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« "The Mother of All Backlashes" | Main | Two Updates: Oliver "Grimmace" Willis and John Forbes Kerry's Silver Star »
August 20, 2004

Poll: SwiftVets Swing Swing-Voters

Just mentioned on Brit Hume: A new Annenberg poll (no link; maybe not published on the Internet yet) says that 44% of Independents who've seen the first ad find it believable or very believable.


posted by Ace at 07:14 PM
Comments



Another stat mentioned on Special Report was that the Vet vote has swung from 46/46 to 57/37 Bush. That's a huge jump.

Posted by: Clark on August 20, 2004 07:31 PM

Could this be why Kerry's suing the Swiftboat vets? Hmmmmmmmm...................

Posted by: Brian B on August 20, 2004 07:36 PM

He's apparently also suing the book. Censorship!

Posted by: Clark on August 20, 2004 07:39 PM

Well, if you can't refute, suppress. He'd better hope it works, but I have my doubts.

Posted by: Brian B on August 20, 2004 07:49 PM

Kerry should sue himself, then. He's the one accusing veterans of war crimes.

Posted by: Bill Peschel on August 20, 2004 08:12 PM

http://www.readmylipz.com/swiftboat.cfm

There is the study. Very damning.

Posted by: Mahmoud, the Weasel on August 20, 2004 08:40 PM

oh, so this explains the meltdown!

Posted by: kdeweb on August 20, 2004 09:07 PM

When I found out how freaked out Kerry was about Unfit for Command, I ordered a copy on Amazon immediately :)

Posted by: Dave on August 20, 2004 09:13 PM

Just now on Hannity & Colmes they had footage of some sort of ceremony in the nineties were two of the Swifties (who are in the new ad) were praising Kerry's service. Didn't look good for the Swifties, but then, I don't know the context. Did anybody else see that?

Posted by: Johnny Walker Red on August 20, 2004 09:20 PM

Johnny,

You can get the backstory here:

http://66.216.126.164/geraghty/geraghty200405060827.asp

Posted by: Golden Boy on August 20, 2004 09:33 PM

Kerry says I'm melting,I,melting, I'll sue.

Posted by: Pat in NC on August 20, 2004 09:46 PM

KERRY LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Swiftsure on August 20, 2004 10:01 PM

really?

Posted by: ace on August 20, 2004 10:03 PM

Kerry just ensured that every news outlet in the country will play the ad.
I wonder how many times the new ad has been viewed.

Posted by: Iblis on August 20, 2004 11:09 PM

Does anyone have anything solid on Kerry's connections to MoveOn.org and/or George Soros? It seems to me that if they want to play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon on Karl Rove and the SwiftVets our guys could find a way to do the same to them. Christ, Michael Moore was sitting in the VIP seats at the DNC and they think Bush needs to condemn a negative ad!

Posted by: JeffK on August 20, 2004 11:28 PM

The irony is that, had Kerry's campaign not tried to crucify John O'neil for all this, the media would've just blown over it and it would've been gone in days.

Now, an ad running in only a handful of states has been played on major media news so many times it may as well be running in every state in the Union.

Way to go Democratic defense engine. Way to go.

Posted by: The Big Fat Lobster on August 20, 2004 11:33 PM

I'm drooling waiting for the new ad like Oliver Willis waiting for a burger.

Posted by: Jane on August 21, 2004 12:34 AM

"The irony is that, had Kerry's campaign not tried to crucify John O'neil for all this, the media would've just blown over it and it would've been gone in days."

Yeah, but the problem was (a) the story had legs and (b) the blogosphere had checked out the Swift Vets on "Christmas in Cambodia" and a few other points (medals for minor wounds/actions) and found them credible, and (c) this was getting enough play in the non-liberal-controlled-media they needed a 'response' ...

they over-reacted. Either reaction or non-reaction draws attention ...

"Does anyone have anything solid on Kerry's connections to MoveOn.org and/or George Soros? "

You mean how George Soros funds MoveOn and alos funds ACT (liberal activism) and funds Barack Obama? You mean how all of these 527s are run out of the same Washington offices, have former Clinton staffers (Harold Ickes) running them, and are explicitly geared to Democratic victory - so much so, they really *are* the Democratic party today?
http://www.hillnews.com/news/042004/kerry.aspx
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Media_Fund

The Media Fund is headed by Harold M. Ickes, "former deputy White House chief of staff for President Bill Clinton." [3]

"Bill Knapp, who did ads for the Al Gore and Clinton presidential campaigns the past three elections, oversees the advertising operation for the Media Fund."

