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August 28, 2004

Any Military Officers/Sergeants Want to Answer a Question, Either On Background or For Attribution?

I'm trying to do some genuine reportial work. If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.

Basically, I'd like to speak with anyone who has direct, first-hand knowlege about how after-action reports are written-- my first preference is for those who've actually written them; my second preference is for those who haven't written them, but have been interviewed/debriefed by the person who ended up writing them.

Specifically, I'd like to know if (as I assume) the person writing the report canvasses the whole unit for what each man saw, and then writes that up, or if the writer can only report what he personally, first-hand, witnessed.

If you know, and you'd like to help out, email me at aceofspadeshq@yahoo.com. I don't necessarily have to use your name or otherwise identify you; if you want to just fill me in on background, that's cool. But I'd like to have at least a couple of people willing to report for attribution.

If you know someone who might know, and you think that person wouldn't mind answering a few brief questions, please let me know you have a possible contact.

I should warn that this of course concerns the SwiftVets story, so anyone stepping forward is actually opening himself to attack by Kerry supporters (i.e., the entirety of the mainstream media).

Oh, and I also have to say that I need some way of checking your bona fides. I don't want to be spoofed by "someone willing to help" who turns out to be a Kerry supporter spinning fables in order to discredit me.


posted by Ace at 02:09 PM
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Go to the SwiftVets site and access their discussion boards. Look for a contributor named Navy Chief. I believe his wife is a moderator with the name Navy_Navy_Navy. He recently shredded the after-action report for March 13 and forwarded his analysis to Michael Dobbs. Dobbs contacted him for more info. If Dobbs flubs it, perhaps you'll be able to tell the truth.

Posted by: Leslie on August 28, 2004 05:48 PM

Here's the url for the letter sent to Michael Dobbs:

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4331&highlight=

Posted by: Leslie on August 28, 2004 06:13 PM

Ace,

Ensure you get someone who knows how Navy small unit after action reports were written in Vietnam. There are different ways to do it, and different methods.

Posted by: Chap on August 28, 2004 07:07 PM

Ace-
Why don't you pop on over to http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com, it is run by a former Navy SEAL who might be able to put you in touch with someone.

Posted by: James T on August 28, 2004 07:17 PM

Ace, if you break a big one here, do you think you can stay anonymous?

Posted by: See-Dubya on August 28, 2004 09:03 PM

Did a year in Iraq with the 101st Airborne, lots of patrol work. The way we did it was the squad leader (usually a staff sergeant, E6), filled in a preprinted form when we came back to the base camp. If it was a particularly lively day when they needed more info logged, the platoon leader would sit the SL down and go in more depth.

The Swifties had an officer on each boat, which of course allows junior officers on scene to screw things up. We left ours back at the base as watch officers. I think we had a better system.

Posted by: Dan on August 28, 2004 09:24 PM

Well, this may not be 100 percent relevant to modern practice, but in the Civil War higher command would have the reports of subordinate commanders available when writing their report and could request that reports be written by particular commanders to clarify situations. This is in the spirit of your 'canvassing' for information that was not in view of the particular general.

In fact, in one case I know of, General Lee refused a report from a subordinate and made it be rewritten. It was Pickett's report after Gettysburg, and Lee did not like the tone of the report.

Since reports were parially history/explanation and partially a way to enhance promotion prospects for junior officers, requiring a general to report only his personal observations would mean the commander could virtually never mention his subordinates, since most of their actions are not within sight.

Posted by: Christopher Smith on August 28, 2004 10:28 PM

Thanks, all. I 'll follow up on those leads.

Well, not the Civil War one. Interesting, yes, suggestive, certainly, but I don't think anyone's going to be persuaded by a General Lee citation.

But still, thanks.

Posted by: ace on August 29, 2004 02:14 AM

PS, I wasn't trying to be insulting, Christopher. I was trying to be funny, but I think maybe I failed at signaling that.

Again, the Civil War thing is interesting and suggests to me I'm on the right track, but obviously, it wouldn't stand up in court.

Posted by: ace on August 29, 2004 02:28 AM

Hey ace, remember: not much stands up in court once you put a few beers into it. :-)

Posted by: The Black Republican on August 29, 2004 12:24 PM

this is a pretty good link describing the after action review which is the process that generates the information used when preparing the after action report
http://ppt.armystudyguide.com/leadership/33.htm

and an example of a good AAR; http://cgsc.leavenworth.army.mil/carl/download/csipubs/chamberlain.pdf

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