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Two "Mohammed Attas?Tom Maguire and Mickey Kaus speculate that the Mohammad Atta ID'd by Able Danger was a different Atta, one assoicated with Abu Nidal's terrorist group. posted by Ace at 01:03 PM
CommentsEven so, one Atta in hand would have been better than two Attas in the bush. Posted by: Dman on August 19, 2005 01:55 PM
Ace, We have to get used to the fact that we no longer have traditional news providers. The msm by choice has become (i) a shill and an abetter for the democrats and other enemies of the United States (ii) what you'd get when you put a forger and quisling in a blender, with a bit of metrosexual gloss added. (Apologies for the repitition.) Posted by: max on August 19, 2005 01:58 PM
Besides, both these guys were terrorists. The name "Mohammed Atta" should have been ringing bells anytime it showed up. Posted by: Iblis on August 19, 2005 02:18 PM
Who cares? Bottom line is some treasonous chairborne tardwads gave a free pass to a terrorist cell that could have been shutdown. [Consulting a calendar to see who was responsible at the time is left as an excercise for the student] Posted by: on August 19, 2005 02:40 PM
A false positive wouldn't surprise me. Data mining such disparate and largely dirty data sets produces a lot of them, Posted by: Brian DeSpain on August 19, 2005 02:58 PM
It would be nice to know if Atta's photo was on that Able Danger chart, with a Post-It note covering it. Posted by: Sue Dohnim on August 19, 2005 03:03 PM
Okay, who's been playing jedi mind tricks again? Cue Obi-Wan: This isn't the Atta we're looking for?! So, we have a possible reason the Able Danger team pulled Atta's name, but we don't know all the data sets that were run to obtain Atta's name. Lexis is only one database. What other databases were used, and that would go a long way to resolving this. Oh, and if it was a case of mistaken identity, who knew that we would have latched onto the 9/11 Atta by pulling data on the Abu Nidal Atta, whose boss, Abu Nidal himself, ended up in a comfy chair in Iraq. Curious. Posted by: lawhawk on August 19, 2005 04:22 PM
Other databases? Undoubtedly, at a minimum, DMV records for most states, that's all public info. That would yield a lot of pictures that you could run sophisticated image match stuff on. Then there's all the Experian/TRW type stuff that's purchasable by almost anyone with the green to do it. That can yield movement info as addresses change over time. If an Atta in say Miami suddenly stops getting credit reports on a Miami address and a new Atta(or aliases) in NY starts within some specified window, and other DMV physical charistics match, theres a fair chance it might be the same guy. Posted by: on August 19, 2005 04:30 PM
Ah, but you're limiting yourself to US domestic databases. What about European or Asian databases. If you're tasked to checking out foreign threats, those would be included as well. Posted by: lawhawk on August 19, 2005 04:32 PM
The original story on Able Danger mentioned identifying 3 or 4 of the terrorists who were on the 9/11 planes. If that's correct, then they probably id'd the correct Atta. Posted by: OCBill on August 19, 2005 04:36 PM
>Ah, but you're limiting yourself to US domestic databases You asked for examples, not a definitive list. Posted by: on August 19, 2005 05:15 PM
"The original story on Able Danger mentioned identifying 3 or 4 of the terrorists who were on the 9/11 planes. If that's correct, then they probably id'd the correct Atta." You've got it all wrong Bill - its not about actual data, its about spin. Whoever turns the most RPM's here is going to be the winner in the public eye. Posted by: on August 19, 2005 05:17 PM
I smell the stench of Bill Clinton again. The similarities between this story and the "accidental" bombing of the Chinese embassy (at a time when the WSJ was zeroing in on his treasonous selling of nuclear secrets to the Chinese) are obvious. Even the MSM was unable to ignore the Chinese military connection story anymore; so to confuse the country about his involvement with the Chinese military he created another China story by "accidentially" bombing the Chinese embassy. It "sucked up all the oxygen" in the MSM and allowed the Chinese to huff and puff and look very angry at us, thereby appearing to distance themselves after they had paid Clinton for nuclear secrets (as if a few staff mattered to them compared to our missle technology). It also gave the MSM a story to focus on instead of Clinton's treason. And it worked! Finding or creating another Mohammed Atta is the best way to confuse the public about Able Danger by diverting attention away from Don Clintioni and the Clintonistas and focusing it upon going down rabbit trails that ulimately will lead nowhere, but will divert attention away from the Don's guilt about not doing anything about terrorism. And the MSM can't wait to make it work, again. I shall pray for them all, for they shall ultimately all get what is coming to them. Posted by: 72 Gabriel Byrnes Await on August 19, 2005 05:56 PM
The original story on Able Danger mentioned identifying 3 or 4 of the terrorists who were on the 9/11 planes. If that's correct, then they probably id'd the correct Atta. That's what I thought as well about the identified Brooklyn cell. It would be quite a coincidence if there were 3 or 4 terrorists sharing the same names with other terrorists and working together. Later, Posted by: bbeck on August 19, 2005 07:06 PM
"It would be quite a coincidence if there were 3 or 4 terrorists sharing the same names with other terrorists and working together." When dealing with the liberal "reality distortion field" all things are possible...indeed likely...ummm, actually in fact CERTAINTY. In fact, this Atta was a completely innocent hot dog vendor at Coney Island... In fact, this Atta was a 97 year old 6'11" tall blond hair blue eyed parapalegic Swede in a wheel chair... Posted by: on August 19, 2005 07:50 PM
In fact, this Atta was a 97 year old 6'11" tall blond hair blue eyed parapalegic Swede in a wheel chair... Well to be fair, Mohammed IS a common name...and Atta would put you at the beginning of the phone book! ;) Later, Posted by: bbeck on August 19, 2005 08:44 PM
Maybe middle-eastern men all use Mohammed Atta when they check into hotels for indecent trysts, sort of like John Smith over here. Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer on August 19, 2005 09:48 PM
Maybe middle-eastern men all use Mohammed Atta when they check into hotels for indecent trysts, sort of like John Smith over here. "Hello, room service" "Could you send up a case of JD, a dozen comely tarts, an ounce of coke, a pound of weed, and most importantly a gallon of flower water." "No problem Mr Atta..." Posted by: on August 20, 2005 02:30 AM
One of the many faces of Mohammed Atta (renowned master of disguise) Posted by: Tony on August 21, 2005 01:50 AM
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What? Skeleton of the most famous Musketeer, D'Artagnan, possibly discovered in Dutch church closet.
