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August 10, 2005

Ace of Spades: Morally Bankrupt Partisan Hack

This guy thinks it's "morally bankrupt" of me to use proxy-issues to determine if I support a candidate or not.

Well, I don't know. There are some issues I don't care all that passionately about (abortion, gay rights) but which tell me how someone's going to vote on the issues I do care a great deal about.

Roberts was selected partly due to the lack of tangible evidence about his judicial philosophy, so we're forced to read tea-leaves to figure out how he might come down on various issues.

Varones links a Roberts dissent which reads the Commerce Clause narrowly, noting that this is fair indication that he's a conservative judge. In case you don't know, the Commerce Clause is typically read very broadly (even laughably so) by liberal judges to justify virtually any federal intrusion into state/local law- and policy-making.

So there's the other side.


posted by Ace at 11:57 AM
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Gee whiz, ace. I thought your "moral bankruptcy" status was already decided based on all those times you sold dope dressed as a nun. Or the triple-amputee prostitution ring. But you know: your broken moral compass is why I love you. Don't ever change, man.

P.S. -- Yes, I stole this from the "Hanover Fiste/Captain Sternn" bit in Heavy Metal.

P.P.S -- I'm deathly sick of politix'n'stuff, ace. Do a brother a favor and post another movie thread or something.

Posted by: Monty on August 10, 2005 12:03 PM

There's never a candidate or nominee with whom one will agree all the time... the test is to find those that you agree with more than disagree. While it's somewhat lazy, there's nothing wrong with using proxy-issues to determine whether or not to support or vote for someone. The key is to determine the appropriate proxy-issue. For some people, it's as simple as knowing the political party of the candidate. For others, it's knowing how the candidate feels about gay rights.

Posted by: steve sturm on August 10, 2005 12:07 PM

"Well, I don't know. There are some issues I don't care all that passionately about (abortion, gay rights) but which tell me how someone's going to vote on the issues I do care a great deal about."

Do you even read your comment sections, pal? Hell, the conservative clatch argue all the time over these issues, arrive at different positions, and seek differing justifications for arriving at these positions.

I do not disagree with your larger point, that there are indicators out there that tend to give a good idea of how someone will vote on an issue one way or other. But if the blogosphere has taught us anything (other than videos of kids wiping out on skateboards never get old) it's that there is no monolithic conservative party-line out there. To cite only one example, relevant to your earlier post, if there were, National Review wouldn't support drug legalization.

And your LARGER larger point is still 100% true: we should know more about these nominees. I may think Charles Schumer is an arrogant little cow-tit, but I can agree that he reaches the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.

*I* want to hear what Judge Roberts has to say about these issues. Information is power, and that's half the battle, which is one to grow on, so I hanker for a hunk of cheese, and look, a wagon wheel!

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on August 10, 2005 12:07 PM

I don't know about morally bankrupt, but it is ideological hackery to simply read a position on an issue you don't care about, or even disagree with, to say that you will agree with a list of other unknown positions. For one thing you should be asking how the tea-leaf position was justified; on abortion I would think that it would mean one thing to you if an anti-abortion position was based on the idea that the states should have the ultimate say on the issue, and another thing entirely if the position was based on idea that abortion should be outlawed on the Federal level because the Bible says it is morally wrong. And I would also think that if you got over the Republican group-think and thought the issue out you would be in favor of most gay rights.

Posted by: vonKreedon on August 10, 2005 12:08 PM

"Do you even read your comment sections, pal? Hell, the conservative clatch... "

What the hell is a clatch? I need to know whether I should be pissed or not.

Posted by: BrewFan on August 10, 2005 12:36 PM

D'oh-- I meant "klatch."

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on August 10, 2005 12:39 PM

Roger, Roger!

Posted by: BrewFan on August 10, 2005 12:50 PM

I'm deathly sick of politix'n'stuff, ace. Do a brother a favor and post another movie thread or something.

Any suggestions?

