snicker. I'm sorry, but that last quote is to die for. Stalin-esque love for totalitarianism? That is just precious.

Troll Shelters??

We don't need no freaking troll shelters - send them on over - the water's fine.

You mean we get to do some troll wacking!?!

Its funny, I detected some sort of contempt for Rasmussen on that thread. I guess that they are another GOP front like the NYT's and Bob Woodward.

Sigh, I guess we have to look forward to some blatant crazy wasting in the next 2 days as every post is reduced to "2000KIA, Bush sux" I hope our nation's depleted crazy stores can stand it.

Some people are cursed to re-live their college years over and over and over...

*starts stringing the claymores*

which side towards enemy again? oh yeah,

Hmm, claymores as a christmas tree decoration?
We might bag a fat man for dinner this year kids.

*carving notches*

Pain don't hurt..and I ain't got time to bleed.

Drop twenty; two right; load HEAT and fire for effect!

We picked a good week to increase the Ads.

Hit away, you lefty fuckers.

$$$

Drop twenty; two right; load HEAT and fire for effect!

Monty! For shame! Are there chemicals in those rounds?

Here's an idea: we can post only in AoSHQ code.

1. The guys get shirts.
2. I don't do this for a living.
3. Vinny Falcone owns your worthless goldbricking ass!
4. You're Margaret Cho funny!
5. Some metaphor involving Rosie O'Donnell and wacky t-shirts.
6. Zombies.
7. Val-U-Rite vodka and Thai hookers. (Or is it Vietnamese hookers? I keep forgetting.)
8. Proud Liberal Vet's time on Ice Station Zebra.

And if all that fails, we can go back to our in-depth discussion of the origins and influences of American Protestantism and how they intersect with American Popular Culture in the 21st century.

She said recently of the Pajamas Media bloggers, "They are all Armstrong Williams."

Between that and her grasp of copyright law, we've got ourselves a real intellectual heavyweight here. Tread lightly.

Aw, isn't that sweet.....a "woman" calling people "pussies" (while sitting at her keyboard). The kinda girl you want to take home to mama, to be sure.

More deep thought from the far-left. Makes you wonder why they can no longer win elections, doesn't it?

Monty, they'll think we're insane.

I like it.

Monty, that would be great, but Ace still hasn't sent me the Secret Decoder Ring. I sent in the labels from a dozen bottles of Val-U-Rite, an envelope full of unmarked bills and an old Paul Anka CD.

Should be coming any day now...

TO: ALL AOSHQ FORCES
FROM: GENERAL JACK D. RIPPER, CENTRAL COMMAND

MESSAGE FOLLOWS AS:

1. YOU WILL CONDUCT UNLIMITED VERBAL WARFARE ON ANY IDIOT LEFTIST FUCKWIT RETARDS WHO ENCROACH UPON THIS BLOG.

2. THE OBJECTIVE OF SUCH ACTION WILL BE TO SEND LEFTIST FUCKWIT RETARDS HOME CRYING HOT SNOTTY TEARS OF SHAME.

3. INSULT THEM, BELITTLE THEM, FLAME THEM, DRIVE THEM AWAY.

4. GOOD SHOOTING.

MESSAGE ENDS

That's right General; when trolls come around looking to pollute our precious bodily fluids, we slice like a fuckin' hammer. That's. Just. The. Way. It. Is.

A shooting war sir? Bloody hell.

I suspect you're all a bunch of preverts and you killed general Ripper when he found out about your preversions.

Ace, my RSS feed still says "Warrantless Eavesdropping OK". The title on the blog page is mellower.

The Rasmussen poll question is at best a non-sequitur relative to the debate, which isn't about evesdropping per se (any normal person including myself would answer agree that AQ needs to be agressively surveilled) but about the legality of what President GWBush ordered; aspects of the legal case are still not clear-cut, as Orin Kerr's very interesting continued posts on Volokh show. Rasmussen does good work normally, so "push-poll" was a rather harsh.

Hey! You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Do I look all rancid and clotted? You look at me, Jack. Eh? Look, eh? And I drink a lot of water, you know. I'm what you might call a water man, Jack - that's what I am. And I can swear to you, my boy, swear to you, that there's nothing wrong with my bodily fluids. Not a thing, Jackie.

Lemme see here..... we've got a quart of Val-U-Rite Vodka, a bottle of roofies, "Paul Anka's Greatest Hits" on 8-track, an RPG with armor-piercing and thermobaric rockets, some gamer's dice, a case of ramen noodles, and the cell phone number of a stacked Thai tranny hooker......

