Very funny. It's not too surprising, though, coming from folks who are so confused about the difference between giving and taking that they consider a tax cut to the rich to be a handout.

here's Malkin's most excellent summary:

"Bush's indexing plan guarantees middle- and upper-income retirees the same level of benefits they get now (after adjusting for inflation). Their benefits would not, however, grow above the rate of inflation, as is the case under the status quo"

That is frankly a GREAT plan.

And where's the cut-off for "middle class"?

You guessed it : SIX FUCKING FIGURES.

High-income workers, those with annual income of $113,000 or higher, would instead have their initial benefits based on the increase in prices during their working years

I'm a lawyer and I'm not even MIDDLE CLASS.

Fuck you Kos, Marshall and Black.

you're a bunch of opportunistic shitsacks

Hobgoblin... Did you mean to say "I'm a lawyer and I'm not even HIGH-INCOME" - b/c you said "middle income". I think you got a typo there. OTOH, if you're a lawyer and you're not making $115,000 / year, you need to take the bar in CA. You'll make that in about 5 minutes. :/

I think it's pretty heartless of you greedy theocons to complain about having to give some of your paycheck to Bill Gates' retirement fund.

WTF? Are they kidding me? What kind of boobs do they take their readers for?

You know, I was lukewarm on this plan, but when I read this, I got so mad I just have to support the President on this.

Karl, pass me one of those cigarettes on the bedside table, would you? I know it's a cliche, but I feel like a smoke just now.

See my comment at the end of this thread.

Lefties will do anything and everything to avoid calling social security what it is: a welfare program for the old. Young people are taxed to provide money for old people who may or may not need it. It's wealth-redistribution in the grandest Democrat style, but they dare not call it that; better to call it a "benefit" to make the bitter pill easier to swallow.

Just think, when you're old you can stick it to Junior too! He'll have to slave away for 80-90 hours a week to make sure you can afford to pay the greens fees at Geezer Fairways!

Please. Is anyone really surprised by this? Kos supports pigf^ckers who murder children and chop off heads, as long as they hate Bush. He supports convicted felons, as long as they’re likely to vote against Bush. And he supports the original SS Ponzi scheme, as long as Bush is trying to fix it. If HWWNBN is thinking with his dick, Kos is thinking with his bile ducts.

Somewhat OT: Laura Ingraham has one further procedure to go through, but it looks like they caught the cancer in time and her prognosis is good. (See her homepage.) The Kossacks had a lot of fun with the initial reports that she had breast cancer; presumably this news will come as quite a blow to them.

fat kd, I'm just reading the article from USAT and that's what the Bush plan limits reductions to. It wasn't clear (in the article) what the plan does for those in teh $26,000-112,000 bracket.

And I make close, but not 113,000. I also don't work 80 hours a week or many weekends

I paid into Social Security for 20 years. I want my cash back and then you can dump the program. But I didn't pay into this for nothing.

William Blake's lovely verse, re-written from FuckerKOS's perspective:

He that binds himself to a hate,
Does the unhinged life conflate.
But he that leaves the hate where it lies,
Lives in sanity's sunrise.

I think if hate becomes your ideology, you have lost all sense of anything sane.

Ace: Sorry about the poem, but sometimes it seems appropriate.

For further insight into the left Blogosphere's steel grip on the ideology of hate, read this latest column from Michael Barone on the topic.

Olga to Batman: "Is better making love then sermons, Batushka."

Batman: "Smells like soup."

Robin: "Darn good soup."

. . .

Batman, pointing: "What's that?"

Robin: "I guess I'm tired, but it looks like alphabet soup!"

. . .

Robin: "I never knew there were no punctuation marks in alphabet soup!"

Michael Meyers,

if we notice you, will you stop being SO FUCKING ANNOYING?

Hob:

Batman is annoying? I thought I was elevating the moral and intellectual tone of this blog.

Anyway, I made the huge mistake of defending Cedarford a couple of days ago and got my ass kicked. So cut me some slack.

Hob:

Can I be your blog-comment-apprentice? I just love a guy who slings around words like "SO FUCKING ANNOYING." I could really learn a lot from you.

KC,

yeah, it's been a rough afternoon. I'll calm down.

What the fuck you talkin' about Hob?

I was dead fucking serious. Rough afternoon my ass. I wasn't being sarcastic.

Aren't you the one who reminded me to lower the whiny factor and increase the Viking factor?

Retract that last post, sir. It's an abomination.

Just call me "Beth" the magical retard.

Now, there's the Hob I know. Witty, like a Viking.

3 or 4 vicodin and half a bottle of tequila'll do that to you.

just kidding. I'm just doing timesheets and wishing I was shitfaced.

Michael Meyers,
if we notice you, will you stop being SO FUCKING ANNOYING?

Well obviously, ignoring him isn't helping.
I have been trying.

SO:
Hi there Michael,
Please leave me alone. Stop talking about cherry blossoms and spanking. Seriously, I hate it.

I may make a cute throwaway comment from time to time if I admire someone's turn of phrase, but I am not internet-flirty.
I hate internet-flirty.

Hob:

When you get home, you need to pop in the movie "Office Space."

Sounds like those time sheets could use a good ass kicking. Time to burn them, quit your job and start navel gazing.

Aren't there fucking computers that can do that shit for you? What the fuck are you working with, punchcards? IBM mainframes built in the '40s?

Good Lord.

retard lawyers have to enter their time in 0.1 hour increments for the work they do. Every moment (at leats 5-6 hous worth) of the workday must be spent mentally processing client material. This sort of crap that I spew here is the daily mental slag from this process. I've been gone for a day and a half, so I've got some crud built up..

That's OK, though, it's machine gun shoot day tomorrow!

= )

Michael,

I can round up some of my female wrestling pals, but they are going to be hard to pin down for the uh, spanking.

Bonus: They wear superhero costumes too.

Plus, they're FUN and can joke around. (ahem)

YAY!!
Thanks LD. Help a gal out.

If that's the case, stick with the Vicodin/tequila combo, then go to the machine gun shoot.

You'll hit every living thing within whatever radius you just happen to be aiming your blurry site at.

If you go take a look over at the Blogtower, it would seem some Greek citizens on the island of Lemnos are having a rabbit problem. And their solution? Weasels. From Germany. At $4.4K Euros a pop.

Offer yourself up as a one-man rabbit destroyer. Tell them you'll need to be loaded (yourself and your weapon) to do the job right. You'll do it for the price of 5 German crapweasels plus expenses.

KCTrio,
I commend you.
'Crapweasel' is one of the finest modern words ever invented, but damned hard to fit into normal conversation as often as one would want.

>>>APPLAUSE!

Well done.

If they're German, shouldn't that be krapweasels?

Krautweasels?

Krappenweasellner? (Damn these Germans and their shifty Euro-grammar!)

Laura,

I have a great admiration for your comments--yours are actually important, mine are goofs. ('Cept that part where I just said I respect you)

So when better to step in and bond with the superhero? It's a match made in heaven! Come on Batman, let my girls spank YOU cherry red! If that's not made for eachother, I don't know what is!!

Krappenweasellner

HAH! Perfect.

Thanks LD.
I don't think I've posted anything but goofs in a long time either, but thanks.
And spank him but good.

Oh, no KC, no mixing drugs/booze and automatic weaponry.

Too many krappenweasellern fatalities

lauraw: I'm humbled. The Krappenweasellner construction is spun gold. I don't know why some here even try. I thank you for this gift, and for your kind comments.