Posted by: ace on August 10, 2005 01:11 PM

Here's a topic my kids and I like to talk about: Greatest Movie Never Made. For example, I'd love to see a movie of The Mote in God's Eye, but I doubt if it would ever be made - and if they did, they'd probably screw it up. But if it were done right, it would be really cool; hence, it's a candidate for Greatest Movie Never Made.

Just a suggestion; do with it as you will.

Posted by: Brown Line on August 10, 2005 01:24 PM

"Ideologically bankrupt" is kind of strong, but I have to admit that in general I agree with Varones' point that it's a bad idea to set litmus tests for conservatism; even more so when it's an issue that you ourself don't feel strongly about. Much more disturbingly, I find myself agreeing with vonK that the grounds on which Roberts (or anyone else) reach a given conclusion make a difference.

Finally, I agree with Monty and Brown Line that politics is becoming wearisome to the point where I'm ready to sublet the Unabomber's shack and tell everyone to f*ck off. Can't we discuss best soundtracks or something?

Posted by: utron on August 10, 2005 01:39 PM

ace: do a thread on John Carpenter movies. Given your love of 80's cheese, that's a slam-dunk. Escape From New York, Halloween, The Thing, They Live... All bona fide cheese classics. I'd even accept Christine as above-average cable-fodder.

Then 1990 rolled around and Carpenter started to suck and hasn't made a decent flick since. He should have been arrested for Ghosts of Mars.

Posted by: Monty on August 10, 2005 01:43 PM

Another good thread-topic might be, "Formative television shows of our childhood." I can't be the only one whose basic personality was formed by Hawaii Five-O, Ironside, and Mannix.

Posted by: Monty on August 10, 2005 01:56 PM

Sir,

This Varones guy proudly mentions (it's in his titular epigram) that he is a vegetarian. I use vegetarianism as a proxy-issue.

"Mothers who ate a vegetarian diet during pregnancy had a five-time greater risk of delivering a boy with hypospadias, a birth defect of the penis."
http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/6/vegetarian_pregnancy.htm

Negative effect on the penis. Uh-uh, no thanks. Vegetarianism is wrong on so many levels. I've never met a vegetarian who wasn't a fanatic. But not in an open, honest way, like say, an Islamofascisct. No, they are sneaky and sly, with their beards and Birkenstocks, smiling serenely and trying to convert children by giving them "wheatless/dairy-free" cookies that look and taste like dirt clods, when the kid specifically asked for a machine manufactured, suger-laden, highly refined and, most important, TASTY, Oreo.

The fact that this guy has made what he condsiders the pricipaled act of proudly proclaiming his dietary fetish tells me all I have to know about him and his opinions. This would be like Dan Rather reeling off his many journalistic credentials and then mistakenly admitting that he is a liberal, LIBERAL Democrat. I know Rather is wrong in so many ways but can't quite nail down why. His liberal, Liberal Democratic beliefs are the concrete evidence to explain his inherent vileness and stupidity.

Without invoking the Nazi's as lefties are so wont to do, may I mention that

HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN!

Sincerely,

rcl


Posted by: rcl on August 10, 2005 01:59 PM

What's wrong with being a morally bankrupt partisan hack?

Posted by: on August 10, 2005 02:27 PM

Ace, if he said you were Morally Solvent I'd be shocked.

What about a thread on best spoof movies, like Big Trouble in Little China etc.

Posted by: Iblis on August 10, 2005 02:29 PM

Zombies, people.
Shambling, shuffling, brain-snackin' zombies.

Posted by: lauraw on August 10, 2005 02:33 PM

If your candidate has taken the unpopular position on something, the one that doesn't get smooches from the Times, then you can at least believe he'll make principled decisions. More often than not, these are going to come up your way.

Posted by: spongeworthy on August 10, 2005 02:35 PM
Posted by: lauraw on August 10, 2005 02:37 PM

ace, for the record, is your moral bankruptcy a dissolution, or reorganization?

unsecured creditors need the info.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on August 10, 2005 02:40 PM

Damn - for being only 62, Walken looks like he's just come off one of those HST style 20 year meth binges...

