LauraW rules! VERY well handled...

Slightly OT, but I like to look at womens' boobies! (just wanted to bring a male voice to this debate)

I'd lay odds that Iranian women have plenty of opportunities to get themselves raped in the mullocracy...it didn't seem to be a problem for Afghan women under the Taliban, from what I've read.

Wow, an honorable mention!

*beaming*

(not the high beams, Ray, just regular smiling)

My only criticism is that lauraw was way too civil to that idiotic woman. The more I think about how women are actually treated in Iran and elsewhere under the beneficent rule of Islamofascism, the more Alessandra's pitiful critique pisses me off.

But hey, I saw that STFU thing months ago and I've been looking for it ever since. Thanks, lauraw!! That's going to come in handy on all kinds of occasions. ;-)

That HAS to be Mrs. Cedarford! Their debating styles are exactly the same. Throw out a bunch of meaningless statistics that don't support your point and then accuse the other side of being blind! LOL!

Good job lauraw! I suspect if this troll fell out of the clue tree and hit every branch on the way down she'd still be without one.

I believe I'm free to imagine your reaction in my own way, thank you very much, Missy!

Copied from the previous thread:
Please forgive a bit of snarkyness, but Alessandra is either a troll or one of Phil Hendrie's bizarre characters. For her sake, I hope it's the latter.
I'm now departing to accompany my wife whilst shopping...she's not allowed outside of our home without an adult male family member present.

I thought the same thing, BrewFan: long, long comments, dense with irrelevant facts, and an awesome refusal to drop an argument that's going nowhere. Cedarford's wife? His sister? Who knows?

I notice C hasn't been around much since his recent smackdown, but I'm sure he'll pop up elsewhere. He just drifts from blog to blog, like the Wandering Jew-hater...

The stupidest thing is the oh no, women might get drunk on BEER argument.

Things suck so bad under the mullahs that there are between one and two million opium and heroin addicts in Iran today. Many of whom are women. It's illegal, of course, it's just that everyone hates the government so much that they don't care. They literally use TONS of the stuff per day.

A decent, legitimate, government, some opportunity to kick back in non-destructive ways, and people might find better things to do than get stoned all the time.

First of all, you need a spew warning in front of that 'rejoinder' link.

LauraW: You go, girl! Sorry, was that offensive? ( don not want to piss her off).

Some people just love to use their right to speak freely to fret about the horrible effects that freedom might have on people who live in places where you can get your fucking tongue cut out for criticizing the government?

To be fair, I might be generalizing. Maybe those people would do the same thing if they were allowed to.

To be fair, this hasn't exactly been a real battle of wits. It has kind of been like beating a cripple with their own crutch.
I'm delighted that you all enjoy that as much as I do.

That was me, Peter, sorry.

Each society has downfallen woman and this includes western and Islamic woman, moreover, it is old as this world. In my opinion there are reasons, which put women on such path and the last includes socioeconomic causes. There are positive and negative sides that can support and condemn this statement.
Religion in Muslim region is stronger than in any part of the World, I believe. Dressing in the color clothes and opening parts of the body doesn’t mean that woman is “windy” person. This relates and reflects people’s perception about woman. Every one judges some one in degree of theirs own breeding.
Stylish and good looking woman can be apprehended “easy” from man’s side and “easy”, I say, jealously, from woman’s side. Well, she is good looking, educated, stylish, well mannered, and happy to be Woman. She dress, might, not to please her loved one or show up, simply, she wants to be a Woman. This is the gift to be Woman and to be a beautiful woman. Each woman expresses herself differently. When we see this woman attending bar we start “think”. Why, we ask this?
In addition, Iranian woman dresses and beehives in style (I would say even better than western woman) and they do not need freedom to feel and to be a Woman. They are able to distinguish what is the woman’s freedom and how to express it.

I'll never forget the comment made by an Saudi blogger (who has been too scared to blog for about 8 months or so) -when he said he vacationed OUT OF COUNTRY so his wife could enjoy the freedom that she didn't have at home. Like swimming. That crazy chick equates freedom with some "Girls Gone Wild" video. duh.

Very cool, LauraW. My 13-yr-old daughter made me save the picture to disk.

(Okay, I've lost the language battle....)

Utron,

LOL at your description of Cedarford as the "Wandering Jew Hater"....I never thought of him as a David Carradine/Kung Fu type, but cant you just see it:

Real Ultimate Buddhist Monk Dude: "Now Grasshopper, snatch the pebble from my hand...."

Cedarfu: "The pebble that you Zionists stole from Palestinian land? How do I know that when I reach for the pebble, you filthy Buddhist-Jews won't try for my wrist watch?I'm wise to your Hebrew tricks!"

It might not be "Must See TV", but it's.....something.