LD: I don't know whether to laugh or, from some strange reason, go bake bread (my appoligies to lauraw).

Hob: On a serious note, narcotics+booze=death. Your death. No need for the heavy artillery, you won't be able to use it. I stand corrected. But you still need to offer your services to the retarded island people of Lemnos. Just save the narcotics OR (not and) the booze for after your eradication.

Sorry utron. That was your word. I still stand by my comments about lauraw in general.

Loose shit.

Hob: shoot me. But please take your Vicodin/booze cocktail first.

"Offer yourself up as a one-man rabbit destroyer. Tell them you'll need to be loaded (yourself and your weapon) to do the job right. You'll do it for the price of 5 German crapweasels plus expenses."

maybe that's not a good idea, KCTrio, you've never seen Hobgoblin in his huntin' clothes. Luckily, I have a picture here.

Very good, Alex_fs.

I always wonderwd whewre that wascally hob got his wiewd ideas.

Fuckin' a. That does not look too menacing. But fuck. The island fools of Lemnos would probably think he was Rambo.

BWAHAHAHA! Bush standing up for middle- and working-class Americans?!? Now I've heard everything.

Really, you neocons are so charming, with the trusting way you use tortured logic to support your president at all costs.

So how's that Social Security privatization scheme working out for y'all?

Uh-oh, I guess we're all neocons now! Which is funny, because I don't recall ever being a liberal who got disappointed with the politics of the left. Anyway, somebody had better call Cedarford and let him know that the neocon cabal is lurking here in ace's comments.

Oh, and rangergordon, how's the whole electoral politics thing working out for you?

"how's the whole electoral politics thing working out for you?"

10.0 on the ol' SnarkMeter.

KC--

Bake bread?? I don't get it.

Of course if you want to do that, umm, have at it.

:)

Don't know rangergordon (if that is your real name).

How's not having control of a single branch of government working out for you?

KC, And if "baking bread" means something it shouldn't mean, nevermind.

(Just re-read my post and, well, you can never be too sure..)

KC:

I don't get "baking bread" either, but can you wait until the wrestlers are done with me?

Thanks, Megan. And to think I was just aiming for an 8.5.

Oh fuck. Another shit-disturber.

One question, Mr. "http://www.salon.com/news/feature/
2005/04/29/bush_polls/index_np.html" (aka rangergordon/commietroll): How's your public-pyramid-scheme-legalized-fraud-fake-retirement-plan-fuck-job working out for you? Are you married? Do you have kids? Do you have dreams of assigning them as beneficiaries of your fake retirement plan (read: Social Security)?

We conservatives (you might want to get your terms in line before you start casting them about) already have our soi-disant Social Security privatization plans. It's called our money that we've saved and decided, using our own brains, to put into things like IRAs, 401(k)s, CDs, MMDAs, UTMAs, 529s, and a myriad of other investment vehicles that we can bequeath to our loved ones, take out when we want (for non-retirement savings) and do whatever the hell we want with. What Bush is trying to do, fuckwad, is allow the lower and middle classes do the same fucking thing. You see, we conservatives have enough respect for our fellow man, no matter his economic conidtion, to want him to own these things himself and do with his money what he chooses.

It would appear you and your ilk have so little respect for the inate common sense of every man and woman in this country that you believe that the government is the only answer for whatever ails those in lower economic strata.

Are you a limosine liberal that already has these things? Is your idea of helping out your fellow man in need keeping him in need at the public trough? I heartily recommend a recent book written by Thomas Sowell. It might (long shot, I'm sure), give you some well-needed common sense.

Thank the Lord, LD, that you didn't get it. It's an inside joke over at Jack M's Blogtower site. I really shouldn't have dropped the reference, for many good reasons. Consider me insane. There are many here that would second that.

Forgive me. You see, I've been to culinary school and actually bake lots of fresh bread. But over at the Blogtower, I sort of went way over the edge in giving cooking advice, and then the comments I made took a life of their own. It's basically a gross reference, but by now, I'm sure you've figured that out. The net effect of the joke is "You'd never want to eat any bread I've made."

KC:

For starters, you have irrevocably identified yourself as a limousine conservative by using a phrase like "soi-disant." I mean, really, how many conservatives will resort to French in order to express themselves?

That being said, I'm a limousine conservative myself. Bush's indexing plan will screw me out of some of the ill-gotten gains that boomers like me might otherwise have expected from Social Security, but I really don't care. Like you, Social Security is a blip on my retirement plan. Frankly, I don't need welfare from Uncle Sam.

I think a lot of Americans of more modest means would feel better about themselves and their prospects when they get older if they felt like they were in control of their future, rather than relying on the largesse of civil servants.

In my view, the core of the Bush agenda is about inclulcating the sort of civic virtue without which a democracy cannot survive. The administration's proposals regarding Social Security are not about "saving" the financial viability of the system (in any event the Dems are right that the funding crises is hugely debatable). It's really about saving us from the political crack of dependancy on the government, rather than ourselves and our families.

P.S.

Ticket vendor: "No charge. You can go right in."

Batman: "No, I'd rather pay just like every other ordinary citizen."

P.P.S.

Robin: "Gosh, Economics is sure a dull subject."

Batman: "Oh, you must be jesting, Robin. Economics dull? The glamour, the romance of commerce... Hmm. It's the very lifeblood of our country's society."

The net effect of the joke is "You'd never want to eat any bread I've made."

Ahh. That's why I thought to re-consider my "have at it" remark...in case it was something a stranger shouldn't be directing you to do!!

Gosh, such a wealth of ideas for that subject...the jokes must have just written themselves....! :)

Grudge Match:

Soi Disant

vs.

Inclulcating

Loser goes five rounds with Rosie O'Retard !!

Mr. Meyers/Dr. Evil/Austin Powers/Fat Bastard/Cat-In-The-Hat/Shrek:

Yeah, I know, I do like to drop terms like "soi-disant" into a tirade. It's called arrogance. I mean, if I'm going to talk down to a troll (how else does one engage with one who refuses to engage and only resorts to sarcasm?), then why not drop a few fucking arrogant snot words whilst doing so?

But give me some credit; I did use fuckwad, fucking, fuck and shit-disturber. So that's at least four curse words for one snob word.

Plus, I forgot to call the troll a lickspittle.

That was me.

lickspittle !!

Next you'll be calling him a churl or a varlet

Cool. Guy cat-fight

Hey, April, what about my twisted William Blake verse? That had direct relevance to this thread and simply wreaked of arrogance.

I proclaim myself the winner.

Have fun with Rosie, Mr. Meyers.

Sorry for calling you April, LD. I humbly beg your affable rémission.

Wait, KC, you can't proclaim youself the winner. I was all settled in for a guy cat-fight!

Dang.

Do I have do break out my Norton Anthology of English Literature and start mangling Blake to get this thing started again?

KC:

You stupid slope-head retard. You meant to say "reeked", not "wreaked."

Moron. Knave.

But, you get big points for "lickspittle." I'm definitely going to swipe that in the future.

LD:

About the wrestlers, exactly how do we set this up?

And don't thing I missed "rémission," you frog-loving faggot. You can offer your rémission to Rosie when she has sampled your attentions.

One more thing Mr. Meyers:

You state:

Bush's indexing plan will screw me out of some of the ill-gotten gains that boomers like me might otherwise have expected from Social Security, but I really don't care.