Posted by: on August 10, 2005 02:41 PM

How does Walken get his hair to stand on end like that? Butch Wax? (And Walken can indeed trip the light fantastic: catch his dancing chops in Pennies From Heaven or the Weapon of Choice video.)

Posted by: Monty on August 10, 2005 02:49 PM

Another good thread-topic might be, "Formative television shows of our childhood." I can't be the only one whose basic personality was formed by Hawaii Five-O, Ironside, and Mannix.

Best. Sitcom. Ever: Barney Miller!

Posted by: DB on August 10, 2005 03:10 PM

Best. Sitcom. Ever: Barney Miller!

Close, but no. Dobie Gillis was. Even the credits were great.

Posted by: on August 10, 2005 03:30 PM

rd:

I've never met a vegetarian who wasn't a fanatic.
I'm a vegetarian. I am not a fanatic. I do not wear Birkenstocks. I am not a hippy. I am not a leftist. Maybe you don't meet enough people? More likely you've met vegetarians who weren't fanatics but didn't realize that they were vegetarians.
HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN!
No he wasn't. (His doctor told him to avoid meat for a while, that's all.)

Posted by: SJKevin on August 10, 2005 04:01 PM

Formative television shows? WKRP.

Posted by: SJKevin on August 10, 2005 04:11 PM

SJKevin:

I was gonna bust on you for being a vegetarian, but your love for WKRP redeems you. That was a great sitcom! Herb Tarlek is my hero to this very day, and Bailey...oh, man, was she hot!

You know why it's not out on DVD while crap like "Mork and Mindy" is, by the way? It's because they can't afford to pay ASCAP for the frigging songs! They have to pay royalties for every song snippet on every show, and the studio figured it was too expensive to be recouped from a DVD release. That sucks, man. I'd buy a WKRP DVD set in nothing flat.

Posted by: Monty on August 10, 2005 04:18 PM

Favorite WKRP epidsodes?

The trooper testing Venus and Johnny's reflexes under the influence.

And of course the classic ones with dancing chicks and flying turkeys.

It ran every night at 10pm throughout gradeschool and I refused to go to sleep until I had watched on my 13 inch b&w with simulated wood veneer.

Posted by: TheDude on August 10, 2005 04:32 PM

Howard Hesseman's growling "booger" into a microphone is still my favorite WKRP moment.

Posted by: Monty on August 10, 2005 04:34 PM

They have to pay royalties for every song snippet on every show, and the studio figured it was too expensive to be recouped from a DVD release.

How much can the Henry Mancini Singers rendition of "You're Having My Baby" cost?

Posted by: on August 10, 2005 04:44 PM

Andy, as God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on August 10, 2005 04:47 PM

Les Nessman's play by play of turkey day would have won a Marconi if it were real.

Posted by: TheDude on August 10, 2005 04:53 PM

"His doctor told him to avoid meat for a while, that's all..."

SJKevin,

A little sensitive, aren't we? May I suggest a little iron in your diet. Perhaps a nice slab of Prime Rib. Square you right away.

Respectfully,

rcl

Posted by: rcl on August 10, 2005 05:11 PM

Wings and News Radio are classics.

Posted by: Dman on August 10, 2005 05:51 PM

In Wisconsin, winter is the best seven months of the year.

Posted by: TheDude on August 10, 2005 05:58 PM

I totally agree with Ace and think it is beyond ridiculous to say that his position is morally bankrupt.

I sorta decide for the opposite reasons than Ace. Abortion and gay politics do matter to me and how a candidate feels about it usually tells me everything I need to know about him/her about other issues as well.

Monty, I haven't heard from you!!!!

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on August 10, 2005 07:15 PM

Sparkle:

I emailed you last night. Did you get that one? Or have you sent me one since then that I haven't responded to?

Posted by: Monty on August 10, 2005 07:28 PM
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