Matthews is a shameless cocksucker. He and Terry McAuliffe are my two frontrunners for Cocksucker of the Year. I am pondering an award on my site for it.

:)

Ace- I think you may be misreading this. It looks to me like Matthews is speaking from the point of view of an Iraqi insurgent, role-playing, and when he says "rivals, not bad guys," etc. etc., he's describing an American soldier. The passage as a whole seems to me to make more sense when read this way.

Nope. He then calls them the "insurgents, fighting you in their own country" immediately after that language.

Just think of Asshole Matthews as a troll who has a TV show. What's vexing is how they conceal his tinfoil hat, cause they never take them off.

if we saw one of them do what we saw our guy did to that guy [the playing-dead terrorist], would that be worthy of a war-crime charge?

Gee Chris, I'm guessing they would skip right over their non-existent UCMJ, not collect $200, and hack away on the US soldier's neck and spinal cord with a dull sword. Kind of like they are doing at every opportunity anyway.

Now that Scott Petersen is history, MSNBC and CNN need something else to beat into the ground; Abu Graib didn't have enough staying power. Maybe if enough people quit watching they will get the hint. What a spineless tool.

"insurgents fighting us in their country"

I had no idea Fallujah had been annexed by both Jordan and Chechnya, based on the majority of "insurgents" we've found beheading actual Iraqis there. Oh, and I guess Iran must own the South of Iraq too.

Why wouldn't you defend the Marine?

"insurgents fighting us in their country"

I had no idea Fallujah had been annexed by both Jordan and Chechnya, based on the majority of "insurgents" we've found beheading actual Iraqis there. Oh, and I guess Iran must own the South of Iraq too.

Why wouldn't you defend the Marine?

It's not that I wouldn't, it's that that's not the point I'm making.

I'm making an entirely separate point, and I don't want it to get confused with the question of the Marine's conduct. I don't think there's anything wrong with Matthews' question "Wouldn't this be a war crime if committed by the other side?"

One can have several answers to that -- and those answers are very fact-sensitive, and right now we have few facts -- but the question is fair and does not demonstrate a pro-enemy bias.

On the other hand, characterizing terrorists as "just some people who disagree with you" does demonstrate a disgusting sympathy for murderers.

Ace, what is your basis for labeling someone a Terrorist?

Do you have some inside information on how this particular Iraqi participated in supermarket bombings or something? Or is anyone who is not fighting on our side a terrorist? As far as I can tell, all anyone knows for sure is that the guy was an Iraqi, lying on the floor of the mosque, wounded, bleeding and still breathing.

And there is no way you can no whether he was 'faking' anything unless you've got second sight. In which case, you could probably scare up some more of that blog money advertising for psychic friends network. You know if you been lying on a floor bleeding for long enough, you might not have enough strength to move!

I'm not making any judgements about the Marine either. See, I like to have these things called 'facts', or at least a good amount of evidence, before I shoot off my mouth. (doesn't always work out that way, but I try.)

And with regards to Matthews, wow - can you handle any dialogue, in any venue, that doesn't that doesn't adhere to a strict 'us against them' scenario?

And with regards to Matthews, wow - can you handle any dialogue, in any venue, that doesn't that doesn't adhere to a strict 'us against them' scenario?

Ummm, in war?

Are you even capable of wrapping your head around that idea? War? You know, war?

Do you have some inside information on how this particular Iraqi participated in supermarket bombings or something? Or is anyone who is not fighting on our side a terrorist?

I know he's definitely an illegal combatant, at the very least-- and as such, he can be shot or hanged as a spy or saboteur.

They always say that about soldiers outside of their uniforms in World War II movies. Get this, Batman-- they're not making it up. That was the Rule of War, and it remains the Rule of War to this very day.

Oh, yeah "war" like in 'The War Against Terror"... cuz we're not at war with Iraq, or Al Qaida, or Osama Bin Laden, or, heck, anyone or anything specific, we are at war with terror. And anyone who objects or disagrees is a terrorist.

Everybody shutup. We are at war. And guess what, you'll never be able to open your mouth with an opposing opinion, or idea, or thought, ever again - cuz the war on terror will never end.

Violations of Geneva Convention

1. Perp was wearing civilian garb.

2. Perp in a mosque used as a combat postition, repeatedly.

3. Perp was feigning death, and NOT surrendering.

Double-tap and move on.

JF Kerry earned a medal for less.

Semper Fi Marine.

It won't, El Batman, if we don't fight it.

Oh Ace, you and your "US" vs. "THEM", black-and-white, kill or be killed, approach to war!

Such....incurious simplisme, it is to laugh.

You know, I'm glad our Soldiers and Marines don't think the way you do, or they'd be out there killing, for gosh sakes.

Ah, I see, so the War on Terror was there first, and thence came the terrorists. I keep forgetting that there were no terrorists until Bush came into office. Batguano, you're an idiot.

Gee Lauraw, thought I was referencing the ability of talk-show hosts to speak in hypotheticals, since this is what Ace was actually objecting to...

