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February 25, 2005
The Guys Get the Shirts They WantJust heard back from RockNClothing... They say it would not be difficult to offer the shirt in two different forms, one with the Mencken quote, the other without it. I think, though, that the shirts without the quote would have nothing on the back, which I don't think is a major deal, but maybe some people wanted *something* on the back. I asked about the possibility of two alternative quotes -- maybe "You're all on notice" or "Slice like a fucking hammer" -- but I think that is the Rubicon which they will not cross. Alternate Quotes: Not right now, says the vendor. He'll wait and see about the initial response to the basic shirt. He doesn't rule out alternate quotes in the future, though, should the initial purchase be large enough to justify setting up a new screen for printing. posted by Ace at 04:17 PM
CommentsAnything can be done. For a price. Posted by: fat kid on February 25, 2005 04:24 PM
I guess "Where's Joe?" would be too esoteric? "Like a Viking", which someone suggested earlier, sounds good. Posted by: Alex_fs on February 25, 2005 04:25 PM
Sweet. One of these shirts with the Mencken quote on the back just may replace the legendary flaming dice bowling shirt as my preferred poker attire. On the other hand, I already look like such an absolute badass that my opponents are scared shitless of me. Add the shirt and I might not be able to get 'em to play - especially the guy with dual Canadian/American citizenship. I'm one tough monkey. Hey, come to think of it Ace of Spades poker chips would kick some SERIOUS ass. Posted by: The Warden on February 25, 2005 04:30 PM
"Like a Viking" would be a good one, I guess, but I really think they're going to balk at alternate quotes. I think they're willing just to run some with no-quotes. Oh, well. Maybe a year from now we can offer a different shirt. Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 04:31 PM
I'd second "Like a Viking" There's always the immortal Sledge Hammer Posted by: Iblis on February 25, 2005 04:45 PM
"Wheres Joe?" simple and thought-provoking of course if they're not down with a second quote thats fine, might do a poll and see how many of each variety you could sell or something Posted by: johnny on February 25, 2005 05:06 PM
I like the idea of the shirts, but for "the ladies" I, for one, would like the tank/wife-beater option. Same logo, etc. We like you, too, Ace, and would get you way more advertisement than the guys will. Posted by: j. on February 25, 2005 05:15 PM
Hmmmm... you're probably right. I'll ask about that. I know they do Baby T's, too. And if they're doing different sizes, I guess they could also do a different sort of shirt too. Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 05:25 PM
I like the long sleeve option too. Posted by: lauraw on February 25, 2005 05:30 PM
Yeah, that would be way cool too. I'll have to see what he says about variant shirts. Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 05:34 PM
How about different color options? We have to wear black t-shirts under our flight suits and this would kick ass. Also, under the logo on front, maybe in a semi-circle: Thats Just the Fuckin Way. It. Is! Posted by: phat on February 25, 2005 05:37 PM
Awww, it would be cool to have the Ace of Spades shirt beneath a flight suit. But I really think they're going to balk at too many options. Then again, the This Fish shirts are sold in both cream and pink. So perhaps black would not be out of the question. Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 05:49 PM
Hopefully they can do black. I have a decent collection of humorous/profane black T's and this one would rock. I played the Paul Anka integrity kick' for my squadron and it has become the lingua franca for us! Posted by: phat on February 25, 2005 06:00 PM
Ace, I'm assuming the company is going to do a run that you don't pay for yourself. That's really generous of them. This guy WILL be getting a shirt. Thanks Posted by: hobgoblin on February 25, 2005 06:13 PM
"I got handballed by Jeff Gannon and all i got was this lousy T-shirt" Posted by: on February 25, 2005 06:27 PM
You know how much it costs to set up new screens? Not much. Let me look into this a bit further - Ace, how many colors are you thinking (total). The card has 4 colors, that's not a lot. Whenever I hear "wait and see about the initial reaction" from somebody who's only going to make a profit from this, I get skeptical. Like I said, anything at a price. I can get 1-off GOOD quality t-shirts for like $17. I seem to remember screen creation fees being somewhere around $50-$60. Again, I'll start back up with the research. Posted by: fat kid on February 25, 2005 06:37 PM
Fat Kid, Thanks. The thing is, though, that I don't want to buy these shirts myself and then sell them. Although I'd be giving away some money, I prefer the model where people buy through a vendor and then they just send me a part of their profits. So that's the deal I'm looking for. Maybe if the shirts sold really well I'd be willing to buy in bulk and then sell them out of my apartment. But I don't much want a hundred boxes in my apartment. Where would I put the Orbitrek/towel-drying hanger device? Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 06:43 PM
OK then, I'm still available to help get competing quotes. I would have thought you'd have gone to Dusty first, seeing as how they're a site sponsor, and might like the recognition. But hey, your gig, not mine. If you do want me to make some calls and get some competing bids, lemme know - I've got a few friends in NYC who might know people. Posted by: fat kid on February 25, 2005 06:52 PM
Just wondering but is your logo trade marked? I think it would be so easy for the dems to use your trade mark with a dopey caption of their own-something like "Ace for Hillary." Posted by: j on February 25, 2005 06:53 PM
ace & fat kid, I seem to remember that cafepress.com does custom orders for websites. The shirts are printed as individuals order them. The take a set price and you set the price you want to charge and pocket the difference. ace, they have a link on the website for sellers at: Posted by: phat on February 25, 2005 07:00 PM
Phat, Yes, thank you, but Cafe Press is someone I've been looking at for a while and have decided against, at least as far as my main shirt. They don't offer black or gray shirts, which is what I want. They're the guys who offer "ash gray." Which is fine, I guess, but not what I wanted. J, No, it's not trademarked... I think it would be too costly to go through that process, considering the meager financial value of this site. Fat Kid, I did look at Dusty T's, but I didn't notice that they had the sort of user-designed t-shirt operation I was looking for. Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 08:37 PM
Actually, copyright does not any action for a creation to be copyrighted. Any original content you create is automatically copyrighted to you unless you do the work for someone else and are paid for it. Then, the copyright is theirs unless they expressly release it to you. Posted by: Steve L. on February 25, 2005 09:03 PM
true, but his specific question was about trademark, which I think is a much longer and more costly legal process. I don't know trademark, but I do think there is an application and review thing, right? I know a little about copyright and a little about patent. I always imagined trademark was somewhere in between. Posted by: ace on February 25, 2005 09:30 PM
I love the idea of the Mencken quote on the back, there's NO WAY I could wear a shirt with any variation of fuck on it in public. My wife would "lose" it in the wash at the very least. At the worst I'd get picked up on a morals charge. Posted by: michael dennis on February 25, 2005 11:40 PM
www.brunettotshirts.com Posted by: Alan on February 26, 2005 12:25 AM
As much as I like the banner quote, given the choices in this post, I think that 'You're All On Notice' would be better. And yeah, a black shirt would rock. Posted by: Geoff on February 26, 2005 02:02 AM
I like the Mencken quote here but not on a shirt. A shirt with "slitting throats" isn't something I'd wear in public because of the number of coneheads who would not understand. "Like a Viking" is to buttfucky. "Where's Joe?" is wonderfully cryptic. It's perfect. Posted by: r on February 26, 2005 08:20 PM
shit Posted by: rdbrewer on February 26, 2005 08:20 PM
What about "You're on fucking notice" of "You're on fucking notice, John"? Or did I imagine hearing that? Posted by: Uncle Mikey on February 27, 2005 01:29 PM
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