SHOOT, A GUY COULD HAVE A PRETTY GOOD WEEKEND IN VEGAS WITH THIS STUFF.

You forgot one AoS approved argument stopper there, Monty:

Racist

Ace: Send out your army of winged monkeys and vanquish this Hamster woman that I've never heard of. Ever. Until now.

I need an arch nemisis.

God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural... fluids. God bless you all

I need an arch nemisis.

Yeah, ace, what the hell? You've got an arch nemesis and you never mention her? I mean, I could understand this if it were a regular nemesis; who gives a shit, am I right? But this is an arch nemesis. I thought we had more than that, ace.

I wish I could quit you.

DogPissLake is definitely one of the sites I often link.

Were I picking an arch-nemesis, I'd definitely want one that looks good in leaather, and has more articulate/competent/interesting minions. Ya gotta set your sights higher, Ace.

Bring it bishes.

You poor, ignorant red state slobs! Root for your failed president then root for him some more... but ask your self this: If he willing to ignore the bills of rights when it comes to spying on Americans, what's to prevent him from taking your guns?? (Not jus' da ones in yer truck--all a' dem!)

Now see - that's exactly what I'm talking about. How about those feministe gals? They're cute and their commenters are way more interesting. They'd make a great leather-clad duo.

If he willing to ignore the bills of rights when it comes to spying on Americans, what's to prevent him from taking your guns?? (Not jus' da ones in yer truck--all a' dem!)

That's not a stupid question, although you asked it in a profoundly stupid way. And I can only respond by saying that we must drink non-fluoridated water. Purity of essence will preserve us. And avoid the physical act of love at all costs -- women will recognize your power, but you must deny them your essence. If you give in, if you weaken, you will feel enervated and deprived of your precious bodily fluids.

Oh, and: bills of rights? Have we added other since I checked last? Or did you pull one directly from your ass, as the the Left often does?

===what's to prevent him from taking your guns??===

Chuck Shumer and Hillary Clinton serving in the minority party. Well, that and knowing that the American public has placed gun control nuts alongside Tom Daschle, Al Gore and John Kerry in the "we don't want you" line of losers.

How did you enjoy YOUR inaugeration party?

Well, boys, I reckon this is it - blog combat toe to toe with the Moonbats. Now look, boys, I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches, but I got a pretty fair idea that something doggone important is goin' on back there. And I got a fair idea the kinda personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin'. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human bein's if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelin's about flamewar combat. I want you to remember one thing, the folks back home is a-countin' on you and by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down. I tell you something else, if this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for ever' last one of you regardless of your race, color or your creed. Now let's get this thing on the hump - we got some postin' to do.

"Drip-along Daffy's the name! Anybody care to shoot it out?
Under western skies?
West of the Pecos?
Tumbleweeds at ten paces?
10,000 head the cattle?
Cut 'em off at the pass?
Perry? Larriets?
Anyone for tennis? Anybody?
Well, reckon I'll have me a little bracer!!"

Mwah-hah-hah-ha!

The person who wrote that isn't Jane Hamster, it's "Heywood J.," and I may be his arch-nemesis, but he's not mine, as I have not a clue who he is.

That was my point-- he can't be my "arch-nemesis," as he says, if I don't know who the eff he is.

Ace's self-proclaimed arch-nemisis (Heywood - I'm not making that up) has his own site:

hammeroftheblogs.blogspot.com

and likes to call President Bush 'Dear Cheerleader'.

Heywood? Heywood? Is his last name Jablome, by any chance?

"we must drink non-fluoridated water. Purity of essence will preserve us. And avoid the physical act of love at all costs -- women will recognize your power, but you must deny them your essence."

Monty - were you just watching that on TCM?

John -- nah. But I've seen it about a hundred times. One of my absolute favorite movies.

This kind of reminds me of that movie "Unbreakable" with Bruce Willis. He had an arch nemisis, he just didn't know it until he had to jack his insane, crippled ass up.

Is Heywood crippled? I mean physically, not just the obvious mental thing.

And by the way, I have no idea who you are.

Are you joking?

If you whine incessantly because someone catches you lying - you just might be a moronic brownshirt fuck!

And you are, buddy - you are!

Master (is your last name "Bates?"), two quick things.

A) "Yourself" is one word.

B) You meant "yourselves" anyway.

Yeah, we wingnuts are all about collectivism, income redistribution and state ownership of the means of production.

