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May 21, 2005

Getting More Outraged Over Bird-Gate: MSM & Liberals Circle the Wagons (Shock!)

The poor PepsiCo executive millionaire is of course a "victim" in this morality tale.

Apparently she's permitted to make her anti-American speech, but the bloggers who criticize her are thuggish and inflamatory for doing so.

Always remember: when they speak, it's dissent.

When we speak, it's chilling their dissent.

I grow weary of the MSM's and liberal's semantic gymnastics. They think they can definte words -- "dissent," "extremist," "centrist," "maverick," etc. -- and thereby define reality.

Wrong.

We don't agree with your self-serving definitions, and you no longer have a monopoly on defining the terms of debate.

You're reacting like any other guild or monopoly being challenged by an upstart -- defensively, angrily, haughtily, "how-dare-you"-ly. You're afraid.

And I've never been a blogger triumphalist, but I will say your fears are well-founded.

Adapt or die.

I prefer the latter.

Related: This idiot at the Washington Post thinks that no one has yet disproved the authenticity of the Rathergate forgeries.

1, we have, even if Dick Thornberg was being nice to his employers by not quite saying so, and 2, that seems immaterial -- the media seems to have a new standard, I guess: "If we print it, and you can't disprove it, it remains true until you do so."

I thought as a general matter those asserting a claim were responsible for proving it, rather than simply inviting others to disprove it, but there are, I guess, different standards now for our Royal Scriveners.


posted by Ace at 01:42 PM
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Okay, NOW you're mad.

Posted by: See-Dubya on May 21, 2005 02:03 PM

From the same WaPo article:

But outrage spread so quickly over the net that Jordan resigned -- and the top story moved on -- before anyone could verify exactly what he had said. There were plenty of eyewitnesses with different versions of what he said, but there was no transcript, and to this day the issue remains murky."

Hey, no need to mention the video tape that the World Economic Forum released. Could it be that the issue remains "murky" not because of blogs, but because someone didn't want the truth known? And just how far did the MSM go toward unmurking the situation?

Oh, that's right. They ignored the whole affair.

BTW, I really think this PepsCo thing is being blown out of proportion. Frankly, I think bloggers diminish themselves by hyperventilating over something so trivial.

Posted by: The Warden on May 21, 2005 02:52 PM

I don't think it's trivial, but yeah, I agree, I'd prefer not to hyperventilate about it. I'm hyperventilated out.

BUT... it does annoy me that the liberal legacy media rushes in to deem this poor millionaire executive a victim.

How many other millionaire executives have the media rushed in to protect from the very very hurtful speech of citizen blowhards?

Posted by: ace on May 21, 2005 03:03 PM

Well, they sure don't do it when Jesse Jackson's outrage machine rolls into town, I'll grant you that.

Posted by: The Warden on May 21, 2005 03:18 PM

Do they teach these ninnys NOTHING in graduate school?

Tears. You got to cry to get your forgiviness baby.

Glad this f'n' idiot isn't my company's CFO

Posted by: Dave in Texas on May 21, 2005 03:22 PM

CFO/President.

Remember when Pepsi had the balls to put the word "Diet" on the can of Pepsi? Before that, the entire beverage industry (and consumer products industry, if you want to generalize) was reluctant to add to the name (line extentions) on their flagship brand for fear of killing the brand. So you had "Coke" and "Tab." The thinking was, Tab tastes like shit to most folks, and Coke doesn't (don't get me started on sugar cane versus corn syrup), so they thought it was wiser to drop millions into creating a new brand.

Well, Pepsi struck the first lick. This changed the industry forever. Sacharin or no sacharin, Equal or what have you, it's now and ever shall be fucking Diet whatever, with lime with vanilla, cherry, or petroleum flavored.

Competition=innovation=profits.

Go to the store some time, and name me one brand that hasn't jumped on the line-extention bandwagon. How many types of Budweiser are there? How about Tide?

Tell the new-age freak to focus on her titles (finance and president/profit and strategy) and she might just have a fucking clue.

