods in trenchoats bulging with candy, you have to accept that any one of your pleasant, unassuming neighbors could be that Bad Guy you're worried about. That's the sort of shit that sends a parent up at 3am in a cold sweat.

What you're seeing here is frustration that too often, the system doesn't take these assholes out of the game. You're kept on the constantly on the defensive, worried about everyone your kids come in contact with, knowing you've got damned poor odds of stopping an unknown but very real threat. Who the hell wouldn't dream of tipping the odds a little more in their favor?

So if I mistakenly assume you're making an insanity defense, I'll apologize for that. It's a knee-jerk reaction to how most pleas of that sort start out - "the poor dear is just sick, ergo, you shouldn't hold his actions against him."

But I can't, and won't, apologize for wishing every form of very painful death on people who'd hurt kids.

Oh yeah, and this case wouldn't have even happened if some doofuses (doofii?) hadn't handed down a mere 3 year sentence for raping someone at knifepoint. (At least according to what I heard on Fox News yesterday)

We don't have the death penalty for people with voices in their heads, we don't torture guys who whack it in public. These molesters are crazy like those people.

I just don't buy that they are the manifestation of evil like the rest of you seem to. (Though there must be some evil fucks who do mess with kids because they are evil, I am referring to those who know it's wrong and cannot control themselves. The evil ones I would torture and laugh about it.) I believe them to be ill and irrecoverable--they simply cannot be stopped short of permanent incarceration or surgical alteration.

Which is fine by me. In fact, if they have to be put down to be stopped just do it. But don't do it from some lofty self righteous perch somewhere.

And don't pretend anybody who isn't enjoying it as much as you is defending molestation. By the same logic, I could argue that a few of you guys protest too much, if you know what I'm saying.

So why are they still allowing sex offenders out of prison like this he should get life in prison or just hang him and get it over with

We don't have the death penalty for people with voices in their heads, we don't torture guys who whack it in public. These molesters are crazy like those people.

And as for "evil", I'm not a particularly religious person and I don't attribute their behavior to "Satan". To me, that's almost as much a copout as calling them sick; a way of attributing their actions to an influence they can't control and, to a greater or lesser degree, aren't responsible for.

When I say "evil", it's an expression for the kind of malevolent thought process I simply can't grasp or quantify any other way.

Spongeworthy, chemical or surgical alteration does not stop these monsters. They still sexually assault children even if the equipment doesn't work.

What's being completely overlooked in this discussion is that, as I understand it, child molestation most often occurs within a family or with a close friend or associate of the family. Homeless men assaulting little girls in the library are sensational, but the exception to the rule. It's usually uncles, brothers, neighbors, or -- and this is the most unfathomable to me -- fathers.

It's usually uncles, brothers, neighbors, or -- and this is the most unfathomable to me -- fathers.

Kinda hard to imagine how the kid would ever be able to trust anyone after that.

I think that those who view some of this as 'gleeful bloodlust' are confusing the visceral verbal reactions of outrage that we're hearing, for glee.
It's hard to put into words for most without coming across as gleeful, perhaps, but most of us probably are feeling the same dark impulses that even the meekest feel, those which lurk deep within us and are seldom reached. We are so jaded in this age, so desensitized to blood, gore, beheadings, rape, etc etc, that most of it passes by in a headline or soundbite, and is just another distant curiosity.
But this rings a bell, and awakens something ancient and instinctual in all of us.
Is it evil that we feel?
I don't know.
But it is so wrong, so unacceptable, that it must be removed, must be pulverized into atomic form and dispersed in the dust.
These acts are performed by those for which there is no cure, and furthermore, they perpetuate through generations.
Is it for this that the other inmates so viciously attack the pedophiles and rapists among them?
For so many of them are also victims of this behavior, and perhaps recognize that this is part of the reason that they ended up where they are today.

We don't have the death penalty for people with voices in their heads, we don't torture guys who whack it in public. These molesters are crazy like those people.

Not under the law and not under psychiatry.

Just heard on the radio that in California it is against the law for a landlord to refuse to rent to a sex offender. It is also against the law to inform one's tenants there is a sex offender in the building. We're talking $25k fines.

We have three socialists who run our state legislature. One big old fat dyke, Jackie Goldberg, one gay guy Mark Leno from SF who's always arguing for sex offender rights (I'm sure the gay community loves that) and some other asshat who's name escapes me.

This use to be a decent state. WTF happened???

This man is vile and the story is horrifying. But, when assigning criminal punishments we need to keep motivation and consequences in mind. If someone like this were to kidnap and rape your daughter, you would still want her to come home alive. But, if the punishment for rape is worse than that for murder, the monster is certain to kill her and hide the body. If he lets her go he's far more likely to be caught.

Sadly, given the frequency of prison rape, especially of pedophiles, many already think the punishment is worse than that for murder. And nobody has to tell you when you have an ex-con murderer next door.

The sensational cases get the most press, but sadly children are most often sexually assualted by people they know: relatives and friends.

How any man could sexually attack his own child is beyond me, but I have several friends who have survived such assaults.

We live in a fallen, fallen world, where evil thrives. May the Lord Jesus return soon.

I'd take the slowly agonizing, singularly personal and embarrasing route to death for this bi-pedal "thing".

Long, hot Jaccuzzi with about three pounds of finely ground glass added to the soapy, swirling water.

The Hot Tub should be part of an outdated nuclear reactor vessel. It's metal saturated with residue and waste.

Then watch to see which kills the creature first.

Cancer
Radiation Sickness/Poisoning
Internal/External Bleeding.

Just a though.

Jack.

But, if the punishment for rape is worse than that for murder, the monster is certain to kill her and hide the body.

Uh, no. There was a study on increased punishment in sex crimes years ago because of that fear. It didn't pan out.

someone who expressed pleasure in slowly ripping the legs off of cockroaches before lighting them on fire

Find me a vicious pedophile cockroach first, then we can have that discussion.

"I just don't buy that they are the manifestation of evil . . ., I am referring to those who know it's wrong and cannot control themselves."

Not being able to control yourself doesn't rule out being evil. If evil exists, it's a potential within us all, whether original sin or predatory instict. Those who ignore the monster-voice = not evil. Those who just can't help themselves = evil.

What I don't want to do, that I do. Eville. As if it were the fru-it of the dev-ille.

Lauraw wrote:

The thing about the death penalty is, you don't get too many opponents on the side of specific monsters like this one. They tend to take the 10,000 mile high view, and distance themselves from the horrible specifics.
They only come out for a particular person when that person is about to get it. But its still the general principles they talk about, not the case of the person at hand.

They ponitificate sternly from some imaginary moral high ground: "Is it the proper role of society to..."

Well, yes, that's right. But the general principles are the more important ones; absent principles, we live solely by reacting to immediate impulses only. When it comes to the law, such would have no law, but simple vigilante justice.

Is Mr Effler a scumbag? Yup, sure is! Does he deserve whatever happens to him? Yup, sure does!

But, should we kill him, or just lock him away in jail for the rest of his life? I'd say, lock him up and throw away the key.

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