Did anyone else see the reference to Guckert? My God people (or should I say "sheeple"), get another thought.

I heard there was gonna be a fracas...

Which side is which?

Who cares! Fuck 'em all till they get the joke.

No commercials! No mercy!

No, no, Ace, you are the wingnuttiest-- never settle; tell them to get out of your face. If she wants nemeses, give her friendliness, but don't talk to her. You've got to take things in stride. Never placate. She won't know what hit her. Then, when the apple falls from the tree, that's when you won't need food to impress her, it's there, man. And, if she doesn't get it, then she's gone.

All across the left-wing blogosphere, this will be known as Ace's Boner!

(I should have posted this under Spurwing's name. It's more his style.)

Fascist racist bigot homophobe liar war-monger misogynist.

"Yeah, we wingnuts are all about collectivism, income redistribution and state ownership of the means of production."

Yes, many are "closet commies". I always knew William F. Buckley, Jr. was as queer as a three dollar bill. Then I saw this and realized he was as queer as three Gore Vidals...

"Henry George said that the rent of all land ought to be public. ...I am sympathetic with that particular analysis."

[on Firing Line, PBS, January 6, 1980]

And this...

"CALLER: Mr. Buckley, it's a pleasure to talk to you.

William F. Buckley, Jr.(WFB): Thank You.

CALLER: I've heard you describe yourself as a Georgist, a follower of Henry George, but I haven't heard much in having you promote land value taxation and his theories, and I'm wondering why that is the case.

W.F.B.: It's mostly because I'm beaten down by my right-wing theorists and intellectual friends. They always find something wrong with the Single-Tax idea. What I'm talking about Mr. Lamb is Henry George who said there is infinite capacity to increase capital and to increase labor, but none to increase land, and since wealth is a function of how they play against each other, land should be thought of as common property. The effect of this would be that if you have a parking lot and the Empire State Building next to it, the tax on the parking lot should be the same as the tax on the Empire State Building, because you shouldn't encourage land speculation.

Anyway I've run into tons of situations were I think the Single-Tax theory would be applicable. We should remember also this about Henry George, he was sort of co-opted by the socialists in the 20s and the 30s, but he was not one at all. Alfred J. Nock's book on him makes that plain. Plus, also, he believes in only that tax. He believes in zero income tax.

You look bored (addressing Brian Lamb)!

(...)

B.L.: (Quoting the book) "The first time I met William F. Buckley, we were both members of a televised panel discussing word. The moderator introduced me with a pop-quiz to test my credentials asked me to define the word..." Is it USUFRUCT?

W.F.B.: Usufruct, yeah.

B.L. (Quoting the book) "I felt smug as I recite the right to enjoy another's property as long as you don't damage it. Then Mr. Buckley leaned into his microphone and quoted an entire paragraph on usufruct from the political economist, Henry George.

W.F.B.: Oh for heaven's sake!

B.L.: And this little book has..

W.F.B.: The land belongs to those in usufruct ."

[an interview with Brian Lamb, CSpan Book Notes, April 2-3, 2000]

Usufruct! Good God! The man is a commie!

But what a wimp! Can you imagine what a catfight it would have been if those two had gotten into a slapfest on TV like they almost did some years back? Couple of old commie queens? I'd pay to see that!

I'm about to get me some
crazy-mad blog money from
one Duncan Black - reformed economist.

This is an open thread.

Indeed.

heh.

Hey some broad on the Huffington Post is picking on Sully.

Andrew Sully and Moore Disorder

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/andrew-sully-and-moore-di_b_13027.html

Don't Ace and Allah have a copyright on that?

What in the Wide Wide world of sports is a-goin' on here?

Jane Hamster strikes again. She really pissed off John Cole with her demented ravings. I'm glad to see that she's now getting mocked instead, although she doesn't really deserve the attention. Then again, she helps keep the economy moving; I'm certain that she goes through crates of paper towels daily, what with having to mop her spittel off of her computer monitor. So hey, she's not completely useless.

7. Val-U-Rite vodka and Thai hookers. (Or is it Vietnamese hookers? I keep forgetting.)

It's Thai. Pay attention, Monty.

Brewfan, if I don't survive the coming engagement, I just want to say:

I wish I could quit you.

Well, if you don't make it, I'm hoping they can pry my crank out of your cold, dead, lips.

i was wondering why so many people were saying things like "all i want is a civil conversation" and "why does everyone keep insulting me". they've obviously never been to the site before

If he willing to ignore the bills of rights when it comes to spying on Americans, what's to prevent him from taking your guns?? (Not jus' da ones in yer truck--all a' dem!)

