Were I the hugging type, you would get a hug (a manly hug, of course) for that post.

Yeah, I'm not too fond of the "America, love it or leave it," line of thinking, but the kind of shit that is being said and done on the Left is too much. Just too fucking much. There's freedom of speech, and there's actively conspiring against your own country because you hate it so much.

Oh, sorry. They love America. They just hate the administration *wink wink*

I can't wait for the mouthbreathers to come out of the walls with their moronic misunderstanding the First Amendment. It prohibits THE GOVERNMENT deciding what you can say.

It's utterly silent on the reaction of the speaker's non-government listeners, and this Tucks Pad seems to think that it confers the consequence-free ability to speak his mind. Ostracism is not the same as terrorism. Perhaps they didn't cover that in his Ethnic Studies courses.

yes to all of what you wrote and amen.

Incidentally, on the Brit Hume report tonight, this cocksucker said that the fact that his job was now on the line -- that there was a furor over these viciously treacherous remarks -- that people were expressing their disgust with him

"You've got to learn, " the line went, "that when you push people around, some people push back."

As they should.

As they must.

And as they undoubtedly will.

There is justice in such symmetry.

The nut queues are forming for the right to defend this guy under "Freedom of Speech" - I expect the ACLU any time now.

But this is not about freedom of speech, it is about what kind of crap we are paying these kooks to teach to our kids.

If, for example, students in surgery class were taught radically different procedures according to race (citing the works of Joseph Mengele), would we all argue "Freedom of Speech"?

But this will be a waste of time anyway. If this guy gets fired in Colorado, they will find a spot for him at the University of Michigan.

I

Nuckfards like this are, unfortunately, a dime a dozen.
My question is "What the fark is with the Univ of Colorado?". It's past time we started holding these public institutions accountable for the mis-education and anti-American indoctrination of our youth.

Military targeting journalists? Considering what we've seen our guys do to the muj, if Jordan was telling the truth there would be no pathetic simpering journalists left alive in Iraq or Afghanistan. 90% of them could be taken out with one artillery barrage on a Baghdad hotel. One mortar shell could take out half of them in the spa.

Thanks for expressing the anger I haven't had time to formulate in my skull yet. He should be drug out back and dealt with Soviet Style.

If I might adapt a bit of poetry:

Eason and Ward, we thee implore
To go away and sin no more.
Or if that challenge be too great,
To go away, at any rate.

Eason Jordan Outrage:

What intensified the problem was the fact that the session was a public forum being taped on camera, in front of an international crowd. The other looming shadow on what was going on was the presence of a U.S. Congressman and a U.S. Senator in the middle of some very serious accusations about the U.S. military.

I am quite sure that somewhere in the Middle East, right now, his remarks are being printed up in Arab language newspapers as proof that the U.S. is an evil and corrupt nation. That is a real nightmare, because the Arab world is taking something said by a credible leader of the media (CNN!) as the gospel, or koranic truth

Congressman Frank and Senator Dodd, you both seem like good and honest men, and Congressman Frank especially seems like someone with a bit of courage (I'm sure Senator Dodd is brave as well). Clear up this mess, use your power and authority as elected leaders, and make transparent what really happened. You must do this to respect the 12 journalists killed and let the world know how and why. Here is another challenge, and this one is for the CNN and the BBC: What the hell happened? Is Eason right or is he wrong? Good journalism calls for digging into and revealing all of the facts (or was everything that was said in the mild part of the discussion about fair coverage and seeking the truth just verbage?).

Who's up for the challenge? Anyone? Anyone?

I just like the idea of the guy coming home and finding the lock changed on his house and all his shit mailed to Phnom Penh.

Outstanding

Wow, I've heard bits and pieces quoted, but really- the essay Churchill wrote is really worse than I thought (especially after I read people -MSM- downplaying it.) It - and he - are pretty rank. Odorous. I swear, the words SCREAM out that the writer has had an unfulfilled life. Economic, personal, and professional disappointments, and with jealousy, he lashes out. That is one man angry at the success (real or imagined) of others.