While I enjoy the overall thrust of this statement, it is inherently invalid. Social Security is not a cash-value insurance plan, nor is it a pension fund.

Have you ever seen the old government notice put out to sell the Social Security system, entitled "Security in Your Old Age," addressed "To Employees of Industrial and Business Establishments--Factories, Shops, Mines, Stores, Offices and Other Places of Business."? It proclaimed that "Beginning November 24, 1936 the U.S. Government will set up a Social Security account for you, if you are eligible."

It explains how you and your employer will pay one cent for each dollar of earnings up to $3,000 for three years. At that point, the contributions will increase to 1.5 cents for another three years, then two cents, 2.5 cents and finally three cents. This final figure is in the form of a flat out promise. "Beginning in 1949, 12 years from now you and your employer will each pay three cents on each dollar you earn, up to $3,000 a year. That is the most you will ever pay."

The notice concludes with the guarantee that your money will go into a fund where it will draw 3% interest, thus adding three cents to every dollar in the fund each year. And it makes this promise: "What you get from the government plan will always be more than you paid in taxes and usually more than you can get for yourself by putting away the same amount of money each week in some other way."

This was a direct, flat out lie. The fund never earned money in your name or anyone's name. It uses current receipts to pay past obligations. In other words, it's a pyramid scheme. Indeed; the Supreme Court ruled that Social Security funds are general tax funds that can be used for any general government spending.

So to aver that Bush is somehow screwing you out of something promised is invalid because the entire system is based upon a lie. Therefore, how could Bush screw you out of something you never had coming to you; namely, your right to your own pension plan. If that's what it is, then Bush would be screwing you out of it. But since it's not, then he cannot.

But you already knew that. I'm just being an arrogant prick. Perforce, this missive.

Okay, somebody answer me this: is this a serious discussion about the topic or not? I can't figure it out.

Later,
bbeck

Dr. Evil:

How the fuck did you know that I loved French connard? That and their wine.

Fucker.

"Perforce" ! Now we're talking!! And "frog-loving faggot" Life is good again.

Some Blake for both of you:
"Always be ready to speak your mind, and a base man will avoid you.

The Eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn of the crow."

Michael: "About the wrestlers, exactly how do we set this up?"

Simply email me a photo of you in a Batman suit and I'll distribute it to the girls. Not to Ace or anybody else, never.

This was a direct, flat out lie.

Yeah, so what? You and I both figured out the lie about 25 years ago and planned accordingly. You and I both want the system changed so that other Americans have the same option.

Here's where we disagree -- I'm not going to use a faggoty word like "missive." Or "Perforce."

My bad for the typo on "inclulcating." That alone gets me feeling the hot breath of Rosie on my neck.

WTF is a "French connard." Are you trying to say "canard" or something? If you're going to be a frog-loving faggot, at least get you French right.

(Whew. May have recovered from "inclulcate.")

It's French slang meaning "asshole."

Connard.

Simply email me a photo of you in a Batman suit and I'll distribute it to the girls. Not to Ace or anybody else, never.\

LD:

You are not going to believe this, but I actually own a Batman suit. It's hanging next to my Tommy Hilfiger tuxedo. And I am nowhere near stupid enough to believe you will not immediately turn over a photo to Ace. Don't think I haven't noticed the twisted side of your personality.

"How the fuck did you know that I loved French connard?"
It's French slang meaning "asshole."

Ah, you like French squeakhole?

Not that there's anything wro....you know how it goes.

Actually, LD, I actually prefer hirsute Latino ass.

If I'm going to take this line of filth as far as it'll go, I might as well get things cleared up.

*sigh* Well, Michael, it was worth a try.

But your admission that you actually own a Batman suit is almost as good !

Twisted side of my personality?! I have no idea what you're talking about Mr. Meyers!

Hirsute Latino Ass.

Let it be entered into the record.... Who is weirder, the guy with the Batman suit or the guy who likes hairy foreign ass?

Dang. Me again.

What's with all of the French and poetry being spouted in this thread, you mincing fairies?

I'd point out that this is some loose shit, but I'm sure with your--uh-- " lifestyle choices," you're used to that.

Before you vote, I just want to mention that I got the Batman suit for a skit at work. It was not a fetish thing, like hirsute Latino ass.

LD:

The really fun Blake stuff (aside from his beautiful watercolor paintings that accompanied some of his best poems) are his fragmentary writings and aphorisms.

A sampling:

1)
When a Man has Married a Wife, he finds out whether
Her knees and elbows are only glewed together.

2)
Terror in the house does roar,
But Pity stands before the door.

3)
Silent, Silent Night
Quench the holy light
Of thy torches bright.

For possess'd of Day
Thousand spirits stray
That sweet joys betray

Why should joys be sweet
Used with deceit
Nor with sorrows meet?

But an honest joy
Does itself destroy
For a harlot coy.

4)
Abstinence sows sand all over
The ruddy limbs and flaming hair,
But Desire Gratified
Plants fruits of life and beauty there.

5)
In a wife I would desire
What in whores is always found--
The lineaments of Gratifed Desire.

6)
AN ANSWER TO THE PARSON

"Why of the sheep do you not learn peace?"
"Because I don't want you to shear my fleece."

7)
The look of love alarms
Because 'tis fill'd with fire;
But the look of soft deceit
Shall win the lover's hire.

8)
Her whole Life is an Epigram, smart, smooth, and neatly pen'd,
Platted quite neat to catch applause with a sliding noose at the end.

That's enough Blake for now. Ace: kill me. However, the man clearly wrote like a Viking.

Come on, Sean M. You know you love hot cock and hairy Latino ass.

Now bend over, I'm on fucking fire.

KC:

I surrender. You my by a frog-loving, hirsute-Latino-squeekhole-fucker, but if you can come up with Blake quotes faster than I can come up with Batman quotes, well, I'm just out of my league. Looks like I'm Rosie's bitch.

Michael:

It's all in fun, right? You basically had the same thoughts on Social Security that I had. I liked the exchange. The filthier the better.

Plus, I owe LD an appology. She did quote from Blake's fragments.

I'm not fond of cock, nor am I fond of any sort of hirsute ass, you fancy poofter.

And if your cock is on fire, you might want to see a doctor about some antibiotics. You can pick up some really aggressive STDs hanging around down by the docks.

Sean M:

I cannot be anything other than what was given by the owner of this site.

Bob Dole's Cock is on Fucking Fire

I see that Ace did not endow me with homosexual tendencies. So I must retract my command to you.

But you must worship me, manfully.

Why should joys be sweet
Used with deceit
Nor with sorrows meet?

All in fun? Why don't you contemplate the prospect of screwing Rosie? Do you think you would have a je ne sai quois attitude about it?

You Frog-loving, limousine conservative, slope-head 'tard.

I said I was the loser. I didn't say I wasn't going to be a sore loser.

Good night.

Well, as long as it's like a Viking, I guess that's a fair compromise. I bow to the superiority of Bob Dole's Cock, but I ain't touching it.

But the rest of you are a bunch of flouncing pansies.

You just won.

> He that binds himself to a hate,
Does the unhinged life conflate.
But he that leaves the hate where it lies,
Lives in sanity's sunrise.

> I think if hate becomes your ideology, you have lost all sense of anything sane.

Love the comment! Couldn't agree more! Did you know Landfair Furniture and Moving offers the lowest prices on -- oh, never mind.

KCTrio, when you have a moment, I hope you will check out this post of substance and conscious .

