Are (were) they also concerned about Arafish?

"They're such interesting, fascinating individuals..."

I agree. Last time I went fishing I had an interesting discussion with a charming rainbow trout fellow named Thomas who had some interesting comments on whether economic liberalization is a cause or effect of political liberalization.

That was, of course, before I grilled him up and served him with a side of aspargus and a lovely spring salad.

God, I miss him.

We're not "putting a hook through their mouth"... We're introducing the fish to the joys of "body piercing"- much like most of the PETA people I've seen.

PETA= Please Eat The Aquarium

I think it's funny that they imply they haven't gone too far yet in that last sentence.

Giving pamphlets like "Your Mommy wants to kill your dog" to young kids - Understated

"Holocaust on Your Plate" - Perfectly acceptable

Pouring blood on unsuspecting women - Nothing bad about that.

Suggesting fish might have intelligence - Might be pushing it a little.

I'm "empathic" toward fish. I think they're great pets. I also like to fish and eat fish. Fish certianly have their place in the world. They also have their place in the food chain.

Living in an area where many earn the livings off the bounty of the sea (when it's not being killed off by overfishing, that is), I don't expect to see many PETA-philes in my neighborhood.

Wow,

Stupid. Jesus fed people fish, Peter was a fisherman. They've just declared themselves anti-Christian.

Hugh McBryde

When fish stop eating fish, I'll stop eating fish.

OK, if they just stop eating their OWN YOUNG, I'll stop eating fish.

Muwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Damn. I was trying to economise but now I realise I have to eat sushi tonight. And beat a border collie with an extension cord.

I wonder what O-Dubyah thinks about PETA frowning on his favourite Mickey D's sandwich?

Some people keep fish as pets and in the case of Japanese Koi (which are friendly and long-lived), get very attached to them.

These same people have no problem with shooting a deer or yanking a trout from the water.

Eh. Whatever.

I will say that I think the Asian practice of serving fish that have been lightly grilled- but are still alive and moving- is rather disgusting.

"They're such interesting, fascinating individuals, yet they're so incredibly abused."
Abused by who? For God's sake, Fish eat Fish! These must be the same people who insist that the Evil White Man did something peculiar in taking the land from the Indians after conquering them, something they had done to each other for thousands of years ever since they first arrived on the continent. Oh, now I get it, the fish who eat fish are Evil White Fish!

Makes me want to go out in the back allyway with rod and reel and see if I can't land me some allycat for dinner.

I mean, after all, they're no different than fish, right?

Though I'm a meat-eater, I think ethically you can make a pretty good argument that in a wealthy society where plenty of non-meat alternatives are available, it's immoral to kill a nondangerous, conscious, self-aware being for no other reason than you like how it tastes. If PETA stuck to that argument (and didn't engage in stupid shock tactics like throwing blood on people or releasing a press release on 9/12 saying that a 9/11 occurs every hour for processed chickens), I'd be sympathetic. But when they start alleging that there is no difference between humans and fish, well now they're just insane. Seriously, PETA do SO MUCH more harm than good for the vegetarian cause.

Those PETA morons once tried to turn me into a "veggie oasis" burger...till they learned this cat has claws.

I was reading an article in our local Catholic paper by one of our bishops where he started out talking about his aquarium hobby (which we share) as the article progressed I discovered his point was that if you have a salt water tank (we do) you're evil because of the way the fish are harvested, not raised in fish farms. Who knew? The rest of this comment is too obvious to even write.

Why are these fascists trying to take away my right to choose?

My aquarium, myself and all that.

And Mike, I'm not trying to harsh on you, but htere is NO alternative to eating meat. Sure you can SURVIVE on tofurkey, but you can't LIVE on it.

I love the line about fish being removed from the lives of people.

Show me a cattle rancher who doesn't eat steak and I'll take that claim a little more seriously.

Next: PETA announces protest of Fear Factor. "Bugs are people, too," claims PETA rep.

What Would Oliver Willis Say?

"And Mike, I'm not trying to harsh on you, but htere is NO alternative to eating meat. Sure you can SURVIVE on tofurkey, but you can't LIVE on it."

You'd be surprised at the stuff you could live on for the sake of a vegetarian girlfriend. :)

Seriously, though, the quality of tofu fake-meat products has improved immeasurably over the past few years (check out Morning Star Chicken Wings or Boca Burgers, but avoid fast food veggie burgers like the plague). And grilled portobello mushrooms with soy or teriaki sauce tastes better and "meatier" than most steaks.

