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March 07, 2005
Iran To Drop the Oil Bomb?At least Austin Bay thinks they're threatening it if we take their nuke-building to the UNSC: The Persian Journal website speculated that Iran was considering closing the Straits of Hormuz. The Straits of Hormuz connect the Persian Gulf to the Indian Ocean. The Iranians think we're spread too thin right now, but as Bay points out the Navy isn't tied down much at all, and that there are other countries which depend on the Straights which could be convinced to join a Hormuz-capturing coalition. I don't want to sound all blustery and eager for another war. Because I genuinely don't want another war; at least not yet, not until our troops have had time to rest. But in a way, Iran would be doing us a favor by taking this sort of action. Bay suggests that the mullahs really had better think this one through: The Iranian people know what’s going on in the world, and the big story (one even the NY Times now appreciates) is the freedom’s surge in the Middle East. Put US troops in Hormuz and presto, Free Iran has a toehold. Meanwhile... The Bush Administration plans to increase Persian-language broadcasts into Iran. Those broadcasts will likely not say "Trust Authority" or "Maniac Mullahs 4 Ever." And... The NYT continues to surprise by actually reporting on developments they don't much like: The mood around the table in a battered downtown Cairo office veered between humor and trepidation, participants said, as they faced the prospect of fielding presidential candidates in just 75 days. "This is all totally new, and nobody is ready," said Mahmoud Abaza, deputy leader of the Wafd Party, one of Egypt's few viable opposition groups. "Sometimes even if you don't know how to swim you just have to dive into the water and manage. Political life will change fundamentally." And even more astonishing: Arabs differ on the degree to which American influence helped foster the changed mood, but there is no doubt that pressure from the Bush administration played some role. I could be churlish, I suppose, and point out that this is mentioned beyond the jump. But still. posted by Ace at 03:19 AM
CommentsThis could give us a great oportunity to launch a limited-scale offensive--just about the only kind of fight we're capable of fighting right now. We'd be able to blow up some Iranian boats, shoot down some Iranian fighters, and engage in tactical bombing of a few Iranian military targets. What we want to avoid is putting ourselves in a position where we need to invade. Posted by: Beck on March 7, 2005 06:35 AM
This is just one more reason why we cant allow them to get the Bomb. When they finally get one we will lose our ability to wage small scale offensives like this. Posted by: a-a on March 7, 2005 07:16 AM
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You know what this means dont you? Thats right-Syria is about to conquer France. Posted by: a-a on March 7, 2005 07:19 AM
Nice article Ace. I agree about Iran using the threat of increased oil prices as a way "discourage" the United States or an ally (perhaps Israel?) from disrupting their nuke program. IN fact, I even wrote an article about it! :) If you are curious you can read it here: http://allalongtheblogtower.blogspot.com/2005/03/dylan-code-energy-independence-and-you.html Posted by: Jack M. on March 7, 2005 09:31 AM
Ace-- I've had some experience in these kinds of wargames myself. They're not pretty. Iran has a pretty substantial short-range missile capacity along the Gulf coast. Lots of Chinese-made Silkworms and similar systems, they can threaten neutral shipping pretty much along the length of the Gulf (and especially so at the Straits). Combine that with their Kilo subs and their extensive mine warfare capabilities, and they can shut down the Gulf to traffic pretty quickly. Now, the U.S. Navy can probably reopen the Gulf quickly as well, but it'd be one helluva knife fight (significantly more intense than the Kuwaiti reflagging in the late 80's). There's no room to maneuver in the Gulf, and given the short ranges involved, it's easy to get surprised. I have no doubts we'd clean the Iranians' clock before all is said and done, but in the short-term, we'd definitely lose tankers, and could see more than a few Navy vessels hurt. Especially from mines (the "IED of the sea"), as they're cheap, plentiful, and our countermine capability is woefully inadequate. In the meantime, oil prices will go through the roof for some time, at least until the Iranian capability is neutralized. Which might take quite a while. Not a pleasant picture. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on March 7, 2005 10:23 AM
The choice is between war and the Iranian bomb. The Mullah's Manhattan project is proceeding and negotiations merely buy them time, until it is too late. The talk of "giving them financial incentives" (trying to buy them off) is the kind of virulent insanity that can only spring from the minds of Liberals. No matter what, in the long run, they cannot be bought off. Perhaps if they could be bribed to actually stop their project (highly unlikely and impossible to really verify) it would give our thinly stretched military a break to prepare for our strike against them. Other than that, tribute is worthless and only encourages others to demand it too. The cowardly and treacherous Europeans aren't serious about doing anything about the Iranian Bomb, as usual, they wait for us to do it. The Isrealis may not have the capability or the will to stop this like they did in Iraq (a much simpler matter). We will have to go to war with Iran sooner or later over this. Why not sooner, before they have a bomb? Posted by: 72VIRGINS on March 7, 2005 11:49 AM
Dave, Posted by: 72WIVES on March 7, 2005 01:09 PM
It's times like this that I wish the U.S. flex its muscles by not flexing. You know, "Gee Europe, you seem to be doing well with this nuanced diplomacy thing. Think you can handle this one? We're a litte occupied at the moment. Occupied, heh." Posted by: Gordon on March 7, 2005 01:21 PM
Or perhaps we'll drop it on them. Posted by: someone on March 7, 2005 01:48 PM
Gordon - Good idea. This is what Bush should've done before the Iraq war before he signaled our intent to go it alone, allowing them to stay out of it. Posted by: 72VIRGINS on March 7, 2005 02:10 PM
Dave has a reasonable take here - but the tactical situation is even worse. Recently the Iranians have become heavily invested in coastal AA as well as anti-ship stuff. In essense we operate there currently only because they allow it - eliminating Saddam was to their advantage. There's also those three Kilos (who's operational status I don't know about). When protected against air ASW by the shore batteries, and surface combatants don't dare enter because of a hail of cruise, what is there to neutralize the Kilos in a head to head fight? Nothing I can think of. The Iranians have built themselves a pretty good interlocked defense. IMO, it would take some Seal magic, or a first strike, to take out the kilos. The first strike option is politically ugly. Posted by: on March 7, 2005 02:42 PM
That's what I'm talking about, Seventy-Two V-Man! It seems like we can't lose if we play it that way. Either Europe does it itself therby losing to option to bash this as a U.S. oil adventure, or they ask us to deal with it. When that happens, we first say, "could you say that a little louder?" Then we go it. Posted by: Gordon on March 7, 2005 03:19 PM
I'd be willing to bet we know exactly where those kilo's are at all times which means we don't necessarily need the air/surface components of our ASW capability. Everything else Iran has is subordinate to our air power in the region and would not last very long. We've got enough stand-off weaponry to take care of their missile threat. Not a cakewalk by any means but certainly the odds are heavily in our favor. Posted by: BrewFan on March 7, 2005 03:56 PM
French Commando=Women who don't shave anything. The reasons the Syrians are pulling out and I quote Posted by: Iblis on March 7, 2005 04:22 PM
Did I grow up watching James Bond movies for nothing? When do we see the hero penetrate the Iranians' secret labs, arrange an "accident," and use a bunch of outlandish gadgets to narrowlly escape with his life and a foxy Russian agent? Criminy, isn't that why I pay taxes? Posted by: cthulhu on March 8, 2005 12:45 AM
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