Dimmy/Instapunk Linker:

Though I agree with the sentiments in that thread, I have some serious disagreements with what they are attempting to do.

Here are my issues, as best as I can convey them:

1) Clearly, the Democratic Underground is one notch below KOS and others, but not by much. However, KOS is virulent enough, so we don't need the DU as our point of contention or level of visceral.
2) KOS wields considerable power both in the DNC and in the media (the DU wields nothing, though they do seem to get quoted whenever the MSM wants to do a generic article about Bloggers). KOS readers have the unvarnished hate language, and their numbers are just large enough to cause people to take notice. No matter how far out of line their hatred goes, both the MSM and elected Democrats water down the KOS swarm;
3) Thus, the waterd-down KOS vitriol makes its way into the mainstream through daily news stories and talking points from elected Democrats. We also have KOS's power to get Dean elected as DNC Chairman.
4) Why in the hell would we want to break this cycle? The KOS swarm freaks are pulling the DNC and the MSM farther left. They are digging their own grave. Hate doesn't win elections, and it certainly doesn't get them much respect from the common man. Most people read this shit in the paper or hear a little snippet from Nancy Pelosi or Dingy Reed, and think to themselves, "These people are fucking insane."

Here's what gets me worried. Bush does a very good job when he's in front of the camera. Clearly, the man is likeable. But he also stumbles and stutters when he speaks, which the media makes fun of. So what; he's quick on his feet, and comes across as honest and genuine. Why don't his handlers get him out more, in front of the camera? He's really good when he's confident. That's what needs to be done.

Getting Hugh Hewitt or anyone else in the Blogosphere to counter these slimeballs over at DU or KOS would be a waste of time. Why? The right side of the Blogosphere focuses on taking down the MSM. The left side of the Blogosphere drags the MSM and the DNC farther left. Both phenomena benefit conservatives. Isn't that a good reason to leave KOS and the DU free to go about their business with no counterpunch? Why counter a bunch of freaks on something when they are busy making themselves look like freaks? When whatever the fuck they are doing starts threatening my party, then I may think it necessary, but I just can't see how that can happen. [Much of the above analysis/observations comes from Michael Barone's latest column on this topic, which I linked to earlier in this thread.]

I too acknowledge the manly superiority of BobDolesCock, chemically enhanced diamond cutter that it is.

When he isn't giving it to SpewFan, he trolled for succulant man-boy bait like Sean M. though.

Wouldn't a Jenna Jameson love doll with authentic silicon boobs and a fully washable lovenest be readier when SpewFan's orifices aren't, BobDolesCock???

BTW - Real story. Back in 2003, the Coast Guard rescued the 7-man crew of of the Shintasi Maru after the ship went down in a Pacific Typhoon. The men, all Japanese, barely had time to escape with whatever prized possessions they could snatch up. As the cutter approached their liferaft, they saw what appeared to be naked females tied alongside the lifeboat. 3 of the crew had salvaged their lovedolls, and in an encounter I would have paid significant money to film, angrily insisted on bringing their lovedolls on board the Cutter. A female Coastie is said to have wet her pants from laughing. The Japanese captain finally ordered his very depressed men (they had grown very "attached" to the dolls on long voyages) to leave the 3 lovedolls behind.

The lovedolls were last seen drifting away to the north, where they might catch the Japan Current....from the Coast Guard rescue vessel, 200 miles northeast of Hawaii. Did they sink? Or was some Canadian Inuit fisherman "lucky"?

KCTrio, fair enough. My only attempt at a counterargument would be the old "slippery slope" argument that when freakishness becomes pervasive enough it can stop looking like freakishness and become accepted (with however many sighs and shrugs) as business as usual.

I have to admit, though, that in my experience with righty blogs such commenters tend to get jerked up short by the proprietors pretty quick. But that's because we're fascists who hate free speech, don't ya know. :)

Wow, Cedarford, I've gotta hand it to you. While your comment had absolutely nothing what-so-fucking-ever to do with anything being discussed on this thread, you managed not to come off as an anti-semitic cunt for once.

Congratulations!

Sean M:

I had the exact same sentiments. Let me give it a try and see if I can reconstruct a classic paleotroll invective. Let's call it, The Post That Might Have Been.

Look, Daily KOS and their broader supporters in the DNC are going to grab onto anything they can to take down the Bush administration. Bush really fucked up with the Schiavo case, because the woman's brain was liquified and her husband was her rightful guardian. The lower court ruled appropriately, and after scores of appeals, Michael Schiavo's underlying argument was proven correct.

But Bush had to pay homage to the Right-To-Lifers, otherwise known as the Christian Taliban, and thus he and his RTL-controlled lotion boys in Congress made an unconstitutional move to intervene in what should have been an entirely private matter.

With this social security thing, the KOS folks may be misfiring, but not because their goal is wrong, just their arguments are wrong.

The Bush administration is controlled by Jews, who, after having their fill of pre-emptive wars abroad, needed to turn their iron fist to domestic issues. And, since Jews control the money supply, any Social Security reform that involves private accounts will logically put even more power into the hands of Jews. It'll flood billions of tax dollars into Jewish-controlled investment firms, institutional investment houses and advisors, all Jews, and line their pockets handsomely. But more importantly, private accounts will give total control of one of the single largest tax sources over to the Jews.

Thus, through the use of the massive levers of the military AND capital, the Jews will control most of everything in our society. I mean, look, Ari Fleicher may have resigned, but he's still controlling Scott McLellan's brain, which is also liquified, by the way.

Now let's look at the crossroad where Global Finance, Military Power and Diplomacy intersect: The IMF, the Pro-Zionist Military and the UN. Now, the UN is the only International voice where the anti-Zionist forces hold some sway and aren't tools of the Jews. But with Wolfowitz running the IMF, that lever's gone. With the likely appointment of Bolton to the post of UN Ambassador, the UN will become another Jew-controlled institution. After all, Bolton was the chief architect of repealing the anti-Zionist Resolution 3379. If that Resolution had past, perhaps our country's foreign policy wouldn't be all-Jew-all-the-time. But with Bolton, he fucked that potential and with his appointment, he'll fuck it to death.

And what the fuck is this Batman, Robin shit? They are all a bunch of Jewish-controlled comic book characters. And why the fuck are people quoting William Blake? That guy was either a Jew or a Jew-cock lover. Either way, Blake was a force of darkness.

And why all this talk about hairy Latino asses, French assholes and other such nonsense. Spewfan should have been right in there saying "I love all cock and ass." And so do you, Sean M. You are a cock lover with semen oozing out of every orifice just like your Jew-loving, RTL-humping buddies just like the rest of the neocons on this site.

And did you know that one night I got to cop a feel of a woman's fake tits?

Fuck all you neocons. Either the GOP will return to it's Jew-hating, anti-big-government, anti-immigration roots, or you all are going to go down in flames.

Alrighty!

We're on again!

And...Let's have some more Blake quotations, and don't be afraid to include Robert alongside William.

LD:

Could you be more specific? Are you referring to William Blake's brother, Robert, who died at the age of 27 while the two of them owned a printing business? Or, are you referring to Robert Bowlby Blake that just was acquitted from charges of the murder of Bonny Lee Bakely?

And what the fuck is this Batman, Robin shit? They are all a bunch of Jewish-controlled comic book characters.

Whoa! You've gone too far.

Please don't make me start feeling like I'm on Cedarford's side. Please. I'm begging you.

