So what is more useless: global warming folks religiously blaming cold snaps and heat waves on global warming alike, or blaming global warming folks for blaming global warming for cold snaps and heat waves alike, whenever a cold snap happens which contradicts the word "warming" in global warming? I say it's a toss-up, myself.

Can't we blame Pat Robertson?

Good point Dave.

How could they not figure out that the recall code was "PBF?"

"Well ok, but you realize you'll have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."

CraigC:

Coca-Cola

Heh.

Haaaaa. Cool, dude. Did you have that one ready to go?

Actually, it was a toss up between the two.

I was lying in bed, yes I go to bed at 9:30, I have three small kids...leave me alone.

Anyway, I was lying in bed and those two quotes came to me. I had to add them to the post.

I do love that movie.

I have those and many other great clips on my site.

Movies.

Simpsons.

It is how my site originally started almost three years ago.

I only started blogging a year ago.

You forgot the wonderful world of plants, they too, contribute to global warming.
And what are we doing to Mars? Their CO2 ice caps are shrinking.
I wonder when these global warming freaks are gunna realize that the sun is the only thing that has a direct affect on global temperatures. I remember the winter of 2002-03 I think it was, , it was unusually warm. No snow in the northeast until January. Global warming freaks went crazy, but it was simply the sun that was putting out more energy.

Love the clips. How the hell somebody in the "Bad Movie" thread could nominate Dr. Strangleove is beyond me. George C. Scott's performance alone makes that movie a winner.

Wheres AL GORE and the wackos at GREENPEACE to provide the HOT AIR they need?

Yes, because it's impossible for a chaoticsystem to become destabilized. Clearly the whole thing's a farce! Another triumph of conservatism in under 30 seconds. Up next: Schrodinger's cat doesn't make sense!, a proof that quantum physics is made up.

AH, is it rude to ask, what exactly does it mean to be "minus 8"? Is it F or C? Many places in the US are minus 8 F in the winter and it is no big deal. I grew up out west several decades ago and more than once went through winters at minus 30 and 40 F, for a low, on occasion. Doesn't anyone here kinda wonder about such stuff, or is it rude to ask? Has Moscow never really experienced cold weather? Anybody ever read any history here?

Hmmm. I wonder why this hasn't been widely reported in the media...

Russia uses Celsius. However in this case, I think they must be talking Fahrenheit since -8C is only 18F. 18F is cold but not killing cold unless one is running around naked. Even -8F, as has been pointed out, although very very cold, is not an unusual temperature in either the U.S. or Canada. Then again, the French managed to lose 10,000 to the heat a couple of years ago. so anything's possible in Euroland.

And S3 continues withe the wonderful phrases. "chaotic system" is so contradictory I don't know where to begin, and destabilizing chaos is just a redundancy.

Truly, S3, you have a gift.

Those Russians are pussies, if you want to see real cold, you have to come to Minneapolis.

den - I read something about this on yahoo news the other day, and it said the temps were down to -22ºF, a 26-year low. But the main angle of the article was Russia's power infrastructure and the fact that it was facing unprecedented loads. Apparently the system is stable, but operating at capacity.

Last time I gave a link, it failed miserably despite the HTML being correct and the preview showing it worked, but I'll cross my fingers and try again: the Yahoo story.

Actually Mikey, chaotic system has a well defined definition: Any system that is extremely sensitive to initial conditions. Climate is a chaotic system (think butterflies and hurricanes), which is what makes climate model predictions past a few decades as convincing as a John Kerry war story.

You can destabilize a chaotic system, forcing it from one attractor to another. The applicability of that to climate depends strongly on what kind of feedback systems there are, and what modes they act in.

For example look at clouds. Global temperature rises, causes more evaporation in the oceans, puts more water vapor in the atmosphere, so you get more clouds. If those clouds form at high altitude you increase the albedo of the planet, more energy is reflected away, temperature goes down. Negative feedback, climate's stable. If those clouds form at low altitude they act as a blanket, holding in heat (remember water is a much stronger greenhouse gas than CO2), positive feedback, and temperatures go up.

"Those Russians are pussies, if you want to see real cold, you have to come to Minneapolis."

Jake, my in-laws in St. Petersburg ( latitude similar to Juneau, Alaska) said it's been a steady -38 degrees Celsius. It's about 20 degrees below the usual. In a country that can barely feed itself, this sort of stress to the infrastructure is dangerous.

MMDeuce, the climate isn't chaotic. It is systematic. It looks chaotic because we don't know all the factors that take part in it.

You just described the water cycle. It isn't chaos, it is a system.

Chaos, by definition, is the absence of order, of anything systematic. Let's not butcher the language any further.