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November 09, 2004
Who's Mainstream? Who Only Thinks They're Mainstream?Hobgoblin notes: Let's face reality: Dmocrats simply cannot accept that people think they're wrong. I've been meaning to post on this idea. The fact is that it's very important for liberals to think of themselves as "mainstream" and as part of the dominant mode of political thought. Their belief that they are mainstream is reinforced, powerfully, by the liberal "mainstream" media, which tells them how right they are every day. In fact, the mainstream (ahem) media uses this belief of its centrism to justify its clear political bias. We're not liberally biased, they claim. We have a natural bias to reflect the dominant political thought in the country; of course we cover that dominant political though more than fringe thought. How else could we report? When this faith in their mainstream status is shaken, they get a little pissy. I don't know how it is for the rest of you. Some of you live in Red States, so maybe you actually have the feeling you're part of the majority mode of thought in the country. Maybe that's why so many of you were bullish on Bush's chances. As a Reddish-Purple inhabitant of a very blue state's very bluest city, however, I always feel like a minority. I don't expect people to agree with me. And I don't make arguments based on the notion that my thoughts are "centrist," because I rarey feel that they are. So this idea of being "mainstream" isn't central to me. It's kinda alien. I don't express shock when I meet liberals. I express shock when I meet conservatives; I just can't believe my good fortune. But liberals really do have this idea that they're in the very center of American politics; to their left are hardcore Naderite/Chomskyite leftists (about 1/3 of the country, they figure) and to their right are hard-core fascist Republicans like Chris Shays, and beyond that, the real wack-a-loons who vote for Bush (sadly, they figure this too is about 1/3 of the country). They seem perpetually shocked to realize, again and again, that they are the smaller plurality in America. I'm never really shocked by finding out the public doesn't agree with me. I'm occasionally bothered by it -- didn't everyone else agree that Bill Clinton was just a, well, a dick? -- but I'm never surprised. It's what I kinda expect. I think liberals would do themselves a favor, just on the level of psychological comfort, to get used to the idea that they're neither majority nor mainstream. It's not a bad thing thinking of oneself as the perpetual outsider. For one thing, you get to pose as the rebel, even though you're actually kinda-sorta an establishment-lovin' authoritarian statist. Which is cool. I gotta figure there's more money in that, anyway. You know what a real rebel makes? Bupkis. Correction: Ron says it's "bupkis," not "bubkis," and I believe him. Sort of. posted by Ace at 05:25 PM
CommentsFunny, I just had a post expressing this same kind of sentiment. However, mine just spirals into a tirade against New Yorkers (of which group I count my favorite uncle and best friend - however even they believe they are the center of the universe). Posted by: fat kid on November 9, 2004 05:32 PM
BTW, word of the day: Apoplexy. Heh. Posted by: fat kid on November 9, 2004 05:36 PM
Thanks for the notice, ace. It's just been a really odd phenomenon to watch, once Bush won over 50% (which no one has done since 1984). They gradually realize that they are NOT America. Some are moving to Canada, some are abjectly grovelling before the Chthulu of Europe and Islam (you've seen that site, right?), and some are just in deep, bitter denial. I guess since FDR the libs have thought themselves not only the vanguard, but the appionted representatives of the American people, whereas the right has been the eager tool of the corporations. Now tha the American bigots and retards have gone with Bush, the Left pledges full allegiance to the "world community" that would just as soon see them dead or in chains. I really see this fundamental shift as destabilizing some already unstable minds on the left. I foresee many more acts of eco-terrorism, petty violence, and even worse in teh next few months. God help us all if the Republicans pick up more than a few seats in the next midterm. Of course, the Right's the side with the guns. You, living in NY, should be able to see some of the choicest of the looney birds who have taken denial to new heights. And you shouldn't have to worry about partisan attacks on good ol' liberal Gotham. Fact is though, most folks just don't like the typical Dem agenda. And that upsets the Left's whole world view. Posted by: hobgoblin on November 9, 2004 06:44 PM