Jimmy Buffet and I dedicate the following to cedarford

Were you born an asshole?
Or did you work at it your whole life?
Either way it worked out fine
'cause you're an asshole tonight.

Yes you're an A-S-S-H-O-L-E...
And don't you try to blame it on me.
You deserve all the credit.
You're an asshole tonight.

You were an asshole yesterday.
You're an asshole tonight.
And I've got a feelin'
you'll be an asshole the rest of your life.

And I was talkin' to your mother
just the other night.
I told her I thought you were an asshole.
She said, "Yes. I think you're right."

And all your friends are assholes
'cause you've known them your whole life.
And somebody told me
you've got an asshole for a wife.

Were you born an asshole?
Or did you work at it your whole life?
Either way it worked out fine
'cause you're an aaaass...hole tonight.

Sorry, Michael, but Batman and Robin was created by a Jew-humping cartoonist who worked for a New York-based 2-Jew--owned studio. Mr. Kane was even inspired by another Jew cartoonist, that created Dick (Jew-cock) Tracy.

KC,

Ha ha. Just for that you get a quiz. No cheating. What is this from?

"Yet all experience is an arch wherethrough
Gleams that untraveled world whose margin fades
Forever and forever when I move.
How Dull it is to pause, to make an end,
To rust unburnished, not to shine in use!
As though to breathe were life!

Alfred, Lord Tennyson, Ulysses

Oh boy, after the asshole song, I apologize for the poem. Way off mood.

Carry on guys--you're far more entertaining than a Lit-Dweeb.

I'll just step in if anybody needs female wrestler spanking.

*creeping away*

Bob Dole's Cock:

I said please, you Satanic piece of dreck. And I thought Cedarford's story about the Japanese sailors with their love dolls was hilarious. THANK YOU CEDARFORD.

And accusing Cedarford of being OT is totally ridiculous. Sheesh, the original post was about reducing SS benefits for the rich. Is that what you're commenting on?

(God help me. I just defended Cedarford.)

Whoa, but Michael has brought me back with his lightning quick, hopefully not Google-assisted answer. Well done!

You fucker. I go out for a quick smoke, and you beat me to the punch.

Lines 19-24. That's all I can add.

KC, You're such an overachiever!

LD,

Please accept my apology for interfering with your admirable efforts to raise the level of discourse around here. The fact you're a renaissance woman AND a wrestler sends shivers up and down my spine.

I am a person!

I'll just step in if anybody needs female wrestler spanking.

Do you really think anyone is going to rise to that bait? We're not all pervs like BrewFan.

Exactly how many female wrestlers do you know?

Michael:

Look, I'm a sentient cock that's on fire, with an inner muse. I'm a character playing another character. I wasn't conveying my personal views on Batman and Robin, I was conveying my in-character views on B&R.

Please view my comments through this. After all, even Bob Dole's Cock needs to have some kind of hobby, and at this time, I've decided to play a character. We fire-breathing cocks need to keep things interesting, you know.

You fucker. I go out for a quick smoke, and you beat me to the punch.

Wife doesn't let you smoke in the house, huh? Why am I not surprised.

Hey Cedarford, do you smoke in the house?

BrewFan,

Oh, no I love it when you guys are ripping each other apart, cause I know it's done with love...

KC just lured me into poetry (note how I shift the blame) and I couldn't resist. Somebody should take away my keyboard, really.

See you at 'Tardstock!

"We're not all pervs like BrewFan"

I'm not a perv. BTW, would you like to buy some pictures of your wife naked?

I wasn't conveying my personal views on Batman and Robin, I was conveying my in-character views on B&R.

Bob Dole's Cock:

Appreciate the olive branch, I really do. But blasphemy is blasphemy. Your schizophrenia is no excuse.

cedarford smokes man sausage

Michael:

What kind of husband and father would I be if I smoked inside? I'm dumb enough smoking as it is. To smoke in the house would be even more dumb.

It's not a matter of who lets whom. It's a matter of who has the brains to keep the smokes where they belong: Outside.

"Exactly how many female wrestlers do you know?"

More than necessary, Michael. It won't take many to wrap you up in your cape and hang you out the window by your feet. Make you prove you really do have Bat Powers! :)

Sheesh, Batman doesn't have powers.

Your schizophrenia is no excuse.

So an anthropomorphic character can have schizophrenia? How the fuck did you know that? You try finding a doctor who'll prescribe anti-depressants to a cock.

What kind of husband and father would I be if I smoked inside?

Well, um, uh, actually, I'm only allowed to smoke in one room if the air purifier is running. Fortunately, the computer is in here.

It won't take many to wrap you up in your cape and hang you out the window by your feet.

I'm really not interested. The whole wrestler thing is just really sick and wierd.

But hypothetically, if your wrestler friends had a guy in a Batman suit hanging out the window, would they be spanking him until he managed to exert his Batpowers and extricate himself from the situation?

...would they be spanking him until he managed to exert his Batpowers and extricate himself from the situation?

Um, what did I just say re: Batman and powers?

Fucking morons.

Wow. This is just the best blog I ever visited. I agree totally with Bob Dole's Cock.

You don't need anti-depressants, Bob. You just need PURE HERBAL VIAGRA. I personally guarantee that PURE HERBAL VIAGRA will make you feel ten years younger. Your love life will come alive like you can't even imagine. You will be able to satisfy BrewFan five, six, even seven times in a row!

So place your order now for PURE HERBAL VIAGRA, shipped in a discreet package, and get the most out of life!

Brewfan:

Very nice verse. I'm impressed.

I think it beats the two songs I wrote on the same topic.

"You will be able to satisfy BrewFan five, six, even seven times in a row"

Wow! Just like Michael's mom!

KC,

I wish I could take credit but I can't. All I can do is give the song context :)

Well, we know what country stiffens BobDolesCock, and it doesn't appear to be the USA.

Isn't there something pathetic that has crept into conservatism - in saying only one country is above criticism, and that country is NOT America??

Plenty of people in plenty of countries have "suffered" yet are not ideologically sacrosanct. The reluctance of the Religious Right and Neocon-Right to criticize Israel is more akin to the hard Left's reluctance to criticize the Soviet Union for any action they did...... than they realize.

Some recent refreshers:

1. 144 Knesset members signed a resolution in early 2005 demanding America release Jonathan Pollard, their hero, as a condition for working towards a ME peace. American Pollard obtained top secret satellite tech data and detailing information which was passed on to Israel which then gave it all to the Soviet Union as a bargaining chip for obtaining more exit visas for disssident Soviet Jews.

2. Israel has just been banished from the F-35 fighter development multi-nation team because of its continued treachery passing US defense technology on to China despite being caught red-handed at it again and again. And it's arrogance in counting on the AIPAC to lobby and money the pockets of American politicians to keep Israel 1st in line for advanced secret US technology, despite those transgressions.

3. The AIPAC lobby, where at least two of its dual loyalty execs are in the Grand Jury on efforts to use personnel with strong sympathies for Israel to penetrate DOD and State. AIPAC, where FBI agents with guns drawn faced down the Israeli special security guards AIPAC hired to guard their premises.

4. On polls why American has become so unpopular in the last 20 years in the eyes of nations we had deep ties and friendship with - two answers predominate. America's arrogant ways, and, its blind support for Israel's brutal policies.

Think of Israel as another France. A basic backstabber.

Who will sell us out for money or advancing their interests even if it seriously hurts ours, no problem!