And grilled portobello mushrooms with soy or teriaki sauce tastes better and "meatier" than most steaks.

Hoo-boy.

I bet veggie girlfriend has this schlepp believing sex feels so much better with a condom, too.

'grilled portobello mushrooms with soy or teriaki sauce tastes better and "meatier" than most steaks'

Dude, you seriously need to change butchers. I can assure you that a 10oz, 2" thick tenderloin, marinated in soy, red wine and garlic overnight and cooked to medium rare over a charcoal grill tastes meatier than any damn fungus known to man. Mushrooms are a side, not an entree. I remember the immortal words of the VodkaPundit: Quorn is not a meat substitute. A meat substitute is the baked potato I eat between mouthfuls of steak.

"Hoo-boy.

I bet veggie girlfriend has this schlepp believing sex feels so much better with a condom, too."

My reply/retort would be far too graphic to get past the filters. ;) Seriously though, it's mostly the spices and marianation that make steak taste so good. If you put those same ingredients on a portabella mushroom--which actually has a strong taste to begin with--it tastes awesome.

They still haven't made an acceptable substitute to bacon, though.

"Every one of their campaigns seems like it was conceived due to losing a bar bet"

Classic.

I've had the pleasure of running into to some of the lovely rock throwing folks from PETA while flyfishing. From that encounter, I've a complete understanding of how these guys can see fish as intelligent. Everythings relative afterall ...right?
Stephen

Stephen

I've had the pleasure of running into to some of the lovely rock throwing folks from PETA while flyfishing

Mike.

Mike.

Mike.

Take a nice 1 1/2 ribeye, salt and pepper only, grill it over flame to medium rare, and legitimately tell me that a fucking portobello is just as good.

Fungus might taste sweeter after that vegan pussior, but really dude, there's no substitute for both flavor AND nutrition of meat.

I've just never met any middle linebackers that are vegetarians, know what I'm saying?

But I hope that your girlfriend has a nice rack at least.

Talk about far removed from reality, PETA takes the (fish)cake. I'm in the ocean 4-5 days a week getting my yahyahs out while surfing. I see pelicans diving and eating fish, dolphins chasing & eating fish, and seals catching and eating fish. I spend 8-10 hours a week in the water and I shouldn't eat fish? What about crushing the "life" out of thousands of soybeans to make their tofu?

If PETA was truly serious about this campaign, they would use a real war hero such as the Incredible Mr. Limpet.

I have a problem with overfishing, not eating fish. If it was left up to commercial fishermen, with no government regulation, they'd strip mine the ocean bottom until the last commercially viable species was exterminated.

And there are oceanic species that show ability to learn (groupers) and one that displays a full range of basic emotions and is judged smarter than the average chicken - octopi.

Not that I have any problem eating chickens or very rarely - octopus - since I eat pork and pigs are higher on the intelligence scale than cats or dogs.

I only want harvesting of wildlife to be done humanely and in an environmentally sustainable maner.

If it was left up to commercial fishermen, with no government regulation, they'd strip mine the ocean bottom until the last commercially viable species was exterminated.

Well, of course. Commercial fishermen want to put themselves out of a job, don't you know.

No one thought the commercial fisherman would be as greedy and short-sighted as their wildlife harvesting forebears who wiped out the bison, passenger pidgeon, California sardine industry, or came close to wiping out the whooping crane, rhino, most whale populations, and tigers -

But they proved again and again they could care less about the long-term viability of species they harvested as long as they were free to collect maximum profits in the short-term.

Many commercial fishermen would have gladly taken the last netload of cod out of the Grand Banks - if not them, they reasoned some other boat with no one saying "NO! with the power to stop it " would have. And they could have switched to wiping out a new species once the cod were all scooped up.

The result was they damaged every major global fishery in the 2nd half of the 20th century. And many land ecospheres.

Now needed, emergency, heavy gov't regulation is controlling the commercial harvestors of wildlife and is slowly recovering some major fisheries and land wildlife species - save where killing species for profit with no regard to the future by the entrepreneurs continues in areas of weak governments(Caspian Sea, African bush meat trade).

Hey, I think plants are living things, they must have feelings too.
hey hey pass me some of that steak ... lol