Ahh, its just so that the Germans can help the Islamofascists be the best fascists they can be!

Darn right it's "dangerous for a state to begin dictating the manner in which citizens may worship" because it suggests the locals think long-term threats to Germany (and Europe) can be resolved with gestures. When Bassam Tibi said "If we don’t do more to integrate foreigners then Germany will face the civil war-like conditions" he was echoing the french general who said a while back "In 10 years we'll be fighting in the streets of France."

Most recently, Europe's "silly teenagers" came up with a placebo agreement with Iran that will serve to guarantee the mullah's build a bomb. Among the Euro's shortsighted goals was to forestall stronger U.S. action, but they're buying themselves a passel of trouble. If they think they've got problems with a homegrown terrorist factory now, just wait 'til the latter is protected by Iran's nuclear umbrella. Remember "better red than dead?" There's an updated version of that jackboot ready to stomp in Europe's demilitarized face forever, and it awaits their forthcoming surrender.

One other teensy detail. We’ve now got one more good reason to draw down our Germany-based troops on the double-quick, and they’ve got one more really, really good reason to wish they hadn’t spent the last two years teeth-kicking the only ally they’ve got that's ready, willing and able to project meaningful force.

If they do call on us they can use the same phone# Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero reached when he phoned to offer congratulations on Bush’s reelection.

Wait just a friggin' minute here. This whole article, Ace, is comparing apples and oranges. First of all, Christians don't preach hatred and intollerance, as does Islam. Ducking behind the cover of religious oppression by the Germans, says nothing to the overall problem. The problem isn't one of imposing an edict on Islam, it's a problem that more countries, this one included, aren't doing more to monitor the Islamic cult. Yes, cult. Islam is a cult of believers in a religion contrived by a false prophet. Germany, in this case is right to weed out the radicals; something we're too weak-kneed to do.

Sooner or later the cowardly Europeans are going to wake up to the fact that we are already well into World War III. Hopefully sooner rather then later. But until they tire of being knocked around by demented religious fanatics, the US will just have to soldier on. Sometimes, as in this story, you can really hear the rusty wheels of comprehension turning over in their fuzzy utopian little heads. (This is what happens when you don't take responsibility for your own defense - pathetic!)

Um, Ron, I'm assuming from your comment that you're a Christian. I may be wrong, and if I am, I'm sure you'll correct me. That said, when you write something like this:

Christians don't preach hatred and intollerance, as does Islam.

You might want to reconsider writing the following just a few sentences later:

Islam is a cult of believers in a religion contrived by a false prophet.

I know, I know...that may be your opinion, and you're entitled to it. It's just that you sound a little, well, intolerant when you basically claim that the followers of one of the world's largest religions believe in a load of crap.

one of Martin Luther's many reforms was to translate the Bible and the Christian liturgy from the language of the priests (Latin) into the language of the people (German in his case)

This split the church but in the end (centuries later...) the Catholic church adopted this particular reform.

Many commentators have called for the many strands of Islam to collectively undergo a reformation similar to what Christianity has undergone. But I don't think this is quite what they had in mind....

Sean M.,

If Ron is belongs to any religion but Islam, or is an atheist, then by definition he believes Islam is bunk. Respecting other religions is all well and good, and one can say that there are good points to Islam, but unless you are a Muslim you believe they are wrong.

I don't tell people of other religions this to their face because it isn't polite, and I appreciate the fact that they don't tell me my faith in the Great Pumpkin is wackiness. However, not saying something because it is "intolerant" sticks in my craw.

I guess the "freedom of worship" point of view would be that they can say what they want, how they want, in church/mosque or whatever. I'm rather against trying to tell someone to do their services in a certain language. (hey Jews, none of that Hebrew stuff... Catholics, knock off the Latin)

Having said that, are the Germans totally clueless? Jeez, read an Arabic newspaper in English- let alone Arabic, and you'll find enough to make you wonder about the goals of some of the more radical elements of Islam. It's all out there, Europe is just choosing not to see it.

Going on what Ron said, that "Christians don't preach hatred and intollerance" -- well, when I lived in Germany, the "free churches" (Baptists, Methodists, even Mennonites, all of whom were considered quite literally as cults by my classmates and host family) said that they were the only churches allowed to preach anything they wanted, as long as it didn't stray too far into the radical. The Established churches (Lutheran and Catholic) could speak only within government parameters. The Catholic sermons I heard, supporting homosexual behavior and abortion, would lead me to believe they were right! So, if Christians in Germany don't preach what other people see as hatred and intolerance, it's because of the same government control the German government wants over the Mosques. (They've also banned scientology, and some job applications I've seen ask if you've ever *read* Dianetics, regardless of what you thought of it -- and also ask if you're a member of a "free church". State control of religion's nothing new there.)

