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August 09, 2004
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RDBrewer explains: The XM307, our new grenade machine gun. Yes, grenade machine gun. It shoots high-explosive airbursting, armor piercing, and training ammunition. The rounds can explode while flying over a target. Accurate up to 2000 meters. More here, including a Quicktime video of the weapon in use. posted by Ace at 10:20 PM
CommentsHoly Fuckin' Frijoles.... Posted by: frinklin on August 9, 2004 11:52 PM
shit like this almost makes me want to stay in...even the new individual rifle (forget the name, but it's an x-something) is awesome. i mean, it's hard to beat the mk19, but i think they've done it. Posted by: francisthegreat on August 10, 2004 12:49 AM
Al-Sadr could use a few rounds of that upside his head. Posted by: mbarek on August 10, 2004 08:50 AM
It has a "Dispersion of Less than 1.5 Mils, One Sigma Radius." I don't even know what the hell that even means, but I guarantee it's fucking amazing! Posted by: george gaskell on August 10, 2004 09:01 AM
I want one for home defense. Posted by: rdbrewer on August 10, 2004 09:15 AM
Is there a single red-blooded American man who could see that picture and NOT click on the video link? Posted by: GE on August 10, 2004 09:37 AM
Is that an XM307 in your pants or are you just glad to see me? Posted by: Senator PhilABuster on August 10, 2004 10:06 AM
Am I the only one who'd love to see Hussein executed by a firing squad of those bad boys? Posted by: zetetic on August 10, 2004 10:34 AM
I want one! I want one! Holy f'ing shite that's cool! Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic on August 10, 2004 11:00 AM
Think that will take care of my mom's woodchuck problem? Posted by: lauraw on August 10, 2004 11:22 AM
Is this the weapon that started life as the OCSW? If so, all I can say is, "Dear Santa,"!!!! Oh, and francisthegreat, I believe the we4apon YOU are referring to is the OICW. If this thing IS the OCSW, it fires the same grenade as the GL portion of the OICW. Only faster. Posted by: Brian B on August 10, 2004 11:40 AM
I love the fact that, in the video, the shooter is just sitting there, looking at his little view screen, not bothered at all, not stressed or strained in the least, just pounding away. It's like he could be firing one of those carnival bean-bag guns at a row of milk bottles with clown faces painted on them. "Ho, hum look at me -- I'm firing armor-piercing grenades with a dispersion pattern of less than 1.5 mils, one sigma radius. All in a day's work. Yawn." Posted by: george gaskell on August 10, 2004 11:41 AM
This thing was actually developed as part of the OICW program, to fire the same ammunition as the grenade launcher part. The Army was unsatisfied with the lethality of the 20mm ammunition of the OICW, hence the move both here and in the Army's new shoulder fired grenade launcher to 25mm ammunition. And yes, the XM-8 is going to be bitchin, especially if we get smart, tell NATO to stuff it, and switch to 6.8mm Grendel. Posted by: Mr. Bowen on August 10, 2004 11:46 AM
Thanks Mr. Bowen, for the clarification. I knew it looked a lot like the OCSW, didn't know they'd upped the caliber of the ammo. Posted by: Brian B on August 10, 2004 11:58 AM
Not disagreeing at all, just want to figure out whether francisthegreat is talking about the XM29 (OICW) or the XM8 (lightweight assault rifle). My understanding is the XM8 is almost through pre-production and is going to start getting issued soon (fy05). http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m8-oicw.htm The XM29 has still not gotten out of the testing phase (too bulky, too many fragile electronics, etc). But that's the rifle with the integrated grenade launcher that has programmable airbursts http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m29-oicw.htm scroll down for pics in both instances Posted by: hobgoblin on August 10, 2004 12:05 PM
Speaking of the XM-8, see videos. http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?s=1-292925-xm8.php Posted by: gibs. on August 10, 2004 12:06 PM
I hate fucking quick time! Posted by: Greg on August 10, 2004 12:09 PM
In searching for an article about this weapon, I found an email correspondence from some defense-news publication in which it was stated that the OICW was effectively dead as a weapons program. Too bulky, too many fragile electronics (as stated), plus: -- the grenades it fired were too small to be effective -- they could never apparently get the precision airburst feature to work, which is the weapon's big new feature-- you could, in theory, set the precise distance/moment at which the grenade detonated, allowing you to fire past a wall an enemy was hiding behind, but with the grenade blowing up just as it passed the wall, thus injuring or killing the soldier despite his having cover and you not having line-of-sight to the target -- there was an unconfirmed report of the grenade blowing up inside the barrel of the weapon Posted by: ace on August 10, 2004 12:11 PM