There is the truth that there are far more odious nations than Israel in the ME, Africa, and Asia. And we all hammer them freely. But the core truth is that Israel is no ally of America, nor are the dual loyalty Americans that back Israel no matter what responsible Americans, or those who view only Israel should be exempt from criticism as the highest conservative principle of all, true conservatives.

BTW, BobDolesCock will liquify when the Schiavo autopsy results are released.

Brewfan:

The fucker won't even accept an olive branch from an anthropomorphic cock. Has this fucker forgotten that I breathe fire, and am also serving directly under the ghost of General Patton?

I'm going to find the fucker and burn him to a crisp.

There you go, Sean M. I didn't even need to play another character. My attempt was only a pitiful reflection of the real McCoy.

Cedarford: In case you haven't noticed, I'm an eternal being forged from tempered steel. I can also breathe fire, you fucker. Just remember that when the autopsy reports come out. I'll find you. Not to worry.

I recommend having a fire hose handy. It won't work, but at least it'll give you the feeling of having a large member in your soon-to-be-seared hands.

Michael:

Go ahead, the floor is yours.

God help me. I just defended Cedarford.

Well, we're all waiting. Let the defense begin.

There is the truth that there are far more odious nations than Israel in the ME, Africa, and Asia. And we all hammer them freely.

Look, I think that Israel is not "above criticism"--if they fuck up, people ought to call them on it.

But you're not (despite your inevitable protestations to the contrary) only criticizing the country, you're also constantly harping on "dual-loyalty" American Jews, "liberal Jew lawyers," etc.

I suspect life would be a lot easier for you if you could work your way out of denial and admit that you're a fucking Nazi.

Twat.

Sean M:

I ask you:

Which one's better: My pitiful attempt (below), or the real thing?

Also, how the fuck do you do those cool-ass boxes around the quoted text? I'm not an all-knowing cock, and I'd really like to know how to do that. I'm a cock that loves a good box.

Look, Daily KOS and their broader supporters in the DNC are going to grab onto anything they can to take down the Bush administration. Bush really fucked up with the Schiavo case, because the woman's brain was liquified and her husband was her rightful guardian. The lower court ruled appropriately, and after scores of appeals, Michael Schiavo's underlying argument was proven correct.

But Bush had to pay homage to the Right-To-Lifers, otherwise known as the Christian Taliban, and thus he and his RTL-controlled lotion boys in Congress made an unconstitutional move to intervene in what should have been an entirely private matter.

With this social security thing, the KOS folks may be misfiring, but not because their goal is wrong, just their arguments are wrong.

The Bush administration is controlled by Jews, who, after having their fill of pre-emptive wars abroad, needed to turn their iron fist to domestic issues. And, since Jews control the money supply, any Social Security reform that involves private accounts will logically put even more power into the hands of Jews. It'll flood billions of tax dollars into Jewish-controlled investment firms, institutional investment houses and advisors, all Jews, and line their pockets handsomely. But more importantly, private accounts will give total control of one of the single largest tax sources over to the Jews.

Thus, through the use of the massive levers of the military AND capital, the Jews will control most of everything in our society. I mean, look, Ari Fleicher may have resigned, but he's still controlling Scott McLellan's brain, which is also liquified, by the way.

Now let's look at the crossroad where Global Finance, Military Power and Diplomacy intersect: The IMF, the Pro-Zionist Military and the UN. Now, the UN is the only International voice where the anti-Zionist forces hold some sway and aren't tools of the Jews. But with Wolfowitz running the IMF, that lever's gone. With the likely appointment of Bolton to the post of UN Ambassador, the UN will become another Jew-controlled institution. After all, Bolton was the chief architect of repealing the anti-Zionist Resolution 3379. If that Resolution had past, perhaps our country's foreign policy wouldn't be all-Jew-all-the-time. But with Bolton, he fucked that potential and with his appointment, he'll fuck it to death.

And what the fuck is this Batman, Robin shit? They are all a bunch of Jewish-controlled comic book characters. And why the fuck are people quoting William Blake? That guy was either a Jew or a Jew-cock lover. Either way, Blake was a force of darkness.

And why all this talk about hairy Latino asses, French assholes and other such nonsense. Spewfan should have been right in there saying "I love all cock and ass." And so do you, Sean M. You are a cock lover with semen oozing out of every orifice just like your Jew-loving, RTL-humping buddies just like the rest of the neocons on this site.

And did you know that one night I got to cop a feel of a woman's fake tits?

Fuck all you neocons. Either the GOP will return to it's Jew-hating, anti-big-government, anti-immigration roots, or you all are going to go down in flames.

Cool-ass boxes?

The 'blockquote' command. .

Okay, it removed the important part. Put the word 'blockquote' between the html brackets.

Oh for Pete's sake.

Let's just assume that Cedarford is a Joo-hating Nazi. Let's ignore that for a minute, and maybe just take a look at what he says.

Does anyone really doubt the following:

1. Jews have a disproportionate influence on American politics. They are concentrated in key states (New York, Florida) where they constitute a swing vote that can decide the outcome of national elections. And they turn out to vote. Hence, politicians tread lightly when it comes to issues that motivate Jews. Nothing wrong with this, it's just a fact. More or less like AARP members have a disproportionate influence on American politics.

2. American Jews have a visceral affiliation with the state of Israel, as well they should. They and their parents and grandparents may never have lived there, but Israel is uniformly revered as the "homeland" that they lacked for so many centuries.

3. Politicians fear the possibility that American Jews may vote on the basis of a politician's perceived support for Israel's interests, even if Israel's interests are inconsistent with what is otherwise in the best interests of America. Nothing wrong with this, it's just a fact. Nor are Jews unique in this regard -- consider the anti-Castro Cuban vote, for example, which consistently symies a rational policy toward Cuba.

4. Like any other country, Israel acts in its own best interests. They are not our friends if it is in their national interest to screw us. Given their precarious situation, I suppose it is understandable that they are more focused on self-preservation than most states. Israel has repeatedly resorted to the types of activities that Cedarford describes -- spying, stealing our technology, selling our technology to countries that are hostile to us, etc.

5. Many of our leaders, for political and ideological reasons, are unwilling to engage in a candid discussion about America's relationship with Israel, and this infects our ability to deal with the Muslim world. Muslims perceive America as being blindly loyal to Israel, and thus, hostile to them. They have a point. It's hard for them to understand why we get all lathered up about Iran's nuclear program, but nobody is willing to say a word about Israel's nukes. OK, maybe we just think that Israel is more likely to be responsible with nukes, and they need the deterrent more than most countries. But, we don't even talk about the issue.

Is any of this really controversial? So maybe Cedarford comes off as frothing at the mouth on occasion, but for the most part he is just pointing out the obvious.

And BTW, the Japanese-sailor-love-doll story was the funniest thing I've seen all day. Can't anybody give him credit for that gem?

"Let's just assume that Cedarford is a Joo-hating Nazi."

Why would anyone need to postulate proven fact?

"Let's ignore that for a minute"

No.

"just take a look at what he says."

No.

"Can't anybody give him credit for [anything]"

No.

. . . . Being anti-Castro is irrational?

Michael, the difference in the way you talk about this issue and the way Cedarford does:

You paint the Jewish vote as one constituency of many whose influence needs to be considered in political strategy

Cedarford discusses Jews as a corrupt political infection, brought about by the fact that Jews are power-hungry mongrels

So ultimately, even though some of the conclusions reached are similar, what you're saying is hardly the same thing Cedarford is saying.