Dumas picked four names of real musketeers out of a history book, D'Artagnan, Athos, Aramis, and Porthos. So there was an actual D'Artagnan, though he made most of the story up. (Or, you know, all of it.)* Charles de Batz de Castelmore, known as d'Artagnan, the famous musketeer of Kings Louis XIII and Louis XIV, spent his life in the service of the French crown. A lot of Dumas's stories are based on bits of real history. The plot of the >Three Musketeers, about trying to recover lost diamonds from the queen's necklace, was cribbed from the then-almost-contemporaneous Affair of the Queen's Necklace. And the Man in the Iron Mask is based on real accounts of a prisoner forced to wear a mask (though I think it was a velvet mask). * Oh, I should mention, Dumas says all this, about finding the names in an old book, in the prologue to his novel. But authors lie a lot. They frequently present fictions as based on historic fact. The twist is, he was actually telling the truth here. At least about these four musketeers having actually existed and served under Louis XIV. Fun fact: You know the beginning of A Fistful of Dollars where the local gunslingers make fun of Clint Eastwood's donkey and Eastwood demands they apologize to the donkey? That's lifted from The Three Musketeers. Rochefort mocks D'Artagnan's old, brokedown farm horse and D'Artagnan is incensed.
A commenter asked which should be read first, The Hobbit of LOTR?
Easy, no question -- read The Hobbit first. It's actually the start of the story and comes first chronologically. It sets up some major characters and major pieces in play in LOTR. Also, the Hobbit is Beginner-Friendly, which LOTR isn't. The Hobbit really is a delightful book, and a fast read. It's chatty, it's casual, it's exciting, and it's funny. In that dry cheeky British humor way. I love that the narrator is constantly making little asides and commentary, like he's just sitting next to you telling you this story as it occurs to him. LOTR is a very long story. Fifteen hundred pages or so. The Hobbit is relatively short and very punchy and easy to read. If you don't like The Hobbit, you can skip out on LOTR. If you do like it, you'll be primed to read LOTR. Oh, I should say: The Hobbit is written as if it's for children, but one of those smart children's stories that are also for adults. Don't worry, there's also real fighting and violence and horror in it, too. LOTR is written for adults. (It's said that Tolkien wrote both for his children, but LOTR was written 17 years later, when his children were adults.) Some might not like The Hobbit due to its sometimes frivolous tone. Me, I love it. I find it constantly amusing. Both are really good but there is a starkly different tone to both. LOTR is epic, grand, and serious, about a world war, The Hobbit is light and breezy, and about a heist. Though a heist that culminates in a war for the spoils.
The Hobbit Challenge: Read two more chapters. I didn't have much time. Bilbo got the ring.
I noticed a continuity problem. Maybe. Now, as of the time of The Hobbit, it was unknown that this magic ring was in fact a Ring of Power, and it was doubly unknown that it was the Ring of Power, the Master Ring that controlled the others. But the narrator -- who we will learn in LOTR was none of than Bilbo himself, who wrote the book as "There and Back Again" -- says this about Gollum's ring: "But who knows how Gollum had come by that present [the Ring], ages ago in the old days when such rings were still at large in the world? Perhaps even the Master who ruled them could not have said." In another passage, the ring is identified as a "ring of power." I don't know, I always thought there was a distinction between mere magic rings and the Rings of Power created by Sauron. But this suggests that Bilbo knew this was a ring of power created by Sauron. Now I don't remember when Bilbo wrote the Hobbit. In the movie, he shows Frodo the book in Rivendell, and I guess he wrote it after he left the Shire. I guess he might have added in the part about the ring being a ring of power created by "the Master" after Gandalf appraised him of his research into the ring. I never noticed this before. I know Tolkien re-wrote this chapter while he was writing LOTR to make the ring important from the start. And also to make Gollum more sinister and evil, and also to remove the part where Gollum actually offers Bilbo the ring as a "present" -- Bilbo had already found it on his own, but Gollum was wiling to give it away, which obviously is not something the rewritten Gollum would ever do. But I had no memory of the ring being suggested to be The Ring so early in the tale.
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Tomorrow is March 25th, "Tolkien Reading Day," because March 25th is the day when the Ring is destroyed in the book. I think I'm going to start the Hobbit tomorrow and read all four books this time.
The only bad part of the trilogy are the Frodo/Sam chapters in The Two Towers. They're repetitive, slow, and mostly about the weather and terrain. But most everything else is good. Weirdly, the Frodo-Sam chapters in Return of the King are exciting and action-packed and among the best in the trilogy. (Though the chapters with everyone else in Return of the King get pretty slow again. Mostly people talking about marching towards war, and then marching towards war.)
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