Kung Jooooooo!

Hmm... be pretty or wear a burka...that's hard one.

I'm leaning toward the pretty thing though.

Not all women want x or y. Women are people. Some was to look pretty and others don't. In a free society, they get to do what they want and find social groups to hang out in which reinforce whatever their thing is. Likewise men.

This is unlike Iran.

Also, "pretty" is not the issue because Iran is full of young hotties in loose headscarves, which is how women cover their hair in Iran, in the urban areas anyway. They get to be pretty within their cultural norms. But it shouldn't be enforced by law or thugs with sticks, and women who don't want to do it should be able to wear what they want. but "pretty" isn't the issue.

Freedom is the issue.

You know what's really frightening to me? My daughter's name is Alessandra. The only other Alessandra we see in the US is Alessandra Stanley, the lefty writer for the New York Times. The name's pretty rare in the US, and not that common in Italy, either (though much more common than in the US).

So now the second time I see my daughter's name it's in the form of some side-show circus freak who spews statistics by the barrel without engaging in rational thought with anyone.

Spouse of Cedarford? I don't know, but I'm going to keep this feminazi's name a little secret, so my daughter can continue her quest for a sane woman that shares her name.

Laura W, you are a credit to us all.

Alessandra Moonbat: You are a credit to your fellow moonbats. Now go raise some female chimpanzee and watch her grow up into a cuddly little pet. Let us know when you are getting her 39th birthday party planned. Someone might want to take a video of the blessed occasion. You also might get a little lesson on the baser instincts of all animals, including humans. Your lesson will occur when you fight for your life while your little pet is trying to kill you.

That might give you a modicum of understanding between the wretched treatment of women in Muslim countries and your freedoms in this country. And sip your tea, nice and slow whilst healing.

I don't know, KCTrio. I tend to think this Alessandra is not American.
Something about her writing suggested foreigner to me. Or she could actually be that incoherent. Not sure.

LauraW:

Either she's not American, or she lives in Berkley, San Jose, San Francisco, NYC, Palm Beach, LA, Chicago, Madison, Boston, or one of our other fine moonbat cities.

In which case, your theory still holds, because if she does live in one of those towns, then she is part of the United States of Canada (still haven't figured how they are going to get the southern tip of Florida into that country).

As far as her writing appearing foreign, I couldn't agree more. Which begs a question for Alessandra: "What color is the sky in your world?"

My theory is that she walks around aimlessly in the streets asking people "Who ordered the veal cutlette?"

KC--San Jose a moonbat city?

I mean, it's a little weird, but for northern California, it's Peoria.

I request you bump it from your list and substitute Ann Arbor, or Austin.

Re: See-Dubya's comment: second that. I live in neighboring Santa Clara, and there's far too many people around here who know what it really looks like in a socialest/communist/fascist utopia to get too far into moonbattery.

The Bosnians, Iranians, Russians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Guatemalans, Ethiopians, etc. who are working to "make it" in Silicon Valley have very little patience with the tinfoil hat crowd. Been there, done that, have more opportunities here than ever before....

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Enjoy yourselves - SpewFan, Uton, Jack M, zetetic. While the rest of the world enjoys seeing the Gaza Colonists slink home.

What are the odds, you think, that the right wing Zionist scum will kill Sharon like they did in Rabin in revenge for that??

Then the real fun will start as pressure mounts to get the Zionist squatters out of the West Bank. The Colonists will squeal for their loi-yahs and be as hard to pry off Palestinian property as if they had their fingers clutched around a bag of il-gotten gold - but go they will - as the world watches with pleasure observing the end of arrogant Zionist ethnic cleansing and land thefts.

Will democracy in the ME and elsewhere bring love to the wealthy Zionist land-grabbers? Not likely. Part of what parties do in the ME and elsewhere is claim they are more anti-Zionist than their election opponents.

You know...I just noticed something.

When I created the pilot episode of "Cedarfu" in an earlier post, I left off some letters from the shows name.

Those letters are as follows:

c.k.o.f.f.y.o.u.n.a.z.i.b.a.s.t.a.r.d.

Sorry for the oversight.

Hey! I'm hurt!

Cedar, you used to refer to me as Senator Pali-land-seizer, and now I don't even get a mention in your latest diatribe?

Must be the syphilis settling in. That can cause dementia and make you forgetful.

That would explain a lot, actually.

See Dubya and anonymous:

I listed San Jose because my sis lives there and is a moonbat of the truest kind (remember the Ice-N post of Ace's where he had to excise my use of his word?). Well, that was personal.

However, I will say that all of those folks that you've rattled off that now live in that fine city are, of course, transplants that understand how cruel totalitarian/Marxist regimes can be like, and they aren't moonbats. But there's also plenty of guilt-laden moonbats swarming that town. Let's go take a look at the election count in that county and compare it to that of the county where Austin, TX is, shall we?