It may be frightening, but at least it's equal treatment -- and watching the people with more of a recent history of calling for mass murder, rather than only those who haven't really done that for quite some time.

Muslims shave their armpits?! I mean who knew?
A friend of mine was stationed in Germany years ago and she explained that germans usually take a bath every week or so and apply cologne and perfumes to control the body odor. The result is a sickening sweet smell of stinky BO and old cologne. So maybe the Muslims are on to something. But how sad that Muslims are bitching about the Germans personal hygiene.

Well, Germany has already banned or severely restricted Scientology. (I don't remember the specifics.) Maybe they could just turn the Scientologists and the Islamicsts on each other.

Aw, come on, man!

If they invade France do we have to go save their sorry asses again?

German television chiefs shocked by typical response: “If you insult Islam, you have to pay,”??? This is a newsflash? Yes, all infidels must pay in Blood! But Allah The Merciful also accepts cash, credit card, installment payments (easy terms available), or check (we trust you). Europe's silly teenagers are just beginning to sense the trouble they are in, because the Moslem occupies every country where he sets his feet. And Allah shall conquer all of Europe. Praise Mighty Allah!

Aw, Ace,

The Krauts (and I'm an American one, so don't give me any shit) can be trusted to only attack Islam, and Islam needs it (that's true enough now, isn't it?). There's no danger at all in it spreading past that. It's not like the Germans have a history of such things. *cough*

But seriously, this shows more the problem with teh collective myopia of the Europeans. For years the muzzies have been saying they were going to attack Europeans, and it wasn't until Van Gogh (and that after Pim Fortuyn) that these moron wake up. All the time they're accusing America of "intolerance." (really sean, you should look up that word in regards to religion, I do not think it means what you think it means).

Now, when they get scared they immediately launch into full oppression mode (which the EUnichs do so well). There's just no middle ground with them. "Germans, they're at your throat or at your knees." - Churchill

All questions of tolerance and scary Germans aside -- really, everything I have heard from the emissions of these Islamic "holy persons" sounds like the sorts of talk we train our toddlers out of using in public: "You smell! You dress funny! I don't like you! This food is yucky!"

Jeez, haven't these guys ever heard of linguists? Translators? People that can listen in on the hateful diatribes in Arabic and understand them?

And since when is tipping the bad guy off that you're listening in, and indeed telling him to repeat his nefarious plans in a language the cops can understand, considered a fruitful strategy?

Should have let the Kaiser have the whole damned continent...

Seriously though, shave yer pits and use some deodorant. The Islamofacists are right.

Please shave your armpits
Or Islamists will kill you
Deodorant helps

Hey, folks, I understand that if you strongly believe in your faith, you probably believe that adherents of other faiths are going down the wrong path. That's fine and dandy.

What I was talking about was a matter of tone. You can make a statement about your own strong faith without resorting to calling the other guy's religion a cult or talking about his "false prophet," and you'd be especially wise to avoid that sort of thing when trying to paint yourself as the tolerant guy.

That said, Germans really do stink, but not as badly as Frenchmen.

Islam is political party as much as a religion. It's both, and a culture as well. You can't say "This is culture, this is religion, this is politics." It's all the same to them.

Frankly, it's a set of beliefs that encourage action. That action is anti-social and dangerous to others.

What would you guys do without your stereotypes?

We Americans use stereotypes because we are all fat, lazy, arrogant cowboys.

Regarding the smelly Germans theme. Reuters carried this:

Nov 17, 8:56 AM (ET)

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germans find smelly co-workers to be the most annoying aspect of their jobs, according to a survey by the German business magazine Junge Karriere.

The survey found 38 percent of German office workers were "most bothered" by the smells of their colleagues, 15 percent said they were annoyed by co-workers socializing too much, and 14 percent by untidy desks.

The poll of 354 participants found 26 percent were content with their jobs and have nothing at all to complain about.

Jesus loves you Allah wants you dead (according to the FALSE prophet Muhammad, who was a man afflicted with epileptic seizures not visions from Allah). For more truths about the life of Muhammad all should read "Sword of the Prophet" by Serge Trifkovic.

Remember Jesus Christ is the anti-(opposite of) Muhammad, and conversely Muhammad is the anti-Christ.