Ace,

It sounds like you're angry.

Ward Churchill is a nobody. His brief flame of fame as a martyr for "the cause" will soon be forgotten.

His views are repellent, perhaps a bit more incendiary than say, Noam Chomsky, for the present time, but really no different than the views of a large number of professional academics.

Really.

Don't get yourself too worked up about a nobody like this.

As to Eason Jordan, now this is incredible. That he would say such a thing at all in public, let alone at Davos, is hard to believe.

Good on Barney Frank to call him on it.

This must be explained.

Where is our nation's Paper of Record?

crickets.

Carl O. Witz,

Yes, the irony is totally lost on Ward Churchill.

This, I believe, is emblematic of the insular and disconnected world that Mr. Churchill and his ilk live.

Sharon is a nazi.

BusHitler.

Little Eichmann's.

For a supposed "academic" of Ethnic Studies, there seems to be a whole lot of historical revisionism going on, and Holocaust Revisionism is undoubtedly obscene.

Push back.

Well, someone has.

And you are being pushed, sir.

As you should.

As you must.

Ace:

Marry me. Bear my children. :)

(deep breaths) Ahhh, love the smell of liberal pants-shitting in the morning.

Lets not lash out in anger, that makes US look bad...that whole 'love it or leave it' bit etc.

Let them speak, no, encourage them to speak. Give them comfortable places, among those of their own kind, from which to fulminate, loudly.

When parents decide not to fund this nonsense anymore, and the cloistered intellectuals have had to secure jobs in the private sector, and start to meet members of the REAL 'reality-based' community, then we will all wake up from this long national nightmare of stupidity.

As a resident of Colorado I'm not happy that my tax dollars help pay for this tenured fuckwit.

Perhaps Jordan means those scumbags embedded with the terrorists.

C'mon Ace, tell us how you really feel.

Otherwise, Amen brother.

Adding insult to injury, it appears (sorry, can't find the link at this moment) that Ward Churchill simply bought his degrees for $3600 each and a review of his 'life experiences' from a mail-order diploma mill run by a small number of scammers out of a former decrepit western state Motel 6 which declined all attempted interviews.

Not bad -- a true asshole with a monstrous attitude bought a departmental chairmanship and life employment (tenure) at a taxpayer-provided educational institution for a mere $7200 and some postage.

FUCK.HIM........BIG TIME.

Recon, can you confirm that??

ACE - We cannot win their hearts and minds, we must defeat Liberals. The only way to really change this kind of treason is through Direct Action. Right now there are no real consequences to their actions vs. the threat of Boycott by Lefties, which sends all businesses running for the high grass! We
must do the same. We must go after their sponsors, boycott their universities and their livehoods just as the Left has done so effectively for 40 years.

As Marcus Cato said repeatedly that "Carthage Must be destroyed," I shall repeat our Mantra:

THE RIGHT MUST BOYCOTT!!!

Fuckin' aye.

lauraw, I will look for it when I have some time today. Perhaps you can Google it up if you have a bit more time than I at the moment.

It showed up on a newscast and in several reputable sites within the last week, but I just can't put a finger on it at the moment. I'll keep looking as time permits. It WILL be proven.

IMO, this asswipe needs to be hounded into the ground!!

What gets me about the people screaming about the first amendment rights of *%#@* like this is that they don't think that same right applies equally to criticism of or reaction to what they say or do.

Only 'nazis' or 'terrorists' who would do something like not buy their records, see their movies, look into whether or not you can say whatever th *#@! you want when your job is funded by taxpayers, or (gasp) disagree with them and say they're wrong.

ACE
If you look at the responses there's lots of anger, but no real plan of action. Without trying to convince you that the Right Must Boycott, if you think about there really is no other way. Our carping may effect change, but our anger combined with an effective boycott WILL ABSOLOUTELY EFFECT CHANGE! I hope you'll get on board.

As Cato would say were he here today:

THE RIGHT MUST BOYCOTT!!!

