To paraphrase the great one, Bill Murray:

You guys have it real easy. I never had it like this where I grew up. But I read this site because the fact is this is one of the best blogs in the country: Ace of Spades.

Now, for some of you bloggers it doesn't matter. You were born rich, and thanks to annual "bandwidth" drives, you're going to stay rich.

But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich bloggers. Get them in the crosshairs, and Take. Them. Down.

Just remember, Andrew Sullivan can buy anything but he can't buy backbone. Don't let him forget it.

Thank you.

Dave at Garfield Ridge

Your mom gave me a hand-job, Dave.

Did Dave's mom give you a hand-job while everyone else was swimming?

But seriously, your post was just sickening. The way you've treated Sullivan is indeed a moral disgrace, and my mind and heart are reeling over the way you've treated this hysterical, bed-wetting ninny--er, I mean, important conservative voice. Pardon me for lapsing into such a gob-smackingly vile tone.

And by the way, ace, you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting Bush when we all know that Kerry was the real conservative candidate in this last election.

Hey Ace--

We're you in the shit?

- DaGR

Sullivan's large, tender ego may be a consequence of the frequency with which others tell him what a fine writer he is. Frankly, I just don't see it. He's got the knack for expressing himself clearly, but as we mathematicians like to say, that's necessary but not sufficient. His jottings seem to contain neither unusual eloquence nor unusual insight.

Perhaps it's a failing in me.

Not to be offtopic (that Sully is gobsmackingly vile) - but it *is* a waste when a good looking man is gay. His utter waste of DNA will not go toward producing another attractive man. So, biologically speaking - a waste.

I think the stress of sitting in traffic on the Hershey Highway has finally gotten to Ol' Sully there.

"Roid rage on the Hershey Highway! Film at 11!"

and we aint talking steroids!

Gosh, I hate to throw some cold water on Sully smacking, but, uh, Andrew Sullivan is right. Yep, you heard that, right. Or at least not wrong. Or at least makes a reasonable point, or whatever.

It is very different when a woman tells a gay guy "what a waste," than when a gay guy tells a straight guy the same thing.

Whereas 95% of gay guys will take the compliment, about 65-70% of straight guys (and 90% in non-urban, non-gay-friendly areas) would either get uncomfortable, disturbed, or pissed. A small percentage would get violent.

Suillivan states this with "frankly, I wince when gay men sexualize straight men inappropriately. " And he's right. Having lived in DC and South Florida for years, I'm a bit used to it. But never completely comfortable, and frankly, annoyed in certain situations. And probably a majority of straight guys wouldn't take it so well as me, though some would.

Look at the guy who tells Sullivan he's wrong:

"As a reasonably attractive straight male living in New York, I’ve been surrounded by gay men all my life. Many's the time I’ve been told it's a shame I’m not gay, often in highly ribald terms."

Exactly. He's desensitized to it. That doesn't speak for the majority of men.

So that's what Sullivan is talking about, I believe. It can be annoying when straight men leer and inappropriately hit on women, and it gets even trickier when gay men hit on straight men. As Sullivan says, context.

Andrew Sullivan reminds me of Waldo Lydecker in the movie Laura (1944).

Which means she is lucky to be alive after a crack like that.

I thought the whole point of gay equality was to make a situation like this exactly the same whether the "victim" is gay or straight. I'm in Texas, and I can tell you that most of the people I have run into wouldn't give a crap either way. In fact, I've heard more straight rednecks jokingly say they were hurt that a gay guy didn't find them attractive (as opposed to others in the room) than say that one did and it made them uncomfortable. Past the age of 15, even people in Texas stop caring whether anyone thinks they're gay, unless we're talking about Golan Cipel, Elton John or Michael Stipe.

I think this is a problem for overly sensitive gay men and not much of anybody else.

I thought the whole point of gay equality was to make a situation like this exactly the same whether the "victim" is gay or straight.

That's what you thought the whole point of gay equality was? For gay men to have the same God-given right to make forward, overtly sexual, creepy passes at straight men, just like some of their more crude straight male counterparts do to incessantly annoyed women?

That's an interesting take you have there. There may be a job at GLAAD with your name on it, my friend.

Sullivan merely comes to the eventual, eminently reasonable conclusion that context is the key. But people that make sexual comments in an inappropriate setting are creepy and annoying, even in the fantastically liberated state of Texas that you speak of, where men wear pink cowboy hats, assless chaps and have popcorn and mimosa parties on Will and Grace night.

I had no idea.

You dissing my state, Bill?! I'll get the branding iron on ye!

In any case, the previous paragraph led me to the opposite conclusion as Bill did.

"Slate's often diverting advice columnist answers a gay correspondent who's offended when someone finds out he's gay"...[Prudie speaking] "It is meant both as a compliment and a lighthearted statement" ... "Well, almost. The key way to figure this out is to reverse roles....would he be offended if a gay guy were to say, "What a waste"? I think he would."

The vibe I clearly got from that is that Sullivan thinks gay guys should be offended by the scenario.

Let's be honest...I question the timing and the motivation behind posting this god smackingily vile entry.

woops..meant GOB smackingly vile of course...

I'm not Dave from Garfield Ridge. I dont think Ace is God. Not even in the Clapton sense....

But people that make sexual comments in an inappropriate setting are creepy and annoying,--Bill from INDC

Absolutely,which is precisely why Sullivan might be 'correct' in a specific situation and completely clueless in the wider context. What I appreciate about the 'outing'of Sullivan's comments by other bloggers such as Ace is that I don't have to go to Sullivan's site at all.
Less traffic ------------ less Andrew.

Andrew who?

Our opinion goes something like this...

Andrew Sullivan is quickly becoming the blogosphere's very own version of that unsightly and unhinged homeless man who stands on the median, shaking a cup, holding some kind of incoherent cardboard sign.

Yes - everyone drives by him on the way to work in the morning, but more and more of us quietly wish that the authorities would show up to cart him away.

Andrew who? Never heard of the guy.

"light-hearted comment"?
Don't you mean "light-loafer-ed comment"?
heh.

Okay, look:
I run with a fairly artsy-fartsy crowd, and more than once a gay guy has hit on me. I take it as a compliment, in a highly abstract way, and a few times I've even heard some variation on, "What a waste."

Such is the less than perfect world we live in. Is anyone here seriously suggesting that life would be better if nobody ever took a shot at someone who just wasn't interested? Or, having gone down in flames, that they have no right to toss off some ego-saving exit line like, "What a waste"?

Most of the time, I think Sully sounds like his water broke 90 seconds before he hit the keyboard, but he must be on to something here, judging from the comment string he's generated. Personally, I could spend a couple of days listing all the annoying things more worth thinking about than this. I just hope Andrew never finds a spider in the kitchen sink; if he does, we're gonna be hearing about it until 2007.

Ah, bingo. You hit it right on the head with Sullivan. I deleted his bookmark from my favorites. The guy is lame and self absorbed. What with his myopic outlook on every issue that arises through gay colored glasses. I used to find it amusing how he would make a meandering and tortuous journey in link any newsworthy event to the struggle of the homosexual.

And what is this prisoner abuse scandal he's riding into the ground? Give it a rest, most people have moved on. Do you really think what is going on at Gitmo is any worse than what happens inside every maximum security prison in the country. These events are no less tragic and have the full knowledge and acceptance of the penal system.

Hell, what happened in Gitmo probably occurrs every Saturday night in the the backroom of the "Ramrod" club in Ptown or Fire Island!