Zetetic, do you ever even attempt to make sense?

ACE points out Matthews is caught up in the old "one persons terrorist is another person's freedom fighter" moral equivalency mindset.

The problem is the Muslims and the far Left are the last global holdouts on defining WHAT constitutes terrorism, and are the strongest advocates of non-reciprocity in the Geneva Conventions.

1. They disagree on the most obvious definition of terrorism - the deliberate targeting of civilians to achieve a political objective. To them it's as OK to bomb an Israeli disco full of kids as it is to fight the armed Zionist colonists seizing their lands on the West Bank.

2. They think that if one side disregards all rules and laws of warfare and is not a party to sign International Conventions on warfare - it is still incumbent on the other side to treat them as honorable combatants with all rules and mercies accorded to them as to soldiers who follow the rules, laws, and conventions.

Liberal Democrat assholes like Matthews (and his Euro counterparts) think their purpose in life is to level the playing field so that who wins "the game" - either side - is made a more even match. Thus their advocacy of extra rights to help out criminals, terrorists, and enemy combatants against their police, FBI, and military opponents.

I and most Americans reject that liberal Dem/Euroweenie logic. I want OUR side to win, by the rules and what's legal...and I don't want a side that disregards the rules and what's legal to have their transgressions ignored to better their odds.

In fact, I harken back to Bush's statement that you are with us, or with the terrorists....to apply to people like Chris Matthews.

In this case Matthew's opposing opinion is that those fighting us in Iraq are just good ole boys defending their home turf (Lets dismiss for the moment that many of them are in fact foreigners).

-So why have these nice homeboy freedom fighters been KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE for months on end? Why are they disrupting civil life and trying to prevent free elections, when ceasing these activities is the surest way to send the Marines home?

And why are they disemboweling female foreign aid workers who are trying to help the most needy?

And then of course- all the bloody foreigners who are being captured and killed in battle with US forces.

Matthews' opinion doesn't bear any scrutiny at all and deserves all the raspberries it gets.

Cedarford,

Chris Matthews is a Liberal Democrat like George Bush is a 'Compassionate Conservative who is a uniter, not a divider'.

Chris Matthews

You may be the first person I have ever heard accuse Chris Matthews of "hiding his worldview."

Pssst....It was on MSNBC, no one was watching.

Pssst....It was on MSNBC, no one was watching.

That's why I say he was hiding it. You could have an S&M affair with a cocker spaniel on MSNBC and no one would be the wiser.

I'm a bit late, but I want to point out that Matthews wasn't debating whether the guy was an enemy combatant. He freely admitted that the Iraqi was one of the guys that we are fighting against, but tried to couch that in pretty, moral-equivalent language.

He was specifically saying that the people we're fighting over there aren't really all that bad, just people with a different worldview. Which, to anyone that is paying attention, is asinine.

Are the clouds and rain getting to your head today, Batman?

b/c "terrorists" . . . get this, now . . . terrorize civilians. In fallujah, the "terrorists" were stoning, shooting, amuptating limbs from, attacking, tyrannizing, and yes, terrorizing civilians. Iraqi civilians. As well as foreign civilians. Did this "terrorist" do these things in particular? Who knows, and who the fuck cares. He was part of a terrorist force in the city.

Earth to Batman, the Fallujah "insurgents" can reasonably be called "terrorists."

Sometimes I wonder if you're just a fake troll. Really I do.

Thanks hobgoblin. And Mr. Batman: How about those "insurgents" who literally butchered the woman working for CARE, the woman who had essentially spend her life trying to help over there. I don't know (or care) if you are a troll, but you sure are stupid.

Good point, " " (whoever left the 7:10 pm post). Have there been any prominent discussions of that woman the terrorists slaughtered? These "holy warriors" from Syria cut off her arms and legs, slit her throat, and disemboweled her, an innocent civilian... but it's a bullet in the head of a guy who's been firing on U.S. Marines that gets talked about on Hardball.

Explain the logic, Batman, or others of his ilk. I'm waiting.

Perhaps the way to put a stop to this war is to send Batman and his buddies over to Iraq to explain that the thoughtful and intelligent portion of America does not support this war or our President. It is merely the bible thumping morons from red states that are running this illegal war. Since our "rivals" in Iraq are "not bad guys especially" they would be willing to listen to what our more enlightened citizens have to say.

I'm sure that they would be open to reasonable discussion as they line up our peace ambassadors and SAW OFF THEIR HEADS!

Bald Eagle: Cool idea...send (moon)batman over there to mediate with those misunderstood "insurgents". Find out what's bothering them. Give them a big hug. Maybe take along some Ronco knife sharpeners as gifts. Yeah, that should end all this fussing and fighting. Who needs the Marines, anyway.

Oh, I forgot. Moonbatman: Don't bother to pack your camera, the "insurgents" will send us a video of you in a few days.

Let's see... I disagree with Chris Matthews, he's probably not a bad guy, so... He must be an Enemy Soldier! Yeah, that's it.