Churchill's degrees:

Commenter Steve Hughe' at Oh, That Liberal Media, said:

Churchill got his degrees from Sangamon State University (since 1995 the University of Illinois - Springfield). A quick Google of Sanagamon State reveals that while Churchill was a student there it was one of those "alternative" higher education institutions replete with "written evalautions" instead of grades and little or no academic requirments. There were no department chairs, tenured faculty etc. Apparently it was organzied in the 70's to provide cover for protests agains the Viet Nam War. Is this the kind of place a major academic center like UC wishes to draw faculty from?

Pipeline News had this:

Churchill

http://members.lycos.nl/vadercats/miscs-n-logs/BBlack.htm

long but holy crap what a gold mine

Actually the fact the sun is shining upon this person is very helpful in illustrating the greater problem of activists hiding in tax-payer funded institutions.

This 'one'...

Is just the one we noticed...

Finally...

http://musingsofafatkid.blogspot.com/2005/01/dirty-mccedarford.html

Did Cedarford die? How has he not chimed in on this yet?

Seriously.

While I enjoy very much the straight talk about these bestards, why doe not someone start to do something about it, like setting up a protest in fron of , let's say CNN and CBs for a start? I would gladly participate, let's see how do they respond to action other than emails? ;)

To at:
Absoloutely! What we really need is a leader and people who can do he footwork necessary to dig and find who their sponsors are and then go at 'em!

As Cato would say were he here today:

THE RIGHT MUST BOYCOTT!!!

Ace, you seem to be holding back. How do you REALLY feel?

You know-- like, hint-hint, Canada--Ace

What did I ever do to you?We have a vast current trade surplus of clueless,effete,loons and you are encouraging another idiot to come here.

HAVE MERCY !!!

Love it or leave it? What a completely uninspired and moronically immature reaction to an opinion that differs from your own.

But it is this immaturity that underlies almost every conservative position. What else can explain the conservative inability to look critically at American policy?

America is like any sentient collective, it is both good and bad. We do wonderful things around the world, unparalleled by any other nation. It is something we should all be proud of.

At the same time, America does despicable things. It’s silly to think otherwise. The notion that America’s shit don’t stink seems really immature to me. We do shitty things, and there is absolutely a cause and effect to everything. Was 9/11 a reaction to something shitty we did? I don’t know, but I am also not prepared to dismiss the idea simplly because it makes me feel uncomfortable.

Does my willingness to be critical of American policy make me a treasonous traitor. Hardly. Again, this kind of emotional reactionary crap must be traced back to a fundamental conservative immaturity. America is not your can-do-no-wrong mother. It is a country of great greed and generosity, and it is our responsibility as citizens to look at America in its entirety and not just pick and choose the things we like most, while ignoring the rest.

I know you conservatives think liberals are the enemy and must be boycotted (a really bad idea – not for us, but for you). And I know liberals feel the same way. Liberals fear the conservative agenda, while conservatives simply dismiss liberals. I wouldn’t be surprised if both tactics proved to be costly mistakes.

Rather than getting angry, what should be done (and is being done by Ace and others) is to let everyone hear about this bullshit, explain the bullshittedness of what they are saying and let the people decide. If this kind of stuff continues to be heard widely, the Republican majority should continue to grow in government. Parents will think more about which schools they are sending their money to also.

Hey, if someone wants to pay to hear this A-hole speak, that's their right, and it's his right to make us much money spewing this shit as he can. It's disgusting that he can make money at it, but that's something we must live with in a free society.

Mark: "It's disgusting that he can make money at it, but that's something we must live with in a free society." No one is arguing about rights, but responsibilites. These people are well aware that their words give aid and confort to the enemy we are at war with and must be held accountable for it somehow. And we are free to show our outrage by not buying their products. Why should this be considered any different than the Left's boycott of businesses during the last 40 years? Because the Media fears it so much, which shows the potential power we all have.

THE RIGHT MUST BOYCOTT!!!

