I already sent CNN a "suggestion" suggesting this inadvertent omission [*snort*] be reported.

Its easy - there's an online web page to send the treasonous vermin comments.

Wonder if they thought about trying objective reporting. Nah. They didn't.

Kinsley not Kaus? Me thinks I smell some loosy goosy smelly stuff!

Michael Kinsley = Mickey Kaus = MK = same person

I've heard this storytelling meme before. Quite a few months ago, some other media person was talking about "storytelling" but, I don't remember. who. That is what the LAT does. These long two or three full page stories with the last paragraph containing the important facts and which contradict the previous 100 paragraphs.

I wish I could remember who was talking about story telling. Do they think this is the way msm is going to go? Blogs for facts. msm for "stories"?

Speaking of storytelling, this "The Flight that Fought Back" documentary is outstanding.

Kaus has been on storytelling for a long time, since Klein made the statement that CNN would go for "storytelling."

I've mentioned it here and there.

Lead from MSNBC story on Bush's visit to New Orleans:

NEW ORLEANS - President Bush, eager to show hands-on leadership in the Gulf Coast hurricane recovery effort, joined commanders working from a military ship docked in this flooded city on Sunday.

From story about Landrieu's criticisms:

Bush often talks about Sept. 11 when he is under public scrutiny, and Sunday’s anniversary was a natural occasion to reminisce about the attacks as he faces criticism for a slow government response to the hurricane and subsequent flooding. In his radio address, he drew similarities to the two catastrophes that hit the United States four years apart.

Stupid assholes.

Stupid. F'in. Assholes.

Ace, the LA Times article to which you linked is authored by Kinsley and not Kaus. Hence the 3rd and 4th posts related to that.

Aw, shit.

This documentary is so good, I'm tearing up.

Dammit all to hell.

If you have Discovery, they're going to repeat it at 11 p.m.

Laddy,

First I didn't know what you were talking about, but yeah, I did accidentally write "Kaus" when I meant "Kinsley," because I knew I was going to talk about Kaus later on.

Thanks.

O/T

Just got done watching the Flight 93 documentary. I commented earlier in another thread about what a great country we have; its because of people like those on that plane.

I thought the documentary was outstanding.

I, um, teared up (okay, cried a little) when the guy whose wife was three months pregnant talked about what he lost. My wife is three month pregnant right now, and I can't imagine losing her and my kid.

Man, that was good. I'm glad I recorded it.

yeah.

It was a good documentary.

The passengers were such nice people. Like, just really really nice people. And they rose to the occasion. They stayed cool under tremendous pressure, and then did what they did in the remote hope that they might live to see another day. But they mostly did it in the more realistic expectation that they were in fact sacrificing themselves for our sake.

They deserve a better memorial than that stupid red crescent.

At least this documentary was a start.

They deserve a better memorial than that stupid red crescent.

Amen to that.

When I was a kid, "storytelling" was synonymous with "lying."

Pay attention to these facts:

1) Bush lied about why we went to Iraq.
(read "the price of loyalty")

2) There were no WMD's.

3) He's giving tax breaks to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

4) He's done NOTHING to fix the most bloated, inefficient health care system in the modern world.

5) His medicare bill has a specific provision that PROHIBITS a medicare representative from negotiating with drug companies for lower drug prices. Wow.

5) His administration cost many American lives by responding so poorly to the devastation in Louisiana.

6) He's done next to nothing (and look at the numbers in the energy bill on this) to really invest in renewable energy which makes economic sense, it makes sense for future generations, and it makes sense to keep up from relying on foreign oil.

7) His Republican FCC chairman tried to relax legislative rules which would have allowed for further consolidation in the media industry - leading to even fewer companies owning all the major media in the country. Right now we've got about five.

8) He wants to allow mexicans to come to america to pay taxes, not become citizens, and work in America as part of his "guest worker" program. Many republicans aren't even buying this one. This will bring the price of labor down for ALL OF YOU.

9) Your president has spent 20% of his presidency on vacation. Notable at times preceeding both 9-11, and the Katrina disaster.

I think Democracy is about opportunity. About creating opportunity for more people, not taking opportunity away to help the already priviledged.

What if your president talked about morals and did the most immoral things?

What if your president talked about a culture of life and let american soldiers die in a corrupt war?

What if your president said he was working for you
and he wasn't.

Bush was at a political fundraiser where some of america's richest were in attendance, this is a quote:

Bush: "some people call you the haves, and the have mores"
crowd laughs
Bush: "I call you my base."

