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September 16, 2005

Charge: Able Danger Mohammad Atta Papers Destroyed On Orders

Yeah, if I ID'd Mohammad Atta as an Al Qaeda operative years before 9/11 and didn't follow up, I guess I'd cover up my tracks, too.

Thanks to PrismWarden.


posted by Ace at 05:22 PM
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Interesting, but a little like "the dog ate my homework."

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick on September 16, 2005 05:24 PM

Ants in his pants.

Posted by: someone on September 16, 2005 05:31 PM

Just won't go away... Pentagon response will be "this was just normal procedure after a program is shut down.

It's not (not long enough), so that won't work.

And is it just me, or is anybody else bugged that reporters do not seem to understand there are two sets of "documents", paper, and electronic. I mean for crying out loud, the writer says "as much as 1/4 of all the printed material in the Library of Congress". If everybody in the D-ring started destroying that much paper, they'd be at it for 2 years.

sheesh.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on September 16, 2005 05:38 PM

2.5 terabytes? My BS detector just redlined.

Posted by: Pixy Misa on September 16, 2005 06:29 PM

2.5 terabytes? My BS detector just redlined.

Raw data? Sure. Depends on what you're looking for. If you were scanning every image on the net for steganographic messages you could burn a lot of storage pretty quick.

One largish EMC mainframe SCSI array full of Seagate Elites from that era would easily be 2.5T.

I bought 100 9G Elites a few years ago that came out of a single decommissioned EMC array somewhere in Nebraska. Nice drives - 50 year MTBF

Posted by: Tony on September 16, 2005 07:31 PM

In 1998, a year's worth of Wal-Mart's sales transaction data, by store, by item, was 3.2 Tb

Posted by: Dave in Texas on September 16, 2005 07:33 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting fairly tired of the 911 Commission, the Jersey girls, etc. I caught the latest bit on CSPAN, where the whole dang group concluded that Able Danger "just didn't happen."

Then, to top it off, they complained about gov't delays in Katrina, something they were a very large part of creating. Give me a break, go away.

Posted by: robert on September 16, 2005 08:21 PM

One would be VERY impressed at how fast we can shred/burn bag stuff.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on September 16, 2005 08:54 PM

"Sandy Hamburgler was unavailable for comment."

Posted by: Tman on September 16, 2005 09:23 PM

I'm not saying that they don't have 2.5 terabytes of data.

Shit, I have 2.5 terabytes of data.

I'm saying that someone suggesting he destroyed 2.5 terabytes of data relating to Mohammad Atta raises a red flag for me.

Posted by: Pixy Misa on September 17, 2005 12:31 AM

I think its entirely possible that the analysis that ultimately LED to Atta could have involved 2.5T if you included all the dead-ends the process wound up sorting through.

By that, I mean the specific data sources that would be necessary to reproduce the result in the exact same manner it was generated.

Posted by: Tony on September 17, 2005 01:28 AM

As far as I know, 2.5 TB was the database for the whole Able Danger project, not just Atta.

The Feds have access to all phone records. One thing they might have done is to load all calls placed and received, then look for links and patterns to the phone numbers for known terrorists, or suspect locations like Pakistan or Hamburg.

They would have done the same with air & bus tickets, credit cards, passport visas, email patterns, etc.

This is what they said they did, load a bunch of data, then sort through it with a sophisticated mining tool they had developed.

Under these circumstances, 2.5 TB seems low, if anything.

Posted by: robert on September 17, 2005 04:37 AM

I got yer 2.5 terrabytes right here.

Posted by: Sandy Berger's Pants on September 17, 2005 08:58 AM

your mom is 2.5 terabytes

Posted by: sentinel on September 17, 2005 08:32 PM

Well the good news is that once the unredacted CIA 9-11Report is made available, we'll all be able to make up our own minds.

What? Porter Goss doesn't want to release it?

Oh. Never mind.

Posted by: tubino on September 18, 2005 08:28 AM

That's because its classified you fucking moron.

Oh, I forgot, you're on the side of the splodydopes, so giving them a peek at our classified shit is a GOOD THING.

Posted by: on September 18, 2005 02:48 PM

Tubino:

Come on - the article doesn't say anything about which way Porter Goss is leaning. He's already given congress the classified version, and is now weighing their request for an unclassified version. Sounds like business as usual unless he refuses.

The article also says that the report casts Tenet in an unfavorable light. I think that's fine with everybody on the right: we have no love for Tenet or his performance.

One of Bush's biggest managerial flaws is that he values loyalty over competence.

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