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June 04, 2004

German Report: Taliban Offered to Extradite OBL... to Clinton

Offer was made "about a year" before the September 11 attacks:

ZDF reported that American and Taliban officials met secretly in Frankfurt in November 2000 to discuss deporting bin Laden long before his al Qaeda terrorist network successfully hijacked airliners and crashed them into New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington in 2001.

The television documentary, which aired Thursday evening in Germany, said the Afghan-American businessman Kabir Mohabbat tried to broker a deal between the U.S. government and the hard-line Islamic Taliban. Mohabbat quoted the Taliban foreign minister, Mullah Wakil Ahmed Mutawakil, as saying: "You can have him whenever the Americans are ready. Name us a country and we will extradite him."

Ever notice that when the media is reporting on something that is potentially damaging to Clinton, they get very vague about the administration the event occurred under? They can never bring themselves to say "Clinton." The best they can do is provide a vague date that allows you to figure out who was the President at the time.

I can't help but think they're hoping readers don't bother doing the math themselves.

I've seen this dozens of times. Hell, I've even seen them misidentify the President during 1999 or 2000 as George Bush in their rush to pin something on the current administration. Anyone remember that story? Let me know in the comments if you do. I know Instapundit covered it.

Ooooh! Here's another recent example! Here's the MSNBC story regarding a walk-in tipping the US to a planned Al Qaeda jet attack, a year before 9-11. The walk-in was disbelieved, and no action was taken on his tip.

Now: Go to the top of the article and search for "Clinton."

Who was President when this occurred? Who knows? It's a mystery. A stone-cold whodunnit.

Maybe it was Clinton. Maybe it was Bush. It's hard to say, and really, why should we get all hung up on "basic facts" anyway? Let's keep our eyes on the bigger picture: George Bush is ruining this country and he caused 9-11.

Ace of Spades Readers are Awesome: Golden Boy remembers the story in which Clinton's failure to follow-up on an offer to extradite OBL is blamed on Bush:

The report revealed that in a previously undisclosed secret diplomatic mission, Saudi Arabia won a commitment from the Taliban to expel bin Laden in 1998. But a clash between the Taliban’s leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, and Saudi officials scuttled the arrangement, and Bush did not follow up.

Bush didn't follow up?

From Austin, Texas?

What the fuck was he supposed to do? Don his famous cowboy garb and "Yeee-haw!" his way into fucking Kabul and lasso hisself some terrorist?

Who knew that the President of the United States had, in 1998, delegated terrorist-lassoin' activities to the governor of Texas?

If that were the case, the media really should have made that clear, as it would have disproved the notion that Bush had "no" foreign policy experience. If a guy has been de-pu-tized by the head American Marshall to take his trusty horse Nugget and his keen-nosed smell-hound Arrow, and then gallop off to foreign capitals to russle hisself up some evil-doers, then I gotta say, I count that as foreign policy experience of some sort.

By the way, MSNBC apparently has corrected their original error. They deleted the reference to Bush not following up.

So, did they say that Clinton did not follow up?

Nope. They said the United States did not follow up.

Odd, that. When they think it's a Bush failure, they personalize the failure. When it turns out to be a Clinton failure, it's a failure of all Americans.

And they once again cagily avoid mention of the man in charge at the time.


posted by Ace at 04:15 PM
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Who needs facts when there's an election to be won!

Posted by: Da Goddess on June 4, 2004 05:08 PM

Ace,
Here's some info on that MSNBC story Instapundit linked: http://www.thatliberalmedia.com/archives/001737.html

Posted by: Golden Boy on June 4, 2004 05:20 PM

Da Goddess,

Precisely. As Howell Raines recently opined, "facts" are not as important as the "truth" that Bush caused 9-11.

Golden,

Awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesomely awesome. Thanks.

Posted by: ace on June 4, 2004 05:41 PM

I find that hard to believe. The saudis came to Afghanistan to ask them to surrender Bin Laden in 1997, they were were denied by Mullah Omar. So the idea the Taliban would offer OBL freely to the US seems rather far-fetched. Unless the Taliban were like, GRATEFUL for the US role in fighting the USSR out of Afghanistan or the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of relief aid to the Afghan people. But they were probably as grateful as OBL was.

Posted by: Moonbat_ONe on June 4, 2004 05:48 PM

The United States also declined the handover of Bin Laden while getting a blow job in the Oval Office.

Posted by: on June 4, 2004 07:18 PM

Hell, I've even seen them misidentify the President during 1999 or 2000 as George Bush in their rush to pin something on the current administration. Anyone remember that story?

NK was just just discussing Enron with GregD re blaming Bush for Enron overcharges that happened in 2000 while Clinton was in office. Read that post et seq.

Posted by: rdbrewer on June 4, 2004 07:50 PM

Actually, the discussion starts here, a few posts earlier, with NK's link to a O-Dub and a CBS video associating Bush with Enron overpricing.

Posted by: rdbrewer on June 4, 2004 07:59 PM

Hey, CNBC changed their post:

"But a clash between the Taliban’s leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, and Saudi officials scuttled the arrangement, and the United States did not follow up."

Classy.

Posted by: McGurk on June 4, 2004 10:31 PM

I saw the United States promoting a book recently.

Posted by: rdbrewer on June 4, 2004 10:41 PM

To get the full effect of the Enron report, you really have to view the CBS video Odub linked.

Two highlights: Opens with a forest fire and Enron executives cackling over it: "Burn, baby, burn!"

No date is ever given for when this occurred but I'd bet money it was June 2000 because California had horrible forest fires then and the power crisis was going then. I doubt they had horrible forest fires in January, February or March (i.e., after Bush took office and when the crisis was winding down).

Bill Clinton is never mentioned in the video, and you know, I really don't blame him for the California power crisis anyway. *But* after playing this footage and then a tape of Enron employees cackling about stealing from grandmothers and how they'll fix prices once Bush is elected, they cut to footage of Bush opposing price regulation.

Like all this happened before the crisis.

It didn't and it couldn't have (the guys couldn't have been talking about what would happen once Bush was elected, if he had already been in office, right?).

Still, CBS tried their best to damn Bush by association. Which is exactly what Odub does as well.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos on June 4, 2004 10:44 PM

All this garbage just to get Kerryt elected. How pitiful they are.
If they can't even get dates roght with who is in the White House, what the hell are they doing at a media outlet. They should join up with MIchael Moore and lie with him in a fakumentary.

Posted by: Stix on June 5, 2004 04:36 PM
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