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August 09, 2004

Who's Being Divisive?

A brief idea, but I think it's an important one.

One of the most common charges leveled by liberals against Bush is that he has "divided" the country after 9-11. According to this argument, the country was "united" immediately after 9-11 (in fact, they say the whole world was united as well, but let's put that aside for now), but that Bush's Krazy Kowboy Konservatism has undone that unity.

For this theory to make sense, it needs to be the case that an "original understanding" was forged in the aftermath of 9-11, from which Bush and the conservatives, rather than the liberals, walked away. For the argument to be valid, it needs to be true that after 9-11 we reached some Grand Compromise that liberals have remained true to, but which conservatives have betrayed.

Is that true?

After 9-11, did the nation forge an "original understanding" that was fairly liberal, fairly conservative, or a good compromise of both?

After 9-11, did the nation rally around cherished liberal notions such as strong-form, if not absolute, enforcement of civil rights restrictions on law-enforcement activities or passivity, deference, and negotitation as our primary foreign-policy tools?

Was that the deal this national collectively struck in that horrible week after the disaster, with bodies still cooking in the ground, which Bush has betrayed by his subsequent actions?

That doesn't jibe very well with my recollection. I remember one reporter or liberal after another announcing that "we all now understood" that the passivity and "carefully calibrated counter-attacks" of the Clinton years would have to be discarded. I remember Howard Finemann saying specifically on Hardball that the ACLU and Muslim advocacy groups "understood" that there would have to be more aggressive, and sometimes more intrusive, law-enforcement scrutiny of potential Muslim terrorists, and that racial profiling was definitely on the table as a possibility at the very least.

In short, I remember the liberals crossing the ideological aisle to agree with, and acquiesce to, conservatives. I don't remember conservatives becoming more liberal in order to achieve a compromise. My memory is that liberals became hawkish on both law-enforcement and foreign policy -- or at least posed as being such -- and thus joined with conservatives, who had as rule been hawkish on both for years.

We did reach an Original Understanding, all right -- one that was almost completely conservative in outlook.

We did not come to an understanding that was more liberal. Nor even somewhat liberal. We came to an understanding that was decidedly conservative -- even arguably authoritatrian and belligerent in some respects -- in those seminal weeks and months.

Since those early weeks and months, we have seen liberals become increasingly dovish in their anti-war impulses, and increasingly strident in their demands that we be more "sensitive" as regards civil rights in combating terrorism inside the US.

So: Who walked away from that Grand Original Understanding we all forged after 9-11?

It is the liberals who have reconsidered; it is the liberals who have decided that their immediate reaction was too driven by emotion, anger, and fear; it is the liberals who have walked back the cat from their post-9/11 acceptance of a conservative -- yes, conservative -- law-enforcement policy and foreign policy.

Now, they have the right to reconsider. If they now think that they overestimated the danger posed by terrorism, or if they now think that such dangers are not as great as the danger posed by overagressive law enforcement or military action, they have the right to retract their original acquiesence in the post-9/11 Original Understanding.

But they do not have the right to lie about who, precisely, is splitting away from whom. They are splitting away from that Original Understanding. Conservatives are merely honoring it.

They have decided to "divide the country" by walking away from the original understanding. They may have reconsidered, they may have reevaluated, they may have repriortized, but they cannot blame Bush for merely holding to the original understanding we nearly universally embraced after 9-11.

Is Bush to be blamed because he has committed the great sin of not following the liberals in their, ahem, evolutions of thinking on these issues? Is it the conservatives' fault that we have, surprisingly enough, failed to become more liberal after 9-11 than we were before, simply because the liberals began reverting to form scant months after the greatest attack on this country in our history?

It is the right of liberals to "divide the country" by taking a contrary position. These are, in fact, divisive issues, and the interests of unity does not demand they remain silent when they dissent with the government.

But honesty does demand that they forthrightly admit that it is they who are "dividing the country," because it is they who abandoned the understanding reached after 9-11.


posted by Ace at 03:31 PM
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Ummm...Roger Daltry? Nah..I bet's it's that punk-ass bitch Pete Townsend.

Posted by: Senator PhilABuster on August 9, 2004 03:39 PM

No, it's Randy Bachman.

Posted by: Smack on August 9, 2004 04:26 PM

Aww, Ace went and added a story to the headline...

Posted by: Smack on August 9, 2004 04:28 PM

Goddamn Ace, you go girl *snap snap snap*.