What is really ironic is that Churchill was recently charged with (and aquitted of) charges of disturbing the peace. What was he doing? He was protesting the local Columbus Day Parade by blocking the parade route. He is Native American and was protesting someone elses right of free speech in the form of a parade of Italian Americans celebrating Christopher Columbus. So freedom of speech is ok for him but not for anyone who wants to celebrate Christopher Columbus. Figures.

Do what happened to the "institution of higher learning" that uninvited Churchill: cause the outside funding at tax-funded schools to dry up. It wasn't until this started happening that the school administration backtracked.

It isn't all that difficult to find out where outside funding comes from at state schools. Let them know (reasonably, not in a dither or blather) how unhappy you are with their support of that school because of their indoctrination policies. As the outside funding starts drying up, school administrators will start paying attention (money talks), and might just start paying attention to education of the mushminds entrusted to them, instead of the indoctrination.

It worked with one private school. It will work with any public college or university, too.

Best thing is, they can't cry "freedom of speech abuse" because money has been defined by the Supreme Court as speech.

Megga Dittos!

How do you really feel?

The 72VIRGINS and the 72WIVES are right, the 27 DYSLEXIC VIRGINS agree most wholeheartedly.

According to a fellow Academic, he is not a Native American, he is a pretender.

He is a Vietnam Vet who is also a former member of the violent radical group, the Weathermen. Then, after that gig;

He became a staff writer for Soldier of Fortune magazine. Finally he discovered, or invented, his Indian heritage. In 1978 he took on the new role of professional Indian. By 1983, he was "director of Planning, Research and Development for Educational Opportunity Programs at the University of Colorado/Boulder." In plain English, he was an affirmative-action bureaucrat, a paid racemonger. He made the most of the gig, and very possibly wrote himself a job description to jump into academia. So he is now, without even possessing a doctorate, a tenured ethnic-studies professor at the university in the posh resort town of Boulder.

More;

...Churchill has been inconsistent about his own ethnicity. In 1983 he was claiming to be "Creek/Cherokee." By 1992, he more modestly claimed to be "Creek/Cherokee/Metis"...

The author notes that Churchill may be 1/16th Ntive American, blood from four generations ago.

In any sense of the word that makes any sense, Ward Churchill is not an Indian. He is not an enrolled member of any tribe. He did not grow up on, and has never resided on a reservation, the only place where anything like traditional Indian culture persists. He prefers life in the tony, almost all-white resort town of Boulder...

By the early 1990s, there was a strong and growing backlash against Churchill among Indian activists, and he was, as I mentioned, expelled from AIM in 1993. Churchill has made death threats against his Indian critics such as David Bradley. In 1994, California AIM Director Carole Standing Elk, an Indian grandmother and Churchill critic, attended a Churchill press conference in San Francisco. Non-Indian Churchill’s non-Indian (Chicano) girl-friend M. Annette Jaimes beat up Mrs. Standing Elk, and then --when it seemed safe – heroic warrior Ward Churchill spit in her face.

Of course, the fact that the writer is also an academic, and thinks that Churchill is actually a police agent planted to disrupt Indian activist groups, makes me want to investigate HIM, too....

so take it with a grain of salt I guess

I found Cedarford!

SPOILER BELOW:

It's behr

Yay. We have a new Communist! Welcome Behr. You *will* be assimilated.

Or shat upon. Your choice.

Sounds like ol Eason's got a bad case of Bulldog Mouth / Pekinese Ass. Hope he gets exactly what he deserves.

A communist? You might want to look up that word before you use it again because nothing I said has anything to do with economics or the distribution of welath or anything like that.

I'm simply a patriotic American that is grown up enough to take the good with the bad in regards to what my country does. I'm always amazed by the conservative propensity to take such HUGE offense to anyone who dares criticize American policy.

I guess I'm just a little jealous of conservative naivete and the political bliss therein.

Behr:

Of course, some of us are amazed that there are those around who can take heaps of good and make molehills out of it, and take molehills of bad and create insurmountable mountains. A liberal doesn't see a glass half-full, he/she wonders what greedy capitalist pig owns it and why doesn't Uncle Sugar give him one, too, as is his/her God-given and constitutional right (if you can find the right jurist).