One of my highlights has been watching the Daily Show (which I normally do not) and seeing Jon Stewart trying to grapple with the fact that the majority of the United States doesn't see things the way he and his audience do. It was amazing to watch him trying to wrap his mind around it. Posted by: Alex on November 9, 2004 07:40 PM
Remarkably, there are a few liberals here, couple of my friends have had a really bad week. I keep thinking they are going to let go of their hatred, that eventually they'll climb out of the bitterness.. and they keep proving I'm wrong. Posted by: Dave in Texas on November 9, 2004 07:45 PM
I know how you feel Ace, I live in Minnesota. My friends and I just agree not to talk about politics. I save all my political energy for the Blogs. Posted by: Jake on November 9, 2004 09:09 PM
Wow, It's sad to see you remark on how isolated you feel in NYC. NYC is my hometown, it's where I hope to live again in the future, but I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to live there at present. How clueless are the majority of people that are living there at the moment? Do they remember how life was in NYC under David Dinkins? Do they remember when Times Square was overrun with prostitutes, pornographic shops, and muggers? Do they truly desire a return of these glorious times? I lived through those times as a high school student. I remember clearly how many people hated Rudy Guliani and how lucky I felt when I was able to vote for him in 1996, my first election. I know what a difference he and other republicans have made to save THE city from itself. I also remember 9-11. Perhaps these people need a flashback to all these times. I hoped they'd have learned their lessons. Unfortunately, I was wrong. Once I finish law school, in Ohio no less, I'll return home and see if I can make a difference. Till then, I'll continue to enjoy to read your blog and others like it and hope for the future. We must remain optimistic. After all, we are in the majority, even if it doesn't seem like it at times, Thanks. Posted by: NJRob on November 9, 2004 09:32 PM
That's bupkis Ace, not bubkis. Posted by: Ron on November 9, 2004 10:31 PM
Californian here. Although I now live in the more centrist central valley, I grew up in the Bay Area. Believe me, San Francisco is so liberal it makes NYC look moderate. Those of you surrounded by commie-libs, remember that there a lot more conservatives than you think. I'm sure you've all noticed that libs think nothing of loudly proclaiming how stupid Bush is, or what hicks red-staters are, or how ignorant you must be if you love your country. The conservatives are the ones in the group that politely nod and change the subject. The libs just (wrongly) take it for granted that everyone agrees with them. Posted by: Bald Eagle on November 10, 2004 03:33 AM
NYC ain't that bad, if you know where to go. I mean, some of the National Review folks live here. I happen to work in the financial industry in midtown, and there's a healthy contingent on both sides. It's funny to see it break down by profession and age. We have a good time making fun of each other when the other guy's down. However, I'm not from here originally. I grew up Roman Catholic in the Bible Belt South, and had a Yankee ma. I'm used to being misunderstood, and very used to being disagreed with. NYC is just more of the same to me, with the flavor being a little different. It's not the universal disagreement that bugs me, but the condescension from people who think they're more enlightened than the rest of us (even those who agree with them). Makes ya want to punch them. Posted by: meep on November 10, 2004 06:38 AM
Well, I'll take a liberal who can face reality anyday over small-minded people who vote in a president that lies. Falluja sure looks like MAJOR COMBAT to me. How much did it co$t the taxpayers to have Bush fly in on that aircraft carrier anyway? That photo op shouldn't have been paid for by taxpayers. It did nothing to boost the morale of those who foot his bill. Posted by: RationalRose on November 10, 2004 07:03 AM
The truth is that not only New Yorkers, but all liberals, long for the days of David Dinkins. They can't wait to be reinfested with hookers, porn and heroin addicts. This, for some twisted reason, makes them feel good about their own perversions. However, they cannot seem to grasp that the rest of us, yes, even those of us who live in blue states, no longer want our mandates to come from perverts and sneering Eurotrash. Posted by: Sailor Kenshin on November 10, 2004 08:20 AM