Wonder if Chris Matthews ever went over to "the other side" and asked the question on what the insurgents/terrorists would do with an American soldier? Think he would be beheaded before a week was up? Think he would ever go?

I just gotta poke fun at the Geneva Convention quip.

1. Perp was wearing civilian garb.

"They're so po', they can't afford uniforms. Please ignore the fact that the guns and RPGs cost $500 each."

2. Perp in a mosque used as a combat position, repeatedly.

"But it is the only place that isn't being shelled outright!"

3. Perp was feigning death, and NOT surrendering.

"He was barely breathing, not feigning death! How could he surrender when he was obviously unconscious?" Wait long enough, and you may never know he is faking it - especially when others had been faking it and then pulled a gun or tossed a grenade. Of course there are no pictures of that, just reports.

"chris matthews,"
king of moonbatman!
king of blowholes!
king of most annoying voice ever!

Un-f*cking-believable!

Hey, those insurgents are just regular Joes like us, defending what they believe in. 'Cept for them sawing off the heads of contractors, disemboweling female humanitarian workers, and waving the white flag before opening fire on our troops.....pretty much they're just like us! It's just a matter of perspective is all.

What is the matter with today's Left? Do they hate America so much? God, I hate the media! Our brave troops have done a heroic job over there (and in Afghanistan), but instead of thanks they get smeared and second-guessed at every turn.

The entire video (not blacked out) is on Reuters.com now, under their top videos in their television section.

http://tv.reuters.com/ifr_main.jsp?st=1100665168648&rf=bm&mp=WMP&wmp=1&rm=1&cpf=true&fr=111304_073815_17d5d2ax10032a5f481x1333&rdm=807551.538094242

The guy being shot is not the old man in front, but a young man all the way in back, and it's not clear he was alive except his legs go lax, and not gory at all.

BUT, the action does wake up another guy pretending to be dead, who immediately waves his arms around, throws off his blankets, and sits up! As soon as he proves he's unarmed, the cameraman even starts interviewing him. So this wasn't random shooting for the hell of it - not at all.

Hmmm...

Remember the scene in "The Untouchables", where Malone (Connery) is interrogating one of Capone's men in the cabin, and when he won't talk, Malone goes outside and picks up the body of another mobster that Ness (Costner) already shot.

Malone puts a pistol in the dead man's mouth and pretends to interrogate him. When the dead man doesn't talk, Connery fires and blows his head all over the live captive inside the cabin. The live captive starts singing like a canary.

Maybe this marine knew the young insurgent was faking, and shot one of the dead bodies against the wall just to make a point and get him talking.

As Axolotl noted, it seems to have worked.

Batman. When we find you, just remember to twitch a little.

...not to defend what that marine did, but that terrorist son of a bitch he shot was not protected by the Geneva
convention.

Fortunately, that unarmed "innocent" will not be loading
his car with explosives and blowing it up at a checkpoint or shooting hostages or cutting off their heads tomorrow. Praise be to Allah!

Everybody shutup. We are at war. And guess what, you'll never be able to open your mouth with an opposing opinion, or idea, or thought, ever again - cuz the war on terror will never end.

Yes, puh-leaze. Anything to stop those recurrent nightmares where Batman yammers on and on and on and on and on and on about being shut up and stifle, Edith! and help, help, I'm being repressed!. Bring on the gulags, bring on the Stasi, hell, bring on the dancing horses for all I care, anything to stop the incessant, ear-grating, juvenile chorus of come see the violence inherent in the system!. Cripes, I'll need a hearing aid pretty soon if the bitching and moaning from behind the duct tape and concertina wire gets any louder.

Or, as the great philosopher Yosemite Sam used to snarl: "Shut up shuttin' up!"

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-510832.php

sign the petition to support the Fallujah marine and pass it on.

Bacchus hath drowned more men than Neptune. Dr. Thomas Fuller (1654 - 1734), Gnomologia, 1732

These right wing nut-jobs won't ever realize who the real murders are. They are hoplessly indoctrinated, and U.S. fascism would not be possible without their ignorance and faithful support. I luv how these rightwing neo-fascists are so quick to label Citizens in their own country as terrorists, or insurgents. I think it would serve them well to learn a little bit about international law. ( though I know they never will, as facts elude them ) The people of an occupied nation enjoy a 'God-Given' Right to resist the occupation. This does not make them criminals, this makes them men who are protecting their country from invasion. We all have a right to self defense. And since they keep bringing up how these savages behead people and kill americans, I would like someone to name just one american that was beheaded or killed prior to the illegal invasion of their country. ( and if one of you nazi supporters brings up Iraqi involvment in the WTC catastrophy, you will truly show you stupidity ) In my opinion the U.S. fascists are the real terrorist savages. It is far more brutal and cowardly to kill innocent women and children ( at least 100,000 killed by U.S. bombings ) in air-raids. I know I do not need to explain this to anyone with common sense, or the slightest inclination towards civility. I also realize that the people who need to learn these lessons never will. Carry on Christian Fascists, I am truly ashamed that ye are our countrymen !