If he's our boy, we should own up to it. One of the things that turned me Republican was Democrat scandals in the 90's.

I don't know how this will all sort out, it's too boring to pay attention to.

He never gave me any of his dirty, filthy, stinky money. And who is refusing to return it except democrats?

Amazing, an article on Abramoff that isn't a mere zing-gotcha. Not like that guy in the OBL DOA thread who thought he could get us with some witty and appropriate Jack A. posts.

It is still a really boring scandal though. At least McCain and friends bankrupted an entire banking system. What exactly (cause I don't know) did this guy actually do?

Ur spinning ace this story is just ur way of distracting us from the FACT that Bush is EVIL

I sort of semi-disagree with Lowry, in the sense that Abramoff's sins (which look pretty venial to me) are more indicative of a general culture of corruption in Washington that goes back well before the current administration. He was bribing Republicans because they're the ones who are holding the purse strings right now.

Hopefully, the way this mess is handled will show the more significant difference between Republicans and Democrats--i.e., the Republicans will actually do some housecleaning. Marc Rich, Mochtar Riady, and about six other sleazy little Clinton-era scandals make me suspect that the Democrats are less concerned with bribery per se than with who's collecting the bribes.

Abramoff's genius was to get competing tribes to both hire him to do their lobbying.

My will has only been partially appeased with this singular post on the Culture of Corruption. I demand that more posts be created that match my DU talking posts.

Yeah, it does look like Abramoff's a bad guy and there's no way to disown him at this point, but for being a cocksucker he doesn't hold a candle to that fuck Alonzo Mourning. Why no posts about Alonzo Mourning, that cocksucker?

You are fucking right he is your boy so now you can stop with all the morality lectures, not that I paid any attention to them in the first place. Yes the holier than though Party is down here in the mud with the rest of we mere mortals.

Allahpalooza? Seriously?

This is an article in the National Review for Christ sake.

Jason

You are fucking right he is your boy so now you can stop with all the morality lectures not that I paid any attention to them in the first place yes the holier than though Party is down here in the mud with the rest of we mere mortals.

Man, PLV, it must really get on your nerves when anonymous posters write subliterate swill like that and attach your name to it. I guess your constant use of the same tactic is part of your effort to avoid feeling "holier than though."

Beath this around:

In the January 5 White House Press Briefing, Press Secretary Scott McClellan was asked how many times Jack Abramoff visited the White House. McClellan answered, "Well, I indicated yesterday that I think there were some -- a few staff-level meetings."

In fact, the USA Today has reported that just in President Bush's first 10 months, Abramoff and his lobbying team racked up nearly 200 contacts with the new administration "as they pressed for friendly hires at federal agencies and sought to keep the Northern Mariana Islands exempt from the minimum wage and other laws, records show."

Sorry, typo...meant "beat."

It's not a crime to visit the White House, or even meet with staff members. I'd need some pretty heavy proof to believe that Bush had anything immoral going on with lobbying dollars.

So, you'd need some "pretty heavy proof" before you'd believe anything was going on?

Were you as open-minded during the 8 years and 70 million dollars spent as they investigated Clinton's land deal in Arkansas, along with everything else he had ever done over the past 30 years?

Get real.

Only 15 convictions I guess were not enough to justify the WW investigations, including the President's business partner Jim McDougal? Whose wife sat in prison rather than even testify? And four of whom were pardoned along with Marc Rich and some terrorists by your boy Willie?

Oh we're going there.

Oh, give me a break.

15 convictions of who and for what?

70 million dollars of taxpayer money?

Like I said, there's nothing like "objective" discourse.

And by the way, how many of these 15 "criminals" can you name??

"Man, PLV, it must really get on your nerves when anonymous posters write subliterate swill like that and attach your name to it."

I got a big dick for you to suck on fag.