By the way, the grenades the OICW fired were 20mm. They've experimented with 25mm. Also apparently the ergonomics of the weapon weren't good. The weapon had the grenade launcher above the carbine barrel, rather than below, which is the customary way to do it. They say they're trying to work on the grenade-firing part of the weapon as a separate weapon, which seems to make more sense to me. Posted by: ace on August 10, 2004 12:16 PM
Well, ace, I donated to the site. So I'm not shy about noting that my birthday comes around within three months, and this featured item would be a cherished, well-received gift. Hint. Hint. Cordially... Posted by: Rick on August 10, 2004 12:29 PM
Yep, the OICW is dead in the water at the moment. The 20mm isn't lethal enough, and the 25mm is too damn heavy for a combined weapon. There will be a shoulder fired semi-automatic clip fed 25mm grenade launcher in the XM-8's stable. Now you will excuse me whilst I go towel off my extremities. Posted by: Mr. Bowen on August 10, 2004 12:58 PM
Fox News/Fox Magazine had a "block" devoted to all the new weapons systems with infrantry and armor focus. Todd Conner trigger pulled the XM8 full auto, turned, grinning like a jack ass eating barbed wire,and I heard, "Eat your fu*king hearts out shitsticks." Was then distracted by Laurie Dhue. Posted by: Mr Bad Example on August 10, 2004 03:29 PM
oops missed the conversation...all i know about this is from an old stars and stripes article anyway, most of the folks here know more about this than i. i hadn't realized the precision airburst weapon had been scrapped. but i'm still excited about the xm8 and the variants. Posted by: francisthegreat on August 10, 2004 04:30 PM
I can't WAIT to see one of these on the range. Posted by: Dave in Texas on August 10, 2004 09:22 PM
Barrett has developed an individual weapon based on the same 25mm (.98 caliber) grenade. I'm in no shape to hump the thing from my car to the range, and the recoil exceeds the Army's procurement limits, but there are situations where it would surely make a difference. Posted by: triticale on August 11, 2004 03:06 PM
Have they come out with the civilian version yet? You know, for home defense? Seriously, that is one cool looking machine. Posted by: RP on August 13, 2004 10:51 AM
Take THAT, you wascally wabbit!!! HEH HEH HEH Posted by: freddfish on August 14, 2004 09:15 AM
Ah'm from tha South! Ah Lahk ta mastur...mastur... beat off lookin' at guns! Jarge Dubya Bush is mah hero! I divorced mah toothless wife and married an M-16!!! 5.56mm, she's a perfect fit! Posted by: Nick on February 7, 2005 11:27 PM
Just think of the XM307 attached to a foolproof robot! What next? How bout a "lill nuke shooter"? Post a comment
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Funniest thing I've read about the Virginia mess. Back when they were hustling the referendum through the assembly both Senators, Warner and Kaine, advised them to go slow and play by the rules. Louise Lucas said she respected them but didn't need advice from the "cuck chair" in the corner. The gerrymandering was overturned and Louise is heading for the big house. Edward G. Robinson voice "where's your cuck now?" I posted his post on twitter and it's gotten 25K views so far. Thanks, Smell the Glove Chris
Forgotten 80s Mystery Click That Sums Up the Democrat Communist Party Today
Something is wrong as I hold you near Somebody else holds your heart, yeah You turn to me with your icy tears And then it's raining, feels like it's raining
"It's f**king f**ked."
-- reportedly a genuine comment offered by a "senior Labour source" Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held. Basil the Great
"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)
No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.
Only a cult does this.
Now they've lost 84%.
Annunziata Rees-Mogg Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...
The British Patriot Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing. Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult. Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending. (((Dan Hodges))) Nick Lowles
STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98. Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years. Fulton County Georgia just discovered 400 boxes of ballots for Labour Update: REF +156, LAB -107, CON -45 Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%. I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens. REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.
Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs. Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
Media bias and senationalism are as old as, well, the media:
![]() That was written by Denny O'Neill and illustrated by, get this, Frank Miller. Editor to the Stars Jim Shooter was in charge at the time. I always thought the gag was original to the comic book, but in fact the "Threat or Menace" headline was a satirical joke about media bias and sensationalism for a long while. The Harvard Lampoon used it in a parody of Life magazine: "Flying Saucers: Threat or Menace?"
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