Posted by: mcgurk on August 9, 2004 06:10 PM

Yes ... very true. They seemed to have snapped back (after 9/11) to their "Gore-was-robbed" lunacy, and then some. With added nuance.

Posted by: Carin on August 9, 2004 07:26 PM

You get the prize for orignal thinking, Ace. I haven't seen anyone else going after this on this angle. Moreover, you are 100% correct. Day-uhm!

Posted by: Joan of Argghh! on August 9, 2004 08:08 PM

As for the Democrats in the Senate it was all bullshit. Remember the Senate Judiciary memos leaked to the Wall Street Journal?

Setting the Agenda Describing a forthcoming meeting with the groups, a November 2001 memo to Durbin notes that “the primary focus will be on identifying the most controversial and/or vulnerable judicial nominees. The groups would like to postpone action on these nominees until next year, when (presumably) the public will be more tolerant of partisan dissent.” A follow-on November 2001 memo to Durbin describes the results of the meeting: “the groups advocated for some procedural rules. These include:

(1) only one hearing per month; (2) no more than three judges per hearing; (3) giving Committee Democrats and the public more advance notice of scheduled nominees; (4) a commitment that nominees voted down in Committee will not get a floor vote.” Also, with regard to identifying “controversial and/or vulnerable” nominees, the memo notes that “the groups singled out three – Jeffrey Sutton (6th Circuit); Priscilla Owen (5th Circuit); and Caroline Kuhl (9th Circuit) – as a potential nominee for a contentious hearing early next year, with an eye to voting him or her down in Committee.


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Posted by: ter0 on August 9, 2004 08:19 PM

Very nice work!

Posted by: madmark on August 9, 2004 08:29 PM

Mr Ace: I would assume that you would get more feefback if you would enable pop-up comments or roll-down comments......

Posted by: Mudfish Billie on August 9, 2004 09:24 PM

Check out the "update" at the bottom of my most recent post; I make exactly the same observation ...

Posted by: Professor Chaos on August 9, 2004 10:12 PM

Regrettably, I think it was mostly BS too. Certainly that of our friends across the Atlantic (with notable and appreciated exceptions).

I would call it 1) a response that says "well ok, now you've felt the stab too, sad, but how does it feel? and 2) the politics of feeling. I feel bad right now, but I'll get over it.

They will be back. When the next attack succeeds. Remember what they did when the pain subsided.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on August 9, 2004 10:16 PM

Brilliant.

Posted by: Beck on August 10, 2004 12:19 PM

IIRC, the "Original Understanding" lasted up until the Homeland Security bill came up. That's when the trouble started: Republicans wanted it lean and mean, Democrats wanted to sop to the Government Employees Unions. It became an election issue, and as they saying goes, it's been downhill from there.

Posted by: Thief on August 10, 2004 12:23 PM

Ace, that is a great post and I think you're dead-spot-on in your analysis.

Another charge the left makes is that Bush "squandered" the sympathy the Europeans had for us after 9/11. The charge that he has since alienated them.

Rubbish. This misses their reaction entirely.

Much of the world was perfectly happy in "symathizing" with the powerful US that had been humbled(in their mind) by the attacks. As long as it was a US in need they were happy to offer condolences.

But woe be it to a US that actually dared to do something serious about the attacks. They are powerless to respond seriously to terrorist attacks(weak militaries) and so want us to act like they would. The French in particular, epitomize the position of a one-time world power now in decline; if they can't lead then noone else can either.

Posted by: Redhunter on August 10, 2004 01:42 PM

There never was an understanding, only the appearence of one. The Left never signed on, they just hid their distaste for a dynamic American policy. They knew they couldn't sell their fearmongering until the anger subsided.

Kerry and the Democrats feel that enough people have relaxed that they can say what they felt all along; a weak America is a good thing.

Posted by: Ken Hahn on August 10, 2004 04:37 PM

I agree.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos on August 10, 2004 04:50 PM

Me, too.

But rhetorically, they claimed to agree with conservatives. The fact that they're now reverting to form is their own doing.

Posted by: ace on August 10, 2004 04:51 PM

I think most Liberals have a bad case of buyer's remorse. Not congresscritters, but man-on-the-street-liberals. They thought they were buying Conservatism Lite and didn't realize they were purchasing the whole package. As long as we remained downtrodden victims, we could all be conservatives.

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