Ask yourselves this: Do you want a president who thinks (and acts) like this?

Sincerely,

Liberal American

Liberal American:

I'd go line by line and dispute your "facts," but it's been done throughout the blogosphere more thoroughly and carefully than I'd could ever do here. The fact that you think they're "facts" means that you haven't done much thinking or reading on the conservative side of the issues. That's why your entreaties typically fall on deaf ears. That, combined with the fact that nothing you've said is novel.

But you're right - the conservative side of the blogosphere has many complaints about the President, including immigration policy, the budget, weak energy policy, etc. But we rarely get a chance to express our dissatisfaction, because we're busy addressing the extreme accusations of the left (including "Bush lied").

But this is to your advantage - if the Democratic Party can put together a decent platform (a pragmatic, coherent, platform), and they can stop running crap candidates, they can walk away with the next election (and they'll probably have my vote). So far the Republican Party is in no danger, though.

read "the price of loyalty"...[screed continues]

Actually I prefer to read the transcripts of the speeches and the dozen or more UN resolution involved.

They're primary sources, not what some moonbat wishes was said.

"coherent, platform" != Howard Dean

Howard Dean == incoherent inflamatory rants

"coherent, platform" != Howard Dean

Thus sealing the democrats' fate.

Speaking of storytelling, check out the BBC's home page today. The box in the middle with a photograph of the eye of a black person with tears streaming out of it next to the headline "Might Katrina end US attitude of the survival of the fittest?" Ummm...no. It mightn't. It has a much better chance, in fact, of doing the opposite.

The BBC's motto should be "We Make Shit Up to Suit Our World-View."

Anyone catch the Katrina "Bash Bush" townhall on CNN this weekend. The audience was loaded with leftists teeing up loaded questions for the panel which included Dana "Bush' Bash. The other curious thing was CNN seemed to have sent a lot of foreign reporters to NO, all had no problem bashing America and making several references comparing NO conditions to Third World countries.

Mary Landrieu can't be as dumb as she sounds here, right?

She refuses to acknowledge the fact that the buses in question weren't flooded before the storm and could have been used. Instead, she describes the extent of the flooding.

It's a good transcript, though. Funny in its own way.

Liberal American demonstrates the crux of the "storytelling" problem -- he regurgitates DNC talking points and calls them "facts."

I thought that by 8th or 9th grade, everyone learned the difference between facts and opinions. English class, maybe a current events class? I once thought this was common knowledge. Now I don't know if idiots like LA really don't know the difference, or thinks that we don't.

1) Bush lied about why we went to Iraq.

So tell us the REEEEEEAL reason, smart guy! I love it when liberals argue motives. It's a perfect substitute for rational analysis.

2) There were no WMD's.

Yawn. No large WMD stockpiles were found, although no one has been able to demonstrate where the various caravans leading out of Iraq just before the invasion went to, where the contents of the satellite-monitored warehouses went to, etc. Iraq had extensive bio-chem production capacity, in violation of the sanctions. Every intelligence agency in the world confirmed for years that these weapons and production capacities were there, Clinton said so repeatedly, Kerry called Iraq a threat during his (falied) campaign ... Did they all "lie" too?

3) He's giving tax breaks to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

The wealthiest 1% pay something like 25% of all the income taxes in America. An across-the-board cut benefits them disproportionately only because they are already paying disproportionately.

Plus, these dollars are the most productive dollars in the economy, used for funding the longest-term investments. By definition, these are the dollars least likely to be used for immediate consumption. As a result, taxing them so the gov't can spend them on immediate consumption acts as a drain on long-term investment.

4) He's done NOTHING to fix the most bloated, inefficient health care system in the modern world.

It is the most advanced, successful health care system in the world. In any event, "fixing" it is not a federal matter.

5) His medicare bill has a specific provision that PROHIBITS a medicare representative from negotiating with drug companies for lower drug prices. Wow.

Wow yourself, jackass. When the government underbids manufacturers, it effectively depresses the price of that good. Artificially lowered prices always cause a reduction in the production of that good. Always. This is what happened to the flu vaccine -- underbidding drove the marginal producers out of business until there were only two left.

If we're going to demand that the gov't underbid on the things it buys, lets start with bureaucrat, civil service and post office worker salaries. How many billions of dollars of the federal budget goes toward paying these people more than the market price for their so-called "services"?