Damn these people frighten me. I don't give a shit about the bastard at Progressive Insurance or Soros showing you who they are. That's up to you to decide if you want to buy their products. They telegraph their political beliefs a mile away. But a fucking CFO/President at a company that supposedly doesn't take a political stance?

If the company had a fucking clue, they'd sew her eyelids to her forhead, strap her in a lawn chair and aim her at the sun. OK, that's a bit extreme. But how about a nice cup of STFU juice? That'd do it for me. Oh yeah, and "You're fired." Then she can go write a fucking victim book.

My appoligies to RWS for the f-bombs.

Posted by: KCTrio on May 21, 2005 03:48 PM

I just sent an e-mail to the idiot at the Washington Post:


Dear Mr. Hanson:

Regarding the Dan Rather document scandal, you write:

"But in reality, no one has demonstrated conclusively whether the documents are fake.."

I can see only three possibilities for such an outrageous claim:

1) that you weren't paying attention to the evidence
2) that you are blinded by personal bias
3) that you are using such a stringent definition for "demonstrated conclusively" that no forgeries could ever be "conclusively" determined to be fake.

My intuition tells me that you suffer from a healthy dose of both #2 and #3.

Regards,

W.C. Varones

Posted by: W.C. Varones on May 21, 2005 05:21 PM

Meanwhile, the Space Unicorns gather and await instructions from their Queen.

Posted by: BumperStickerist on May 21, 2005 05:53 PM

My response to Mr. Hanson is too long to post here. Follow this link if you want to read it all.

Money shot:

There are no excuses, Mr. Hanson, for the shoddy and partisan reporting by the likes of Jordan, Rather, Mapes & Newsweek in the examples you cite. Your attempt to explain them away diverts from the real issue, being that the surest way to the corruption of journalistic values is to allow and even condone reporting from an ideological framework, rather than an objective one.

The MSM has gone a long way down the road of that corruption. Do they have the courage and the dedication to their craft to come back?

Posted by: krakatoa on May 21, 2005 05:54 PM

Very nice, W.C. Varones, and nice Blog. Didn't give it too long of a look, but your description is certainly interesting, to say the least. Question: What would you get if you crossed your outlook with that of Chrenkoff's? Lord only knows.

Anyway, the only thing I could add to your wonderfully terse and spot-on letter to the WaPo would be that item #3 sort of defines a self-sealing argument. Forgive the elaboration, but I can't help myself.

It basically works like this: I create a theory or idea that protects my theory from all counterevidence or rebuttal. Arguments such as these are inherently flawed, because they somehow create perfection. Conspiracy theorists love these kinds of arguments, because they explain everything with no messy little loose ends.

Aren't we supposed to prove something is real or veridical, not prove that they aren't fake? If you're focusing on that, you're chasing the wrong dog.

In other words, heads I win, tails don't count.

Posted by: KCTrio on May 21, 2005 06:05 PM

Fuck, BumperStickerist, you're killing me. Now what the hell am I supposed to do?

I was all prepared for the black helicopters, and now you warn me about this dreadful news. How the fuck do I protect myself against these bastards? My tinfoil hat works great for the helicopters, but what do I do about the Space Unicorns? Are they in alliance with the CIA?

Your advice would be most welcome.

Posted by: KCTrio on May 21, 2005 06:08 PM

Hansen teaches journalism (oh, the irony) at the University of Maryland, but is not employed by the Washingon Post.

Posted by: Mark on May 21, 2005 06:44 PM

KCTrio.....lol!! You don't have to apologize to me here. This isn't my blog!!! Ace makes the rules here and he doesn't seem to mind the f-bomb. Nice of you to think of me though...;-)

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on May 21, 2005 06:59 PM

RWS:

Madame: Thinking of you and not acting as I should in your virtual presence is pretty pathetic on my part, but I suppose 'tis better than nothing.

I guess it's just my way of relieving my guilt. Wife's back home, so I guess I'll be dropping more of them here than ever.

Posted by: KCTrio on May 21, 2005 08:12 PM

For what it's worth, I got a response from Chris Hanson. If I get permission from him I'll post it.

Posted by: krakatoa on May 21, 2005 09:50 PM

Share it, volcano-human, and do it now (that won't do; how about please, calm the man and get his permission; that'd be awesome).