'NUFF SAID. Some of the Democrat Machine is on the Kerry campaign, some is in these 527s.


Posted by: on August 21, 2004 01:03 AM

George Soros and the Kerry's are very good friends. They even own vacation homes next to each other in Sun Valley.

Posted by: Nahanni on August 21, 2004 01:20 AM

link

[link edited by ace to deal with sidebar bloat]

Posted by: joey on August 21, 2004 01:42 AM

http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/011434.html

Amid suspicion of improper relations between the Kerry Campaign and the Democratic grass roots giant MoveOn.org, the Kerry campaign has employed Nick Exley, former MoveOn Special Projects director, to run their online efforts. The Kerry camp claims to have taken precautions to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

Posted by: ed on August 21, 2004 07:27 AM

Leftist or not, you have to love the media sometimes.

"Look, just LOOK at this ad. It's terrible isn't it."
--"Yes, I agree, its awful, unfair, below the belt tripe. Let's see it again."

"Wow, it doesn't get any better the more I see it. Roll that clip one more time. Wow, what a bunch of scumbags."
--"Yep. That part where the....yeah right there, I'd say that was just the worst part."

There's a commie that comes on talk radio after Rush in my local area. He was saying the most hilarious things about the second ad. He basically said those vets were beneath contempt, sons of goats and monkeys and should be flayed alive and dipped in vinegar. I think a normal listener would be curious about his evaluation and want to see the ad, no?

I was laughing, laughing, laughing (this was the same guy who was so crestfallen and confused after the '02 midterm elections).

PANIC much?
As Allah would say, the pants-shitting has commenced full apace.

Posted by: lauraw on August 21, 2004 09:44 AM

Connection? "Zach Exley joins the [Kerry] Internet team as Director of Online Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director of special projects for the MoveOn.org". Naah, he couldn't be co-ordinating between his last job and his current one.

Maybe how Kerry seems to get his talking points from whatever moveon.org attacks start to stick? Naah, I'm sure that's just coincidence.

No connection... Move along, nothing to see here.

Posted by: Robert on August 22, 2004 05:38 AM

You would think some conservative talking heads would pick up on this Exley angle. That sounds like a dynamite way to blunt Kerry's charges of White House coordination with the SwiftVets.

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Funniest thing I've read about the Virginia mess. Back when they were hustling the referendum through the assembly both Senators, Warner and Kaine, advised them to go slow and play by the rules. Louise Lucas said she respected them but didn't need advice from the "cuck chair" in the corner. The gerrymandering was overturned and Louise is heading for the big house. Edward G. Robinson voice "where's your cuck now?"
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"Ahhhhh ahh I put my career on the line for Louise Lucas and Jay Jones thinking they'd vault me into presidential contention and we ended up costing Democrats 20 House seats and unleashing a Reverse Dobbs ahhhhh ahhh"
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"It's f**king f**ked."
-- reportedly a genuine comment offered by a "senior Labour source"
Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held.
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🚨ED MILIBAND [a Minister in Starmer's government] SAYS KEIR STARMER WILL RESIGN AS PRIME MINISTER

He has reportedly reassured Labour MP's that Starmer will be resigning following the disastrous results tonight

It's over
"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)
No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.

Only a cult does this.
Now they've lost 84%.
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If this continues Labour loses 2,148 seats tonight.

That is much worse than the worst case predictions I’ve seen.

Cataclysmic

Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...
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🚨 BREAKING: Labour have lost 80% of all seats contested as of 2:25 AM.<
br> If this continues, Keir Starmer will be out of office next week.

Reform has surged and projected to pick up between 1700-2100 seats.


Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing.
Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult.
Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending.
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Reform are basically wiping Labour out in the North. It's not a defeat. It's not even a rout. Labour are simply ceasing to exist.


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Tonight’s results are calamitous for Labour. Not just for Keir Starmer's leadership, but for the very future of the party
STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98.
Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years.
Fulton County Georgia just discovered 400 boxes of ballots for Labour
Update: REF +156, LAB -107, CON -45
Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%.
I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens.
REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.
Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs.
Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
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I always thought the gag was original to the comic book, but in fact the "Threat or Menace" headline was a satirical joke about media bias and sensationalism for a long while. The Harvard Lampoon used it in a parody of Life magazine: "Flying Saucers: Threat or Menace?"
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