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October 08, 2004
Missing From Andrew Sullivan's Critiques: "I Was Wrong"In the run-up to the war, there were in fact a number of reasonable, and yet partisan, Democrat war-supporters who advocated for the removal of Saddam Hussein while simultaneously blasting Bush for agitating to do so. They didn't object to Bush's plan to oust Saddam in principle; no, it was always this detail or that they found wanting. They were quite transparent about the fact that they thought war was the right policy and yet, being partisan Democrats, they needed Bush to be wrong in every detail of that policy. They had to slice the salami pretty thin to make the case that Bush lied, and yet people under Saddam died. Andrew Sullivan has of course long since joined the ranks of partisan Democrats against Bush. And he has been particularly blatant about criticising every single aspect of the war -- its justification, its theory, its execution -- without ever really acknowleging any personal fault. He makes a quasi-Kerry case against the war -- not enough trooops, "arrogance," not enough allies, general incompetence -- but he's very careful to avoid any suggestion that he, personally, was wrong about any of this. The argument that "Bush made mistakes in the conduct of the war" only gets one so far. Bush has, of course, made mistakes in conducting the war, which is to be expected and also to be noted for the historical and political records. But the biggest "mistakes" of the war -- and I do think they were mistakes -- were mistakes that Andrew Sullivan is equally guilty of. And yet no clear expression of sorrow for his own mistakes, even while catigating Bush for his failure to apologize. Liberal proponents of the war -- a category which must contain Andrew Sullivan -- were especially keen on the Wilsonian, "people want to be free"/"they will greet us as liberators" type of arguments for the war. Sullivan was especially strident and, to be fair, sometimes quite eloquent addressing this point. Now, the Bush Administration was/is also a big proponent of this neo-Wilsonianism-- and it is certainly fair at this point to wonder about the naivete of the pure Wilsonian position. FWIW, I was also a believer, despite my reservations, in the Wilsonian justification for war; to the extent this justification is wrong, so was I. I'm not certain this position is wrong, although I have to say the evidence thusfar suggests that perhaps it was. But I'll say this: If it does turn out to be wrong, then I personally was wrong, and I can't blame Bush for "misleading" me or for botching the conduct of the war. If the idea that Iraqis actually want to be free, more-or-less democratic citizens of a modern, normal state, and will take steps to make that come to pass, turns out to be a wrong idea, then I was entirely wrong about that assumption. Bush was wrong, yes. Wolfowitz was wrong, certainly. But I was wrong too, independently of either man. I cannot pass off my own error (if it is in fact error) on the "misleading" statements of Bush or the decision to fire the standing Iraqi army. If this key assumption, criticial to the path to success in Iraq, turns out to be wrong, then I turned out to be wrong, too. And, of course, Sullivan would be quite wrong too-- enormously wrong, since so much of his passionate prose was dedicated to the idea that Iraqis craved a better, more decent nation. But note that Sullivan doesn't seem eager to examine this key assumption This assumption was either right or wrong from the get-go; it's hard to argue that some error of Bush's caused this assumption to go from true to false over the course of a year. Sullivan neatly avoids any reconsideration of, or even any discussion of, the areas in which he may be a "failure" in this business. This seems strange. Sullivan is forever praising himself as an "independent," and someone courageous enough to challenge conventional thinking (and suffer the associated "heart-ache," of course). And yet, for all his, ahem, intellectual courage, he seems to conveniently avoid scrutinizing his own possibly-erroneous contributions to the case for war. With all due respect, I suppose it does take some degree of intellectual courage to challenge a like-minded partisan. It takes very little courage at all to challenge someone to whom you're strongly politically opposed (as Sullivan is strongly politically opposed to Bush, and has been for some time). The real test of intellectual courage and intellectual honesty is to unflinchingly examine one's own failings. One cannot simply attack a political opponents in a conveniently-partisan manner and be considered a serious and thoughtful analysis; if one could, I'd be considered such a serious thinker, which I'm not. One of these days Andrew Sullivan will examine his own error in making the case for Saddam's possession of, and desire to use, WMD's; of the various claims that the Iraq War would be just as easy as the Gulf War (or Afghanistan); of the belief that he great majority of Iraqis would not only welcome a regime change (even a violent one) but would gladly take up arms side by side with our troops in order to accomplish it. But until he says three simple words -- "I was wrong" -- I think it's entirely appropriate to dismiss him as a partisan hack on this issue, no more serious about analyzing what went wrong in the war than Howard Dean. Or, for that matter, John Kerry.