Carlos,

That seems like a rather glib definition of liberalism. I guess I could counter with something equally inane like: when a conservative sees a glass half full, they bless it as holy water and baptize each other in the name of that great superstition called god.

Granted, yours is better. If I wasn't so busy hating America I might have more time to devote to this.

Behr:

Actually, I never said or even intimated that you hate America. There are lots of disgusting people in the world I live in that I don't hate - I just have little use for them because they live their lives as if I and everyone else owes them a living.

I admire people who earn their money by the sweat of their own brow. It disgusts me to see people who won't honor themselves by earning their own keep. That certainly doesn't mean I hate them.

But there are people in the world that hate me, just because I have a certain belief system. And quite frankly, by your response, it sounds like you may be one of them.

Yeah, God's a superstition all right. I don't exist either. These messages just generate themselves in cyberspace by a bot. You show a little initiative, rock the boat a little, and the superstition comes down on you like a ton of bricks and sticks you here. Oh there's perks, granted. I get to take it all out on you, well most of you anyway. FOREVER. Better than therapy.

Carlos:

My original post was about how conservatives seem unable or unwilling to look objectively at American foreign policy and how they overreact to anyone who does. Words get thrown around like 'terrorist' and 'traitor' - the whole discourse on both sides has dissolved into pure retardation.

But now you have changed the subject to be more about a connection you have made between liberals and those who have no desire to care for themselves. I'm sorry, but that is just silly.I know ambitious liberals, lazy conservatives... and the other way around, so your sweeping stereotype does little to further your point.

Lastly, I don't hate you or your belief system. I do share your sense of disgust, but not for freeloaders (although they do suck). I'm way more disgusted by these overzealous god folk who devote their lives to imposing their beliefs onto the rest of us. I associate this group with conservatives - perhaps incorrectly -but there is no Dobson equivelent on the Dem side of the aisle, so go figure.

Us Jesusland folks (ok, in my case, Jesusland wannabe) would say behr's opinion that "there is no Dobson equivelent on the Dem side of the aisle" just about says it all!

I'm way more disgusted by these overzealous god folk who devote their lives to imposing their beliefs onto the rest of us.

Oh yeah, it's horrible how those Jehovah's Witnesses kidnap people and behead them. Or those Lutherans who explode car bombs in busy streets. And what about those Hasidic Jews who slit their daughters' throats just on the suspicion of pre-marital sex?

Stupid god folks are all just alike. Behr says so, and he's smarter than any of those god folks. Not close-minded or prejudgmental at all. No sir.

Now those atheist folks, those guys are tops. They don't need to get their ethics or morals from any stupid thousand-year-old book. They can order the starvation deaths of six or seven million people, decree that anyone wearing eyeglasses should be shot in the head, and force millions of people whom they don't kill into slavery, but at least they're not imposing their beliefs on anyone.

I'm right there with you, Behr. You go boy.

Behr,

It has to be admitted that there has been a tendency by those on the right, particularly the far right, to view ANY criticism of US policy as traitorous. The problem we are encountering now is that in order to avoid committing this particular "sin" (if you'll pardon the dark ages religious symbolism), many on the left are willing to view rhetoric that is blatantly seditious as mere criticism of policy. It's one thing to question whether the US should pursue a particular policy, it's another to state that the deaths of thousands of US civilians at the hands of terrorists are their own damn fault, or to offer moral support to the enemies of the United States, or to advocate the overthrow of the government. This is the kind of rhetoric coming from the likes of Churchill. If that rhetoric isn't representative of your own views, then relax, we weren't talking about you to begin with. If they ARE representative of your views, then your claim that you're merely criticizing US policy is disingenuous at best.

"I'm way more disgusted by these overzealous god folk who devote their lives to imposing their beliefs onto the rest of us. "

Because you know, anti-god folk would never try to impose THEIR beliefs on the rest of us by, oh, say, trying to remove any vestige of religious context from anything remotely public.