Santa Clara County (county seat, San Jose) California: 63.9% Kerry, 34.6% Bush, 1.4% other.

Travis County (county seat Austin) Texas: 56.0% Kerry, 42.0% Bush, 2.0% Other.

Source: David Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections.

Looks to me like San Jose wins. I say it stays on the list. But I'll gladly add Austin to the list, since it's really not my list, it's everyone's list.

But guys, I don't live there, you do, so I'll take your word that the overall feel of Austin may seem a bit more moonbat-rich than San Jose. But the numbers do somewhat buttress my point.

Now, Cedarford, are you split personality? Or are there simply two people that post under that name, one who's a wingnut and the other who is lucid? One post finds you to be rampaging on about left-wing judges and how we need more conservatives on the bench, then another post is dripping with Jew hatred. Perhaps you are just pulling our legs for a bit of fun.

Perhaps Alessandra knows the truth that lies beneath this paradox.

KCTrio,

Cedarford with multiple personalities?

You must be a visionary.

I have trouble crediting him with having even one.

My Dear Jack M.:

Agreed. But how do you explain this post of his in the "Torture Works" thread:

The worst Al Qaeda terrorists required harsh methods to get them to start telling the truth - certainly deviations from the 3 squares and cigarettes on demand treatment that put America into "evil torturer" status. Things like sleep depravation,- days without sleep, disorientating stress from noises, slapping around, bright lights, threatening to throw their families from safety and comfort on the mercy of aa 3rd world nation. That was done with Khalid Sheihk Mohammed. He was silent at first, then forced to talk by harsh methods was analyzed for what he said being lies or not-(comparing what he said from what we knew from other suspects, from high tech intel gathering). When we found him lying, he was punished for those lies coming out of his mouth, and would be punished for any other lies we hadn't found out yet were lies. All the while weakening his will and body by stress techniques - and keeping our word by punishments like dunking his head in water (Oh, the torture!!!) or forcing him to stand for long periods. At some point, the 9/11 mastermind quit lying and then began naming suspects, their locations, other plots underway. Which were checked for veracity by ensuring the fellow Jihadis were linked to him, the plots were real.....or dear Khaled would have been punished for more lies he was caught in.

But the ACLU, the Left, and Justices like Ginsburg are still very strong and able to thwart many efforts to interrogate the enemy. It's been 3 1/2 years since American civilians have been attacked in their Homeland and already civil libertarians are saying things are safe enough to do away with the Patriot Act, end Gitmo Detentions, and provide a NYC ACLU lawyer for any caught terrorist. IMO, more dead Americans are the only thing that will stop their efforts to sabotage America's national security needs.

You figure it out. I can't. It's beyond my abilities. Besides, my Professor Sabato crystal ball isn't functioning properly. The SOB sold me a lemon. The bastard.

Britt Hume should stop interviewing that guy on natinoal television until he gives me my money back.

But soberly, Jack M., I'm offended by Cedarford's list. How come you made his list and I didn't? Not to mention See-Dubya, LauraW, et al?

Come on Cedarford. Explain the calculus that went into your list of names? I want to be on it, and I would like to know the proper steps to take to ascend to that sacred list.

I don't belong on that list, I usually just hurl juvenile insults and congratulate others on their (better thought out) Cedarboob takedowns.
Like so;

Cedarford, you nutty racist bint. Your mother gives BJ's to Jews in Hell.

So, CedarTARD, I've noticed you're posting later at night lately and your comments seem a bit more unhinged, even for you. I'm thinking the 'hospital' you're in should maybe get a few more PC's in the dayroom so you can post before the meds wear off.

And thanks for having me on your list. I'm not sure when I've been more proud.

lauraw - I had to look up bint. Nice one!

Brewfan:

You obviously don't have the Monty-Python-Geek factor (which makes me wonder if Cedarford's rules for the list are as random as his posts), or you'd immediatley have known the word "bint" from the Holy Grail movie. (I believe it's one of the put-downs leveled against King Arthur--may God rest his soul--by the autonomous collective group).

If I'm right, that's where Arthur is lectured about placing his loyalty in some "Lady of the Lake." Well, the character launches into a series of put-downs that include "watery tart" among others. I think the word "bint" comes up in that scene.

To confirm, I will have to go look it up on in my screenplay of the movie. I'm sure the entire damn thing is online somewhere, also.

But again, curse you for making his list and not me. I guess I need to read more of your posts to see if I can craft something that will please him.

KCTrio,
At the risk of pleasing him, I have to say that Cedarbyotch really is an interesting fellow.
He's a zoo specimen, a creature which is nearing extinction.
Our very own paleo-conservative troll pet. We do share some bedrock values, but he loses us when he goes on his loopy International Jew Conspiracy rants.

