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November 10, 2004

Holland's 9-11: An Email from a Dutchman Who's Had Enough

It's not surprising it took this level of psychotic outrage to wake the Dutch up. Seems like it took an awful lot to wake America out of its slumber as well.

This letter is sent to me by Jim Oberg, who vouches for its authenticity and says it came from a Dutchman he knows personally:

It's sad indeed, but what's even sadder is the fact that everybody was predicting things like this were bound to happen sooner or later (but everybody knew it would be sooner).
Everybody was warning for muslim extremism, with Christians and Jews being harrassed by young Morroccans, spit in their faces, beaten up, robbed, etc. Everybody was saying something HAD to be done, except the government. Even when Pim Fortuyn was assassinated (the right-wing politician who dared to say these things aloud in the press) the ruling parties spoke out that the limit had been reached, did nothing and after a few weeks went back to every-day business.

A sad example is the mayor of Amsterdam. Mind you, this major is a Jew, and I feel a Jew should understand more than anyone else how important it is to fight racism and extremism. But this guy is simply too much of a softie for his job.
When young Morroccans were screaming anti-semitic texts during the annual ceremony to commemorate the holocaust, he did nothing, except saying "We must start a dialogue with these people to explain why this is unacceptable."

When they used the wreaths as footballs, he said "We must start a dialogue with these people to explain why this is unacceptable."

When they stood outside Christian churches an spat in the faces of the church-goers, calling them pigs and Christian dogs, he said: "We must start a dialogue with these people to explain why this is unacceptable."

When a small group of these guys (of between 15 and 18 years old) terrorized an elderly couple to such an extent that they had to flee from their street where they had lived for decades, he said "We must start a dialogue with these people to explain why this is unacceptable."

On top of that, he gave them a building where they could meet. Never did he do anything to protect the people that were attacked. The police is afraid to act, since they are always accused of discrimination immediately. Cops that I know are very, very frustrated about this. They resent the fact that issuing speeding tickets is a higher priority than protecting the people (it is!).

I don't know what you heard about what's been happening here in the last week. When Theo van Gogh was murdered, that was the limit for many, many people. The killer stuck a breadknife in his body with a letter addressed to a female (Muslim) MP announcing that she would be next (and several other outspoken people were also named).

This woman had been telling in public about the humiliations women have to undergo in Muslim countries such as Somalia (where she was born), Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. She has had dozens and dozens of death threats since.

The reason Van Gogh was killed, the letter said, was the fact that he couldn't find her and because she has a number of body guards.

Van Gogh was rather outspoken, to say the least. He called Muslims "goat fuckers", explaining that he felt he had the right to call them that since these Morroccans call him a dog or a pig.

All in all, it appears that there are elements here that have had it with the undecisiveness of the government and decided to take the law into their own hands. A very bad development, but something most non-politicians had seen coming for several years.

I don't know where you got the info you added in your message (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=13530_Massive_Anti-Terror_Action_in_The_Hague), but there weren't 40 arrest teams (equivalent to your SWAT teams). There aren't that many in the entire country!

However, never before have there been this many different police and military units involved in one incident. Three policemen were injured when the house they wanted to raid turned out to be boobytrapped and the people inside threw a hand grenade. Two were hospitalized, one of them seriously wounded, but not life-threatening.

About three hours ago, the BBE and sharpshooters ended the siege and arrested two people, one of them was shot in the shoulder in the process. They suspected that there was some explosives in the house, plus the other weapons. Don't know if they've already found anything: a robot with a camera is searching the place. They're probably afraid that there will be more booby traps and I cant blame them....

Anyway, I'm afraid that it isn't over yet. It's probably just starting.

posted by Ace at 03:56 PM

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My roommate lived in Austria for a year, and I've spoken with people in England about this. Apparently their attitude is that here in the US it's more "culturally diversified" so a lot of this shit just doesnt happen in our backyards. Over there however, it's all in your face all the time. Interesting, uplifting, and yet sad at the same time that their government refused to do anything about it until vigilante's start roaming the streets. Makes you wonder - are they more concerned about keeping "whitey" in line, or the muslim murderers.

Posted by: fat kid on November 10, 2004 04:14 PM

Damn, I wish I could edit comments - might as well check out a Euro's comments over at my site.

Posted by: fat kid on November 10, 2004 04:21 PM

Van Gogh was on his knees trying to reason with the assassin who had just shot him six times. The guy just cut his throat.

Looks like Holland woke up after the first shot.

Posted by: See-Dubya on November 10, 2004 04:24 PM

Here’s something recent on the problem in Holland. If the Dutch government is as conflicted as ours then, instead of figuring out how to combat Islamification they’re huddling at this moment to map out a communications strategy about how to play this one. Stateside, that would involve some focus-grouping and arranging for different talking heads to issue statements on all sides of the issue. No doubt Eurabia has its own unique style of shucking and jiving while all hell breaks loose.

A while back, a French general said, "In ten years we'll be fighting in the streets of France." That ought to be in bronze in Brussels.