Sue:

Huh?

What Brian said.

Actually, what Brian said was quite thought provoking, but after trying to comb through your gibberish, the only point I got was that you liken atheists with nazis. That's amazing. A person chooses reason over faith and suddenly they are akin to the greatest criminals in history. Atheists equal nazis. Wow. Reading an idea like that is like stepping in a big pile of dog shit.

Thanks for the laugh.

If this Eason guy is head of news at CNN, and he's sitting on the biggest news story of the year, bigger than Abu Ghraib, then how come he hasn't assigned it to any reporters?

Hmm... I just sort of stumbled onto this site today, but this is an interesting read. I like to think of myself as a fairly middle-of-the-road sort of person, and I try to read articles from both sides, as both, whether intentionally or accidentally, tend to relate only news that benefits them. It really is a shame that Churchill said such things. And maybe he's got a point. Perhaps the terrorists did what they did in retaliation for some perceived injustice on our part. Nevertheless, to compare what we have done to crashing airplanes into buildings is absurd. It's akin to saying that stealing is punishable by death, if even that. (Of course, the Old Testament does encourage such behavior, but I digress.) Extremists, on both sides of the political spectrum, are attempting to incite anger at the other side by saying things. This, of course, seems to be one of the worst attempts in recent times, as many people even on the left will be angered by this.

I have no idea where I was going with this, so if it doesn't make any sense to you, you're not the only one. Anyway, it was a good read.

Maybe Jordan is right. Maybe some soldiers have deliberately killed some journalists. Maybe those dozen journalists made particularly inflammatory false accusations against our soldiers, exposing them to shame or putting them at risk of being killed in revenge. Maybe the soldiers were as sure as they could be that those dozen journalists were spies. If a few soldiers have killed a few journalists, those few might merit some excuse.

I, by the way, am one of the c0cks^ck3rs Ace conflates with the bad citizens he and I both despise. I want Ace to explain just what would be so awful--for him--about my s^cking him, what bearing any of that has on the issue at hand, and in what way my views just expressed are evidence of my being effete. I maintain on the contrary that what is a little effete is the assumption that there have been simply no journalists in Iraq whom it was prudent that one of our soldiers destroy.

What a dffference a day makes, 24 little hours! Look at all the ranting above, by both sides I am sad to say. If we want change we must do it ourselves through boycott. Our carping may effect change, but our anger combined with an effective boycott WILL ABSOLOUTELY EFFECT CHANGE!
As Cato would say were he here today:

THE RIGHT MUST BOYCOTT!!!

If you tell Churchill to get out of the country, he'll just say that he was here first, based on his 1/32 (if that much) Cherokee blood, and that you are the one who should leave. He's been writing crap like the 911 essay for decades. He's part of the free Lenny crowd, who, if there is any justice at all, will die a horrible death in prison.

julie: At the risk of sounding uninformed, what is the free Lenny crowd?

72WIVES,

That would be the advocates of freeing Leonard Peltier.

Wow, that was a long time ago. Thanks for the link.

Churchill makes me ashamed to be from the state of Colorado. Of course, this is CU Boulder we're talking about, which is the Rocky Mountain version of Berkeley. Still, it embarasses me almost as much as being represented by Barbara Boxer in the Senate.

72 Wives:
Every certified leftist is part of the Free Lenny, Free Mumia, etc. , crowd. Churchill and others have spent decades rewriting history. A lot of pressure was put on Clinton to pardon Peltier -- which I believe he would have granted, but for the fact that the FBI rank and file conducted their own march on the Whitehouse in protest. Anyway, I hate people who have told as many lies as Churchill has, almost as much as I hate the thought of copkillers going free.

www.noparolepeltier.com

Behr:

Point-by-point:

"...conservatives unable or unwilling to look objectively at American foreign policy..."

It seems to me that when I (or other conservatives) talk about foreign policy, anything that disagrees with academia is not worth discussing because it is either nonsensical or unworthy of discussion simply because it doesn't fall entirely in line with what INTELLIGENT people believe. That's not a discussion. It's very difficult to have a discussion about foreign policy for that reason.