5) His administration cost many American lives by responding so poorly to the devastation in Louisiana.

How many number fives are there in the Arabic numbering system?

Anyway, the abject failure of the first-responders caused the problems in New Orleans. Under the established emergency management plan, local and state officials are in charge of first-responders. Whatever was expected of the NOPD, for example, they failed, since they did zero.

The federal response was right on time, hindered only by the lack of security (a local and state responsibility) and better than any response in history.

6) He's done next to nothing (and look at the numbers in the energy bill on this) to really invest in renewable energy which makes economic sense, it makes sense for future generations, and it makes sense to keep up from relying on foreign oil.

These things are done by the private oil production market. Governments have a way of fucking these things up but good.

7) His Republican FCC chairman tried to relax legislative rules which would have allowed for further consolidation in the media industry - leading to even fewer companies owning all the major media in the country. Right now we've got about five.

Long live the free market.

8) He wants to allow mexicans to come to america to pay taxes, not become citizens, and work in America as part of his "guest worker" program. Many republicans aren't even buying this one. This will bring the price of labor down for ALL OF YOU.

Conservatives criticize him on this point all the time. Go read Malkin.

9) Your president has spent 20% of his presidency on vacation. Notable at times preceeding both 9-11, and the Katrina disaster.

I've officially lost interest in you. This is such a substance-free, nanny-nanny-boo-boo, childish load of schoolyard crap. Are you 8 years old? Do your parents know you are on the computer?

Besides have you ever heard of the telephone? Video conferencing? Grow the fuck up.

Pic of the future

Bush was at a political fundraiser where some of america's richest were in attendance, this is a quote:

Bush: "some people call you the haves, and the have mores"
crowd laughs
Bush: "I call you my base."

Pretty easy to let others do your thinking for you, isn't it? I mean, think of all the energy you save that way. You go along, thinking you have all the answers if you just listen to Michael Moore and his ilk.

Unfortunately for you, though, Michael Moore lied about where that speech was made. But it sounds good, and it fits your narrow-minded worldview, so you bought it hook, line and sinker.

You, sir, are an aggressively stupid person. You were not content to simply allow your stupidity to sit unexercised. No, you had to go and display your complete lack of knowledge and critical thinking ability to the world, via this site.

Those remarks were made at the Al Smith dinner in New York on October 20, 2000.

This story explains what the Al Smith dinner, is, and includes quotes from both candidates.

Next time, come armed with more than easily-discredited Michael Moore bullshit.

Slu, wasn't the "I call you my base" line a joke? As I recall, the preznit was making little puns and such. The full thing went something like: "Some call you the elite. I call you my base."

Get it? Elite (top) vs. Base (bottom). Bad joke, sure. But still, can't these moonbats come up with something better?

Yes, it was a joke. The point of the whole dinner is for politicians to make speeches full of jokes. Bad jokes, most of the time.

Moore got one thing right - it is a fundraiser.

For Catholic Charities.

He wants to allow mexicans to come to america to pay taxes, not become citizens, and work in America as part of his "guest worker" program. Many republicans aren't even buying this one. This will bring the price of labor down for ALL OF YOU.

Hey, I didn't even notice this one.

Why single out Mexicans, Mr. Tolerant Liberal Person? If a conservative did the same thing, you'd likely be the first to label him or her a racist.

What about the Canadians? Huh?

Maybe we can just put a TV booth in the field as the Flight 93 memorial looping the film -- minus that last 15 minutes. Much better than the moon crescent now planned

More 'storytelling'

Bush sees devastation up close. President Bush today for the first time toured some of the damaged areas of New Orleans, seeing up close the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina. The president is facing scathing criticism for his administration's response to Katrina, which left thousands of people languishing for days with no food, water or medicine.

Bush pied, people cried.

Down the memory hole. The new lead:

President Bush today for the first time toured some of the damaged areas of New Orleans, seeing up close the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina. Bush denied there was any racial component to people being left behind after the storm. "The storm didn't discriminate and neither will the recovery effort," Bush said.

Hitler = Devil

Katrina = Hitler

Rove used his powers to summon Katrina...

Rove is Bush's minion...

Bush is worse than the Devil and Hitler

Quiet today. You guys aren't working are you? Shame on you.

"Quiet today. You guys aren't working are you? Shame on you."

lol! My conscience was bothering me.

Conscience? Wha...ohhh...that.

Yeah, I had one of those once. Strangled the little bugger while he was asleep. Doesn't bother me anymore.