I'd like to see with my own eyes what the good professor has to say for himself.

Posted by: KCTrio on May 21, 2005 10:19 PM
Posted by: Stankleberry on May 21, 2005 11:30 PM

Just going shopping is getting rough out there. I don't buy anything made in France (actually would shoot anyone that brought a French product into my home), Don't buy any Heinz products, Haven't bought a CD, DVD, or went to a movie since Oct. 04. (i refuse to finance the hollywood wonks), and now I will put All Pepsi products on the banned from my home list. The idiot couldn't have made a better pitch to buy Coke products. Think they'll pay her a royalty?

Posted by: Scrapiron on May 22, 2005 12:10 AM

Scrapiron--don't know if you're a drinkin' fella, but since you're a boycottin' fella, let me point out that E&J Gallo Wines--including E&J cooking brandy--are huge, huge donors to the DNC and to Nancy Pelosi in particular.

Just thought you'd like to know.

Posted by: See-Dubya on May 22, 2005 12:41 AM

SeeDubya,

That's only a problem if you are into that fancy-schmancy, high-fallutin' stuff, the high class booze that comes with labels on it. E&J Gallo wine? You expecting the Queen to drop in for a drink? Me, I just head down to the creek and have Old Joe pour me a gallon of his special recipe White Lightning into my bucket for a nickle.

Posted by: Alex_fs on May 22, 2005 02:45 AM

Damn, Alex, talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Didn't you know there's a new Great Depression going on, or have you even been listening to the Demmycrats over the last couple of years?

I mean, some of us can't be throwing nickels around willy-nilly, and we working folk have to steal a bottle of hairspray and some bread to "purify" it through from the five-and-dime just to get our "swerve" on. I mean, since that Bush done outsourced my job and spent all my money on Iraqi firehouses, I'd have to trade my whole hobo bindle in for some of that highfalutin' white lightning. And I need that bindle's tradin' value what-for to pay fer my health-care and a tin of cat food fer my elderly mother to eat...

[/Dem talking points]

Posted by: Sean M. on May 22, 2005 04:26 AM

Sean-

You forgot the trauma of your neighbor's under age daughter having to tell him about her impending abortion.

He done told her years ago if she got "that way" just to have the damn thing taken care of, but now she's got to write him a damn letter every time she gets knocked up.

All thanks to them nosy Congressmen and federal courts.

That, plus having to hitch a ride up to Canada every time we gotta get our prescriptions renewed. Unless, of course, the local vet's got some dog arthritis pills in stock.

Posted by: Dogstar on May 22, 2005 10:22 AM

"In 1857, the sepoy cartridge rumor appears to have spread slowly among Indian regiments, largely by word-of-mouth, over a period of months. In the wired world of 2005, by contrast, Newsweek's story" was published in fucking Newsweek. Idiot.

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek on May 22, 2005 02:18 PM

(don't get me started on sugar cane versus corn syrup)

Hmmmm. Methinks you have some thoughts on the rabid anti-Castro Cuban-American lobby. Perhaps you have pondered the question of why we can kiss-and-make-up with Muammar al-Qad·da·fi, but we can't afford a diplomic overture to Castro? Perhaps you have contemplated the influence of America sugar-beet growers along with the Cubans?

(Yeah, I do think there was a second gun at Dealey Plaza.)

Posted by: Pure Herbal Viagra on May 22, 2005 06:57 PM

I posted Chris Hanson's response here, for what it's worth.

Posted by: krakatoa on May 23, 2005 04:12 AM

What the fuck, Mr. Meyers. Remember Coke from your childhood? Does it taste like that now?

Basically, if you go to Hawaii, Coke is made with cane sugar. Read the fucking article. It is interesting.

I guess you're trying to suggest I have some conspiracy BS to share. No. Corn syrup is cheaper, and the soft drink industry switched decades ago. But I don't think it taste exactly the same. That's not a conspiracy, it's basic economics. Cheaper ingredient becomes the industry standard, sales don't suffer, so companies switch to the cheaper ingredient.

Simple.

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