Later,
bbeck

Well, Michael, if you look back you'll see that I congratulated him for that post. Granted, it was a rather back-handed compliment, but still...

Megan's got the right idea about anything Cedarford says. What -should- be obvious is that the little Nazi fuck will abuse any little factoid he can get his stubby fingers around. Is that hard to understand? Michael Moore can use his drool to glue individual facts into a gooey lie. It's not hard.

Truth is irrelevant with Cedarford, and giving him any comfort or relevance is something to be ashamed of.

No

Megan:

ROFLMAO

Michael, bbeck's right - like I've been saying, the source matters. Also, as to your last implied question - "we don't even talk about such matters" - we don't talk about these matters to a large degree because of people like CF.

Criticism of Israel, like it or not, is almost always (99.99999999% of the time at the very least) code for "Let's put those Jew fuckers back in the ovens where they belong." So when we have a problem with what Israel is doing we take it up with Israel, directly, quietly, and discreetly, at a high government-to-government level.

Because the instant you start criticizing Israel in anything but the most carefully calibrated language, CF's ideological brothers will read it as a carte blanche to the streets and murder a thousand Israelis. Or a million. Or six million. That, after all, is their goal.

And that is why we have to be extraordinarily careful, in this matter, about what we say and when we say it. And who hears it.

And this is the other problem with Cedarford. He posts something, and suddenly we're all talking about him, and what a Nazi he is, etc.

Can't we all just go back to a simpler time? A time spent arguing about stuff that geeks would be embarrassed about, smearing each other's sexual preferences, and calling each other retards/morons/twats?

"a carte blanche to take to the streets," shoulda been, in my last post.

As for #5 on your list ("Muslims perceive America as being blindly loyal to Israel"), this isn't a problem or an unforeseen consequence of our policy: it is the direct, explicit, stated, and desired goal of our policy. We want the blood-crazed Mohammedans to perceive the US as being "blindly loyal" to Israel. The instant they think we're wavering, they WILL attack, and tens of thousands more will die.

We're in the business of saving lives, and if in the process we pander a bit to AIPAC across the political spectrum, I really don't give a damn.

Moslems hate us as a result? So what. They would, and do, hate us anyway. Fuck 'em.

Megan:

Do you really think CF wants to fire up the gas ovens? I don't get that from what he says. He just sounds like he's pissed off because Israel gets a free pass from the U.S. for it's various transgressions that, in his view, it does not deserve.

I don't personally dispute the notion that Israel, in light of a history that includes the Assyrian destruction of the Northern Kingdom, the Babylonian captivity of Judah, the expulsion of Jews from Spain, the Russian pogroms, the Holocaust (and on and on) should be treated with deference. But I don't think Cedarford's attitude can casually by associated with genocide.

Just isn't fair.

Sean, I'm with you. Cedarford is just a wanker and it's high time references to him be removed from the Ace of Spades lexicon...except for the occasional cheap shot.

Later,
bbeck

Michael/Noble/whoever you are,
You haven't been reading the comments on this blog for very long, have you?

The guy is a fucking brownshirt. We aren't kidding.

"And this is the other problem with Cedarford. He posts something, and suddenly we're all talking about him, and what a Nazi he is, etc. Can't we all just go back to a simpler time?"

Heh. I remember it was the same way at the Belmont Club. Everyone would be having a perfectly civil conversation, chock-full of phrases like "I respectfully disagree with that position" and "I feel you haven't completely acknowledged the consequences of the cited policy." It was like a bunch of people writing to the editor at The Economist. Some of them actually did begin their posts with "Sir -" and I wouldn't have been surprised if most had a copy of Emily Post's Etiquette next to their keyboards.

Then CF would show his face, and all of a sudden the thread would dissolve into "SHUT UP YOU FUCKING NAZI," "GET THAT GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKER OUT OF THIS THREAD," and "JESUS CHRIST WRETCHARD, WHY HAVEN'T YOU BANNED THIS COCKSUCKING SHITEATER YET?!"

Funny to watch. Does anyone know if there's a forum anywhere on the Internet where CF isn't virulently loathed by the overwhelming majority of posters?

(Aryan-Nations.org doesn't count.)

Sean:

Well, you're right, I've only been reading CF's posts for a few months. Maybe he has toned down or something. Still, the love-doll story was funny. Even a Nazi can have a sense of humor.

Anyway, how the fuck did I get suckered into defending Cedarford. If I want to get spanked, I'll talk to LD about her wrestler girlfriends. Right now, I'm missing the Spurs-Nuggets game.

Just a trip down memory lane. Two old chestnuts I just happened to have handy. We all like music, right? There's one here for oldies/crooner fans, and another for punk rock fans.

Bbeck, tell me if I'm breaking your rule. Because, well, you're wise.

1) Cedartista
Sung in the melody of "Mona Lisa"

Cedartista, Cedartista, men have named you
You outrank all crazies by a Marxist mile
Is it only 'cause you're lonely we have flamed you
For that Cedartista strangeness in your smile
Does your guile stem from madness, Cedartista
Or has just your brain been ripped apart?

Cogent thoughts have been formed in your cortex
Then they lie there, and they die there
You are mad, you're surreal, Cedartista
You're our trolling loony, lovely work of art

Cedartista....Cedartista

2) Cedar Is a Cock Sucker
Sung in the style of "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker"

Well, the tin foil hats are on and ready to go
Cedar's leadin' the show now
Their cocks are engorged
And they're going to the Twin Towers hole au go go
Cedar just had to say
What the Jews did that day
Cause New York City really had it comin'
Oh yeah, Oh yeah

Cedar is a cock sucker
Cedar is a cock sucker
Cedar is a cock sucker now
He's a cock cock, a cock sucker
Cock cock, a cock sucker
Cock cock, a cock sucker

"Do you really think CF wants to fire up the gas ovens?"

I can't say what anyone "wants" to do. I can say that the kinds of things CF says are linguistically, syntactically, and tonally indistinguishable from people who have fired up the ovens in the past.

In other words - yes.

KC, is THAT is breaking my rule, then I need to change the rule. Funny stuff!

Later,
bbeck

Spurs/Nuggets are tied at 19.

Y'all realize that Cedarford just eats this stuff up, don't you?

~I~ do, Noble. The guy has one reason to come here, and that's to get attention. To some people, even negative attention is more than they normally get and more than they deserve.

Later,
bbeck

Spurs 33, Nuggets 22. And Tim Duncan is on the bench!

To some people, even negative attention is more than they normally get and more than they deserve.

Having recently suffered from the reaction to my Batman quotes, that's a little hard to believe.

So why'd you change your name, Michael? Feelin' a li'l picked upon?

Later,
bbeck

Spurs 36, Denver 26. Duncan still on the bench in foul trouble. Many Ginobili is on fire.

So why'd you change your name, Michael? Feelin' a li'l picked upon?

I change my name all the time. It doesn't make me anonymous -- click on the name and you'll get Michael Meyer every time.

And yes, I'm feeling picked upon.

*Sniff*

Michael,

ah, don't feel picked upon.

You don't know what "picked upon" really is.

Wait till the wrestling chicks show up.

(ok, stopping this, back to Blake)

Megan, you slimey Zionist.

60 years of demanding no American criticise your folks because "Oh, we suffered so" ----wears very old.