posted by Ace at 09:24 AM
Comments> If the idea that Iraqis actually want to be free, more-or-less democratic citizens of a modern, normal state, and will take steps to make that come to pass, turns out to be a wrong idea Is there a lot of evidence to suggest that this was probably a wrong idea? My impression was that the unrest in Iraq is limited to a few specific areas, and that the Iraqis have plenty of people willing to serve as policemen and soldiers. But I could just be a dupe of the "Righty Wurlitzer"... Posted by: DimPenumbra on October 8, 2004 10:04 AM
It becomes abundantly clear just how difficult it can be to devise an 'objective' analysis of events when coming from a wholly sphincter-centric world view Posted by: recon on October 8, 2004 10:07 AM
Ace, your entire post was gob-smackingly vile. Posted by: Josh Martin on October 8, 2004 10:22 AM
"to unflinchingly examine one's own failings. " This is something I've noticed. Many on the Left will never acceed to this doctrine. And why should they? They'd turn into a bunch of hand-wringing Republicans who, even when they have the majority, act like a victimized minority. We on the Right are concerned with what is right, whether it agrees with our digestive system or not. It's a Camelot thing, and the Mordreds of our conscience on the Left hold up the hypocricy card as a trump. The Right caves, every time. A world of perfect choices does not exist, and only the Left has learned how to maliciously twist every good thing. Nothing is good enough, no good deed ever solves enough of the problem, no good will ever makes everyone play nice...ad nauseum. You can predict the next line of ever MSM nightly newscast. If it's good, they ALWAYS point out that, while it's good, it's not enough. The Left and the MSM have become the predictable party of IT'S NOT ENOUGH. Their almost cult-like demand for perfection, perfect morality, perfect motives, perfect execution of the details is the most oppressive religion I've ever had to live under. That's saying a lot, being raised in the strict Roman Catholic tradition. I'm through with apologizing for not having perfect answers. I know my own heart, and I'll examine my own conscience. I'm just going to do my best, make my best choices, take my best shot, and live with the consequences and responsibility. It won't be perfect, but it'll be free. Posted by: Joan of Argghh! on October 8, 2004 10:36 AM
Sulllivan is a truly sad creature...his existance seems to be centered on one lifestyle issue. What a waste of talent. I removed his bookmark many months ago. Posted by: The Old Coot on October 8, 2004 11:10 AM
But, but, but - that's the very definition of nuance - never having to say you're wrong, or sorry! Posted by: Rocketeer on October 8, 2004 11:26 AM
Ace - don't doubt the "neo-Wilsonian" argument (scare quotes, not quote quotes) - freedom is always the right answer, people do always yearn for it. There have been problems with the implementation of the war in Iraq - always will be, I guess. Bremer's original statement, now kinda sorted retracted/re-explained, is more in line with Sullivan's critique - see, even Bremer says there weren't enough troops. However, it misses the inter-agency blame game that is going on. Bremer nominally worked for DoD but is a creature of State. I know a lot of soldier types who think Bremer and the CPA didn't know what the hell they were doing. So Bremer says he doesn't have this big trophy because someone else screwed the pooch. And the DoD guys say the same thing. But the blame game is indicative of the fact that Iraq is not a huge, inarguable success. If it were, then they'd both be trying to take credit, instead of shift blame. However, that it isn't a huge, inarguable success is not a sign that its a failure, or a sign that it won't in the future be viewed as such a success. Remember, Kerry in the debate the other night was prding himself on being in the mold of Ronald Reagan in Latin America, for Chrissakes! Certainly that isn't where he was when he was elected to the Senate in 1984. But it is where he is, 20 years later. Remember, everyone is an anti-Communist now. Posted by: blaster on October 8, 2004 12:03 PM
Good post. It strikes me that, at least on the WMD issue, I was wrong. Based on the evidence I saw, I believed in stockpiles. I do not believe I was lied to, any more than I believe that I lied when I talked to others about my beliefs. Posted by: blakjack on October 8, 2004 01:28 PM
What amazes me is the Eurocentrism (or perhaps racism) of the Left in this matter. It's like they're saying the rest of the world isn't good enough for democracy. Yet, that argument would've been made about Japan in 1942 (to select a random year) and has proven false. Isn't it funny that the Right claims not to care a whit about race and even its foreign policy reflects that fact? The left? Not so much. Of course, I question whether continental Europe is ready for democracy. So far they've not been able to get past socialism. Perhaps Mr. Sullivan will explain that to me. Posted by: Birkel on October 8, 2004 01:34 PM
Here's a statement I'd like to see Bush make about WMDs and Iraq, and completely turn it around on Kerry: "The WMDs that the world intelligence agencies expected to find in Iraq are not there. But the millions of refugees, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian casualties, tens of thousands of American and coalition partner casualties that many predicted have not been there either. The naysayers were wrong before the war, and they are still wrong. They painted horrorific visions of Iraq then, and they continue today. They have always assumed the worst about America, our intentions and our abilities; and they are still wrong today. Cynicism and pessimism are not strategies for success. My critics tried to mislead the American public before the war about what would happen if we invaded, and my opponents are trying to mislead the American public about what is happening on the ground today. [Insert any number of anecdotes about the upcoming elections, rebuilding infrastructure, etc. here] Given the choice between believing in what America is capable of and believing the worst, I will choose in believing in our brave soldiers and the strength of America every time. It's too bad my opponents are unwilling to do the same." Posted by: Jim B on October 8, 2004 01:56 PM
Liberal proponents of the war -- a category which must contain Andrew Sullivan Andrew Sullivan touts a pro-abortion, anti-tax cuts, anti-defense sock puppet of Ted "Water Wings" Kennedy as being "more genuinely conservative than George W. Bush," in the course of his increasingly intellectually dishonest ravings. At this point, "AndrewSullivan.com" is no longer a political blog; it's a fan fiction site. Posted by: Kent on October 8, 2004 04:25 PM
I was wrong. Posted by: Andrew Sullivan on October 10, 2004 10:09 PM
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