Posted by: Lastango on November 10, 2004 04:39 PM

Would that it were so. Unfortunately Western Europe has had 50 years to drink at the well of post-nationalist, multicultural utopianism. Must have been nice not to have to worry about national self-defense, and spend all your resources building welfare states instead, as long as the U.S. was willing to protect them from the big mean Soviet Bear. Now that the party is over, some are just now starting to re-realize that nations have cultures. Distinct cultures. And that, just like a cancer in an organic body, if you wait too before you admit the illnees, you are already dead.

Posted by: Bud Tugley on November 10, 2004 04:39 PM

Someone *not volunteering* should do some research on this claim of Van Gogh's that muslims are "goat fuckers" - this could be the new meme. It's just childish and insulting enough to stick - even if it's somewhere along the lines of "Prove it didn't happen".

Yes. I *am* a bastard.

Posted by: fat kid on November 10, 2004 04:44 PM

sorry for off-topic

I just heard 1st Battalion, 8th Marines just leveled a mosque in Fallujah ..with tanks no less.

BOOYAAH!!

JesusLand 1
Allah 0

Posted by: God Bless America on November 10, 2004 04:44 PM

Maybe Holland should be thankful only one person had to die to wake them from their stupor, and not 3,000.

Even the "good" Muslims are in danger in Europe though. America has a long history now of being quite racially diverse and dealing with racial issues. Europe's recent history on race and ethnicity isn't so good. They're much more homogenous, which means it will be much easier to devolve into Us v. Them.

I can't imagine though the mind-set that let it reach this point. That mayor in Amsterdam, really, what was he thinking?

Posted by: Brock on November 10, 2004 04:46 PM

GBA -

More like Jesusland 234, Allah 3 (911, Bali, Madrid).

Damn goat fuckers. Eat my non-radioactive, depleted uranium shell.

Posted by: Brock on November 10, 2004 04:49 PM

Actually I believe Muslims prefer Camel intercourse, as some have translated the Koranic verse descrbing the jihadist reward in heaven as 72 black eyed camels. Go figure.
I mean look at Arrafat's face. Its pretty obvious there's a camel in his family tree somewhere

Posted by: Iblis on November 10, 2004 04:51 PM

Fat Kid and Iblis, try to be a little more ”diverse.”

Posted by: Lastango on November 10, 2004 05:01 PM

Nah, I think I'll stick with my closeminded quadropederoticaphobia.

Posted by: Iblis on November 10, 2004 05:06 PM

Guys,

Found this blog some time ago and ace is doing a superb job here. Im Dutch and I can tell you first hand that moods are getting very grim around here. The line was crossed with Theo van Gogh's assassination. The vice prime minister declared "war" on islamitic extremists in the Netherlands past Saturday.

Our sigil is the lion. On the English/Dutch blog site Zacht ei (www.zachtei.com), they said it right: hard to rouse, but watch it roar when angered.

Lastango, our government is far less divided about Iraq than your government as far as what I'm hearing from the US. Our +1000 guys and women deployed in Iraq are still there, doing their job every day, and a large majority of our government supports them being there.

Posted by: Mad House on November 10, 2004 05:28 PM

Brock: The killed Pim Fortuyn before they killed Theo.
I guess the Dutch aren't going to take the 3rd pitch without swinging.

Posted by: Joe Mama on November 10, 2004 05:54 PM

Someone *not volunteering* should do some research on this claim of Van Gogh's that muslims are "goat fuckers" - this could be the new meme.

Way, way ahead of you, dude- spread the word...

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000420.html

Posted by: scott on November 10, 2004 05:54 PM

PUAHAHAHAAH - thanks Scott! I've got cox & forkum in my bloglines subscription, but I guess I missed that one. :( Gotta make that more of a regular read. We should try and coordinate an effort to get Glenn Reynolds (or dare I wish, Andrew Sullivan) to link one of us about a goat-fucking story.

I would literally, well I don't know what I'd do, but I'd probably have an aneurism from laughing so hard.

Posted by: fat kid on November 10, 2004 07:45 PM

Michael Ledeen has some thoughts on the situation in Holland and the islamification of Europe.

Posted by: Lastango on November 10, 2004 08:53 PM

You (Eu) have inviteded the fox in the hen house and his true nature has been revealed. He will be much harder to extract. Note that your policies have failed throughout all of history and will continue to fail. Expect the violence to greatly increase while the left searches for answers to no avail. Their party idioligy means more than their freedom.

Posted by: Screaming Eagle on November 11, 2004 09:28 AM

The good Muslims are like the good familes that will tolerate and protect a criminal in their circle. Will a sempathetic sister or father turn in a brother or son who comites crimes or will they seek to protect him?

Posted by: Screaming Eagle on November 11, 2004 09:42 AM

How come I remember Fortuyn being killed by an animal rights activist? I think that's what I read just after it happened... although I could be wrong.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was killed by a radical Islamist, he wasn't big on the whole Mohameddan thing.

Posted by: Mark V. on November 12, 2004 01:43 PM

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