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January 08, 2006

Liberal Joe Klein Thinks Fellow Liberals Are Goofy On NSA

The piece is littered with anti-Bush statements to prove his liberal quals, but he offers some sound advice:

... the Democrats are on thin ice here. Some of the wilder donkeys talked about a possible Bush impeachment after the NSA program was revealed.

The latest version of the absolutely necessary Patriot Act, which updates the laws regulating the war on terrorism and contains civil-liberties improvements over the first edition, was nearly killed by a stampede of Senate Democrats. Most polls indicate that a strong majority of Americans favor the act, and I suspect that a strong majority would favor the NSA program as well, if its details were declassified and made known.

In fact, liberal Democrats are about as far from the American mainstream on these issues as Republicans were when they invaded the privacy of Terri Schiavo's family in the right-to-die case last year.

But there is a difference. National security is a far more important issue, and until the Democrats make clear that they will err on the side of aggressiveness in the war against al-Qaeda, they will probably not regain the majority in Congress or the country.

The piece is titled How To Stay Out Of Power. But I'm not sure they need any further instruction along those lines.

Bonus: Turns out Nancy Pelosi's letter, leaked last week to show her "protest" against the NSA's more aggressive stance, was misleading, and deliberately so.


posted by Ace at 11:44 PM
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"It's all fruit" What are the odds of that little gem getting any airplay?

Posted by: pinky on January 9, 2006 12:35 AM
Some of the wilder donkeys talked about a possible Bush impeachment after the NSA program was revealed.
Dude. 'Some of the wilder donkeys' were talking about a possible impeachment before the NSA program was revealed. 'Some of the wilder donkeys' will still be talking about a Bush impeachment three years into the first term of President Hillary Clinton. The descendants of 'some of the wilder donkeys' will probably still be waiting for the advent of the marvelous impeachment trial over a thousand years from now, like those millenialist evangelical preachers who read Revelations as a literal account of the promised future rather than a screed against Nero from Roman times.
Posted by: alex on January 9, 2006 02:27 AM

Oh, Joe Klein said that? Well then, I guess we can ignore the Congressional Research Service, and dozens and dozens of Constitutional scholars! Not to mention a raft of Republicans.

Whew, that's a relief.

Posted by: tubino on January 9, 2006 07:02 AM

Nancy Pelosi misleading? Tell me it isn't so! Oh whoa is me! What has this world come to when such an icon is misleading? I think Ace is just putting out propaganda, there is no way that Pelosi would ever be misleading.

Posted by: The Real Steve on January 9, 2006 07:38 AM

Cheese and crackers, tubino. You are either the most reading challenged lefty troll around or just obtuse. I'm unsympathetic to either explanation by the way. Watsa matter, the big kids at the lefty sites won't let you play there?

From the 2002 decision by the FISA appellate court, which wrote:

We take for granted that the President does have that authority [to order warrantless surveillance for foreign intelligence gathering purposes], and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power.

The CRS Report actually concluded they didn't have sufficient information for making a conclusive statement.

Whether an NSA activity is permissible under the Fourth Amendment and the statutory scheme outlined above is impossible to determine without an understanding of the specific facts involved and the nature of the President's authorization, which are for the most part classified.

As for the dozens of con scholars you cited, how many are not Democrats? There are Democrat con scholars who say the AQ spying is A-OK as well. So what's your point? If you're saying it's pretty easy to come up with naysayers about anything BushCo does, then I would agree; otherwise, not so much.

Posted by: Laddy on January 9, 2006 09:00 AM

The donkeys are trying to walk on the ice and are falling down instead

Posted by: spurwing plover on January 9, 2006 10:26 AM

It's not really self-defeating, it's quite simply the only chance they have to regain power. After years of screeching and nay-saying, there just isn't any way they can convince Americans that they are in fact serious about national defense.

No one would believe them. Even if one leader (tkae Lieberman for example) were to gut up, and tell it like it is, and convince America he is serious, we'd still say "but the rest of your loony pals aren't, so you can't get it done".

All they have is "bring the opposition down with scandals". That's their only shot.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on January 9, 2006 10:41 AM

Even though he occasionally gets something right, Joe Klein is a mojo-azzole...and still owes me fifteen bucks.

Posted by: TC@LeatherPenguin on January 9, 2006 10:45 AM

Somebody run with this:
In a letter to Bush, Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., said the National Security Act requires the

heads of the various intelligence agencies to keep the entire House and Senate intelligence

committees "fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States."

Pelosi, knew about this. Pelosi knew the entire committee was not informed. Pelosi is a co-conspirator.

Posted by: Duhgee on January 9, 2006 11:15 AM

Former Carter Aide says it all:
Ken Bass, a Carter administration Justice Department official and an expert on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, said the issue of the president's inherent power has remained unresolved for decades.

The White House's analysis of presidential power is consistent with previous administrations, Bass said.

Posted by: Duhgee on January 9, 2006 02:36 PM
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