Liberals know their beliefs are not "yet" accepted by most of the unwashed masses, but believe they soon shall be. They believe they alone were responsible for the 8 hour workday, social security, a clean enviroment, and civil rights. Despite the fact that all of this would have happened anyway without them, it is an article of Faith among Liberals that THEY are responsible for moving us along the path of evoloution toward more "social justice" and a more "enlightened" world. Actually, they merely radicalized these causes after they already were well accepted ideas, and morphed them into tools to be used for their political gain. And despite the terrible consequences that are with us today, deep down Liberals believe nothing good would have happened in the last 100 years without them. Though they know their ideas are "not quite completely" accepted "yet" by the mainstream today, they believe that since any sentient being can see their ideas are so superior, they will catch on very soon, unless they are temporarily held up by the regressive forces of those who still believe in witches. As John Travolta portraying Bill Clinton said in the movie "Primary Colors" "our ideas are better than their ideas." THIS is why they feel they have a right, indeed a responsibility, to rule the rest of us. So, actually they do know that they are not mainstream but believe that since they are always ahead of human evoloution, it is only a matter of time before the rest of us catch up. And the more they keep portraying themselves as mainstream, the more they can marginalize the opposition and the quicker it'll actually happen, whether the unwashed masses like it or not. Amazing, isn't it? Posted by: 72VIRGINS on November 10, 2004 10:39 AM
Uh, Jimmy? San Diego's more "blue" than San Francisco? Wow, you guys *do* have your work cut out for you. Posted by: Mike Koenecke on November 10, 2004 11:40 AM
How many times can the aircraft thing be brought up? How many times do you have to explain two things about the mission accomplished sign: 1) Those on the ship had accomplished their mission 2) Major fighting means fighting against a "major" enemy or an enemy that is an organized army? We are fighting against rebels and terrorists now, not an Iraqi army. The Iraqi army is fighting with us now. And I am not sure who you are talking about when you say "small-minded people who vote in a president that lies." Are you talking about those that voted for Clinton? I mean that is little harsh to call them small-minded maybe blinded by spin and faulty economic numbers, but not small-minded (most of them anyway). And it is always funny to hear liberals talk about how the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for things. Can't pay for an aircraft landing but we can pay for people to not work, have abortions, attend crappy failing schools, or any other government pork program. We can pay to have money taken from one tax payer and given to another. Maybe if we had called it by some nice name like "Support America's Kids Program" then all the liberals would have been on board. Posted by: BlueDevils on November 10, 2004 11:53 AM
BlueDevils, just ignore the troll that's unaware the election is over. He/She/It is just proving my point in the original comment that Ace used about the bitter lack of acceptance of reality, and hatred of those who disagree among the Left now. Posted by: hobgoblin on November 10, 2004 12:34 PM
Ron, Okay, thanks for the correction. I guess I'll change it, although "bupkis" doesn't look right to me. Posted by: ace on November 10, 2004 12:59 PM
NJRob, Democrats will abandon their party and (secretly) vote Republican in droves when they are afraid for their personal safety. They talk a good game about poverty and compassion and rehabilitation, but when their own family is actually at risk, the 'law and order' ticket becomes immensely appealing. Somehow, when they are mugged a few times, these super-intellectuals perceive a tenuous linkage between criminals...and Actual Crime. I know, I know...Just take my word for it. You'd have to be nuanced to understand all this highbrow, esoteric stuff. Posted by: lauraw on November 10, 2004 01:29 PM
I can't believe NYC is as bad as the years I lived (worked) in Europe. The Euros would always tell me how ignorant and wrong-minded most Americans were, but how I wasn't like them. Most my American friends in Europe (all mostly conservative as well) told me that they got the same story from the Euros they worked with. Seems like no Euro has ever met an American who is like "most Americans". Posted by: Cowboy is a compliment on November 10, 2004 04:16 PM
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