My point about people too lazy to work was not stereotyping them, it was stereotyping bleeding hearts who believe it is my responsibility as a citizen to take care of them. It is not my responsibility to pay taxes so they don't have to get off their duffs and find a job. It is my responsibility as a part of my belief system to help them, but also to hold them accountable for that help. I don't find it anywhere in the Constitution where the federal government is either mandated or allowed to have a welfare system, though. If you know where it is in the Constitution, let me know.

Last, I don't believe I ever tried to impose my belief system on you or anyone else. If asked, I will discuss it with you or whomever, but I won't (unlike a mideast religion) try to impose it upon you, especially under the threat of death. Likewise, I don't want anyone else's religion (or lack thereof) imposed upon me, for precisely the same reasons I won't to them.

The bad news is that while India and many other nations forge ahead of us in computer applications, instead of a massive effort to regain lost ground through education, we have, "peace sutdies," "ethnic studies," and "gender studies."

The good news is the we will be by far the best in the world in "peace sutdies," "ethnic studies," and "gender studies."

Behr, I'm the one laughing, because you're completely ignorant, undereducated dumbass.

You are so pitifully undereducated that you didn't know I was talking about Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Tse-Tung, the most powerful atheists of the 20th Century. I thought the "shooting anyone who wore eyeglasses" line would spark some memory for you, but there's obviously no memory to spark.

No, all you can think about is Nazis, since they were rightwing fascists and thus, in your immature pea brain, were the only true source of evil in the modern world. Or at least that's what's been hammered incessantly into your near-impenetrable skull by incompetent "educators" who regurgitate Marxist/Leninist bullshit day in and day out. Then again, I can't say I blame them. It's a lot easier to indoctrinate little almost-brainless pissants with utopian puke than, say, get a real fucking job.

Oh, and that "reason vs. faith" false dichotomy was too cute. It reminds me so much of some little 14-year-old trying to get out of going to church or synagogue.

You keep shaking that little fist and frowning that little frown at your Mommy and Daddy, little buddy, maybe one day you'll get to sit at the big table with the grownups.

This jackass from CU exemplifies the new level of tastelesness to which CU has sunk. Lest we forget, CU’s appriciation of Colorado’s favorite son, the cannibal, Alferd Packer. CU boasts the Alfred Packer Memorial Grill , which lies below the main floor of the Memorial Center at the University of Colorado in Boulder, directly beneath the Glenn Miller lounge. A small, marble bust of Packer, unveiled by Colorado governor Roy Romer, sits on a pedestal at the hub of the grill. For those who don’t remember Al, he was the now infamous nineteenth-century Colorado pioneer who was enlisted to guide five homesteaders along the Mormon Trail into Colorado. Packer soon emerged from the San Juan Mountains - alone - and was convicted of cannibalism and sentenced to hang by Judge Melville B. Gerry. “Stand up, yah voracious man-eatin’ sonofabitch, and receive your sentence!” the judge exclaimed. “Thar were only seven Democrats in all of Hinsdale County and you ate five of them!” What next? Maybe CU can honor the Columbine killers as masters of marksmanship and demolition!!! Us non-acedemics know that there is more truth at the bottom of a scuttle in a barn than in the hallowed ivory towers of acedemia. At least none of us calls the stuff at the bottom of the scuttle anything but what it is: manure!!!! With which, by the way, Churchill's head is unquestionably full.

Comment on saying Ward Churchill should get out of this country. Uhhhh he was here first.

Comment on saying Ward Churchill should get out of this country. Uhhhh he was here first.

Apparantly, he wasn't.

As Mark Twain said. Support your country always, support your government when they deserve it. To me, loving my country does not mean approving the wrong things that it does. I love my children but if one of them commited a murderer , I would turn him in . Right and wrong are not always abstract concepts and many things this country has done are wrong. If you think I am making it up go to Google and type in declassified documents Cuba or Iraq or Chile and see what your government has done, in it's own documents