A relic from the worst days of the Republican party; isolationist, protectionist and irrelevant.
He has a marble statue with the body of Michelangelo's David and the head of Pat Buchanan in his backyard.

Monty Python Update on Use of the Word Bint:

I knew it was from that scene, and also found the Internet much faster than looking it up in some book. But it also shows the importance of reading the printed page and watching the damn movie. Something the younger generation doesn't do enough of, IMHO.

Anway, here's the scene with "bint."

Arthur: I am your King.
Peasant woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king, then?
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by devine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I'm your king.
Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: You can't expect to weild supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: If I went 'round sayin' I was an emporer just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

Now, Alessandra, do all of those Iranian pink-scarf-wearing liberated women also have sexual urges (moistened)? For if they do, they certainly must be considered devils and might be slaughtered. Bint is a word with Arabic origins meaning girl or daughter. In British English, the word means girl or woman.

Just ranting. Loose shit you know.

Hmmm...I thought Dennis called the Lady of the Lake "a watery tart" in that scene, not 'strange women'. I'll have to force Mrs. Hammer to watch it again.

LauraW:

You. Are. God.

That's the funniest bits of shit I've seen in a while. Let me try in my own humble way to add to your statue metaphor.

I say he's got one of Michelangelo's unfinished slave scultpures in his backyard, with the head of Jeff Gannon.

Not funny, I know. But I'm trying.

Hammertime:

There's more to the scene. I just used the dialogue with "bint." He also used "watery tart." He used about 10 or so different funny references to the Lady of the Lake. Moistened bint was just one of many.

Here's the link I used. Do a search in your Browser using "bint" and you'll find the scene:

http://www.moviesounds.com/holygral.html

No need to force anything on the dear Mrs.

{{hugs}}

LauraW:

On second thought, I think Cedarford would have Donatello's David, not Michelangelo's. You know, the more feminined, young boy bronze version, not the monstrous, muscular marble David.

There's my (hopefully) funnier reflection.

You are a God and an inspiration.

"Part of what parties do in the ME and elsewhere is claim they are more anti-Zionist than their election opponents."---Cedarford.

So what position are you running for, Cedar?

My guess? Assad's "personal assistant".

Request for people with Photoshop skills (I have none).

Here's Donatello's David:

http://encarta.msn.com/media_461518984/David_by_Donatello.html

Here's Michelangelo's:

http://encarta.msn.com/media_461517003/Michelangelo%E2%80%99s_David.html

Here's Pat Buchanan's Face:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan

Can't find Ganon's face, because Talon News has taken his photo down. But someone's got have it somewhere.

I'll try my best, but I really don't have the skills to do this. I'd like to see Buchanan on the Big David and Ganon on the Bronze David.

That'd be cool. Or at least that'd be cool to me. And my Geek factor is rising by the second.

Any takers? Probably not, but you can at least visualize the difference between the two Davids, for those that might not have seen the two.

Interesting take from two different giants of sculpture. One makes David a youthful lad, almost feminine looking, while the other goes for the Titan look.

I like both, but prefer Donatello's rendering. I think it captures the Biblical story better (youth becomes giant slayer, not gigantic youth becomes giant slayer).

And with that, I'll just tell you one little secret. They've barred me from the Bargello in Florence. They've actually got my photo posted, with the words "If you see this man, keep him out of the Donatello room."

Man. I get up from the computer and move on with my life--something I'd recommend to some of the people here, and yes, I'm looking at you, Cedarford--and I find that the paleo-troll has shown up to entertain everybody with the usual song and dance. Sorry I missed it, although the routine is getting a little old--it's just not as fresh as the creative work of a real genius like, say, Gallagher.

Anayway, I like the idea of immortalizing C and his mentor, and I thought a nice heroic grouping might be suitable. You photoshoppers out there might want to try pasting the faces onto this.

Actually, I thought about it, and at the risk of blasphemy, think a reworking of the Pieta is in order.
Uncle Sam, poignantly cradling the supple corpse of Pat Buchanan?

I don't know, work with me here.

hey, Ace has made a post on the debate...

utron:
My only criticism is that lauraw was way too civil to that idiotic woman. The more I think about how women are actually treated in Iran and elsewhere under the beneficent rule of Islamofascism, the more Alessandra's pitiful critique pisses me off.
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Oh my, bring up a few truths about violence in the West and the little libertarian kids get all riled.

All the millions of Western women and children victims that you throw in the garbage can because they are not Islamic makes the difference between you and any mullah nill.

I hadn't visited here for a little while, but now that I saw lauraw tried again to insist on shouting instead of thinking, my reply is at the original thread.

Cheers!