America is the last country where you can actively stifle thought by claiming any criticism of your beloved Israel is just a prelude to the gas ovens. Though 50 years of censorship in America by slinging the dread "anti-Semitic/Nazi slur is coming to an end. That nonsense is dissipating here as it did in Canada, Australia, UK, and France in the last 15 years.

Deal with that fact, bitch.

Israel has knifed us in the back too many times to pretend it is anything other than a glorified France.

As for Jewish-Americans, many do have dual loyalty, or loyalty 1st to Israel, and it is a significant problem. Orders of magnitude worse than Cuban-Americans manipulating America's Southern Hemisphere policy to the overall detriment of America's vital interests.

For you, "heh" rings clear as a giveaway in determining your affiliations, and perhaps where your true affections lie.

For the likes of KCTrio, crunch time is coming and I hope he realizes that. I have little sympathy for a Johnny Walker Lindh who loves the Taliban over America, little sympathy for a KCTrio who belittles those who hold America's interests over those of Israel's. KCTrio might benefit from a little self-examination on where his own ultimate loyalties lie.

Well, if I wanted to pick on you I'd tell you how much I hate basketball. ;)

Defending CF has got to be a thankless job, though, kind of like a bum who gets mad when you don't give him enough money.

Later,
bbeck

Half time at the Spurs/Nuggets game, so . . .

I support the Bush initiative to add an element of means-testing to the Social Security program. I'll be a victim of this, but SS is really a welfare program and I don't need it. Others do. And I think that revising the program so that working Americans of modest means can invest their own money in their own future is a good thing. Last I heard, this was a big success in Argentina.

Well, Cedarford, you've stated an axiom. We all could benefit from a little bit of self-examination.

I have a question for you: Do you enjoy self-sealing arguments? Since when did I aver that strong support for Israel supervenes by necessity a lessening of one's support for America? The two are not mutually exclusive. One can strongly support Israel and America, especially when our two countries' interests are shared.

And I never accused you or anyone else who specifically criticizes an Israeli action as immediately being a Jew hater.

But if one were to take your posts in aggregate, I believe that the charge of anti-Zionist is fairly cast at your feet.

Now, as to searching. I did just that. After having taken Megan's mention of your rantings over at The Belmont Club, I did a search over at that site, and it would appear that you play the same games there that you do here. And not only that, but your rants have inspired doggerel verse. Here's one I found:

There was once a comrade, named Cedarford
I think the Collective,
Is what he'd preferred.

Three-parts factually right,
One-part demagogue fright,

Are his complicated posts,
either bleat or blurred.

See, Cedarford, I've grown already, using your suggestion.

Megan, that was some searching I really didn't need. But I knew what I was getting into before I started.

Should there be any English Lit geeks still monitoring this stupid thread, I offer the following:

Batman: "The best-laid plans of mice and men oft gong agley."

And yep, I know it's actually "gang oft aglae."

KCTrio, you're a poseur and we all know it. I'm the real deal here - you're probably just feeling the aftereffects of a mild dose of our evil Jewish mind-control beams. Let's get back to the important thing in this discussion - me.

Because I mean wow - this is just so cool! Turns out I'm a "slimey [sic] lying Zionist pig" whose "affiliations" and "true affections" can be discerned through my use of a single three-letter, one-syllable onomatopaeic word. All these years going to Catholic services, attending Jesuit schools, and I had no idea that all along I was secretly, in my heart of hearts, a dirty stinking rotten Jew!

That "heh" sure cleared things up!

Oh. My. God. I just realized. Insty must preside over every meeting of the Elders of Zion in person! Probably wrote the Protocols himself!

And if "heh" is code for "I hate America and love Israel" (this is common?) I have to wonder what "indeed" means. Boy oh boy, we're on the verge of some momentous discoveries here!

Or maybe not.

Turns out I'm still Catholic after all, and I didn't dream up all those horribly long, boring mornings at Sunday school. Too bad. :(

Sure am disappointed I never got that bat mitzvah. Those look like fun - unless of course you get shot to death by one of CF's charming allies.

You people keep pushing that "six million dead" line and yammering on about some rising tide of anti-semitism and how that could happen again. Nonsense. There is no rising tide of anti-semitism; that's just what the Jew bastard spies in the Mossad want you to think.

Don't worry, they'll get what's coming to them and so will all you traitors to America who buy their filthy heebie lies and don't bend a knee before their Arab antagonists.

Darn those Kike neocon skulkers, they even erased "Shintasi Maru" completely from Google's cache. Along with every mention of the rescue I described (except when I posted it elsewhere on Ace's site, with a different date.) Look, I don't like Japs or JAPs, all right?

Bob Dole's Cock, excellent post. My hat is off to you. Actually it's usually off these days, because I tried some PURE HERBAL VIAGRA and promptly grew four and a half feet.

Spurs were really hurting in the third quarter. Duncan is just stone cold, one brick after another.

KCTrio, you're a poseur

Can we pleeeeeeeeeeaaase stop using French expressions to insult each other? It's just undignified.

Va te faire foutre et nike ta mère.

meuf.

OK now, that was some kind of crack at your mother.

Are you going to take that? You must fight back, Pour encourage aus outrers.

Va a fare in culom, Michael.

La reputisima madre que te recontra mil pario.

There you go, fucker. One in Italian and one in Spanish, just for you.

Actually, LD, it was "Go fuck yourself and shut your mouth, pansy." Or just about that.

Michael's got a point, though. English is a much more elegant language - "fuck" and its derivatives are lovely words; in no other tongue can their beautiful simplicity be approximated.

Still, I don't consider words like "poseur" to be foreign - unless you want to toss "shampoo," "artiste," and "naif" as well.

KC--Porra! Vou matar de vergoinha!

(slang Portuguese, haven't checked the spelling)

I don't mind the Spanish and Italian stuff so much, but you mincing frog pansies need to cut that shit out.

vergonha

The reality is that the progressive indexing plan is just a very tiny drop in the sea of debt and the effect of this cut will be insufficient to address the issue (fiscal solvency).

The problem is that we are facing the specter of having to pay off approximately $50 trillion in debt. Our total economic output (GDP) is currently around $11.7 trillion. So it would take approximately four (4) years of each company and individual working for free and giving 100% of their earnings to the government to pay off this debt. Not very likely to work for anyone is it? And if that isn't likely to work for anyone how likely is it to think that you can pay off the debt on an installment plan based on future tax revenues? About as likely as having monkeys fly out of John Marshall's youknowwhat.

The first step is realizing you have a problem.

The second step is realizing the old means and methods you've used in the past (unsuccessfully) won't fix the problem and should therefore be eliminated from further constructive use.

The third step is opening your mind (and heart) to the possibility that there exists information out there that has the potential to change the entire dynamics of the problem and resolve it in a way you might not have thought possible.

The fourth step is embracing this "new truth" and seeking to implement it in a way so that you NEVER HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN.

As a corporate bankruptcy consultant, I take a professional interest in this insolvency crisis but have been amazed at how earnest these so-called geniuses are at dancing around the problem without really seeking to address the problem in terms of solutions that can work.

One thing's for sure, the business-as-usual mentality of the Beltway insiders isn't going to do anything other than continue to cost you money.

That's right - YOU.

Each and every month they delay in actually fixing the problem costs each and every American household $167 for which the American gets absolutely nothing in return.

The next time a politician tells you they don't see the need in fixing government spending, ask them if they will be paying your $167 a month in dues for you and see if they still feel the same way about the matter.

It's about the math, stupid.