Oh shit, that's just how I talk! Buuurn!
And I know! It's just like how during WWII there were restrictions on the press and domestic spying programs AND THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND PROGRAMS NEVER FUCKING EVER WENT AWAY OR WERE REDUCED! Ever.
I'm still sick, jus' thunkin' 'bout it.

More like, I was Batman to his Space Monkey Gleep.

That might be the cruelest superhero-related slam I've ever read anywhere. Nice!

I love you, Ace.

Ace:

I just assumed you knew the moniker from the Blogosphere threads at TPW. The "arch-nemesis" thing was certainly meant to be ridiculous, as well as past tense. (Although there were some pretty elaborate, intense debates, if you recall.)

It was more of a "Hey, I know that clown!" kinda moment. What made it priceless was clicking on the main page after writing that initial post, and seeing your Batman/Joker riff. Fucking weird.

Maybe you are Batman after all, with Niner as your "ward". And for Rove's sake, the least you could do is throw a nigga a link, if you're gonna playa hate.

Max:

Ace's self-proclaimed arch-nemisis (Heywood - I'm not making that up) has his own site:

hammeroftheblogs.blogspot.com

and likes to call President Bush 'Dear Cheerleader'.

First, it's "nemesis". Second, it was past tense (or maybe past perfect). Third, it was a joke. Finally, don't act like you're somehow above some ad hominem smackdown, dear. You're here, aren't you?

Paul L,
Did you notice the moonbats in the comments of the article you linked at Gov. Huffington's site? The folks are calling Sully a right-wing shill....apparently, they're so uninformed (I'll be kind) that they're unaware that Mr. Sullivan endorsed Kerry.

That the author of said piece is a drooling moron goes without question.

I wish we had one o' dem Doomsday machines.

I like the cut of your jib, Heywood J. I do hope you stick around and help me with my research.

digitalbrownshorts:

This kind of reminds me of that movie "Unbreakable" with Bruce Willis. He had an arch nemisis, he just didn't know it until he had to jack his insane, crippled ass up.

Is Heywood crippled? I mean physically, not just the obvious mental thing.

Actually, I am. My enormous cock makes me walk a bit funny. Ask your sister. But hey, glad you could take a break from humping the couch pillows to weigh in.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming. Enjoy the new year.

Timmy:

I like the cut of your jib, Heywood J. I do hope you stick around and help me with my research.

As long as you pay me in Reese's Pieces, and are gentle and caring with my jib, so that it may retain its cut.

Heywood, does it cut like a hammer?

Vince, it slices like a fuckin' hammer.

I asked my sister. She said you do have a HUGE cock that makes you walk funny, but it's made out of rubber and you carry it around in your rectum Maplethorpe style.

Now excuse me while I get back to my couch pillows.

I missed this one earlier. Funny.

Ace: More like, I was Batman to his Space Monkey Gleep.

I-like-a-the-men: That might be the cruelest superhero-related slam I've ever read anywhere. Nice!

I guess so, if you're a lifer at the Green Lantern Chat Board. I mean, how many superhero-related slams does one experience outside of mom's basement?

Oops-I-Pooped-My-Pants:

I asked my sister. She said you do have a HUGE cock that makes you walk funny, but it's made out of rubber and you carry it around in your rectum Maplethorpe style.
You been savin' that one up all day, Jethro? What can I say -- I usually store it your rectum, except when you're parking the bullwhip? I dunno, it's very rubber-glue.

Now excuse me while I get back to my couch pillows.
Yeah, and don't forget your fuckin' shine box.

You'll have to explain the shine box thing. I'm not down with the jerk off lingo.

Now go change your pants.

You've never seen Goodfellas?

Also, what makes you think I'm wearing pants?

Might he be referring to my secret alter ego, Shoeshine Boy?

Now this is sweet. Y'all keep it cummin'.

You've never seen Goodfellas?

Sure, 15 years ago. I've based my entire life since then on the scene where Pesci says "But, I'm funny how? Funny like a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to fuckin' amuse you?"

I just don't remember any shine box.

you wingnuts are entertaining, I'll give you that. dumbfucks, but entertaining dumbfucks. carry on, wingnuts.

So I went to this Hamster-woman's site and felt a weird, hateful illusory buzzfog lingering about. I left before it could take hold, but I don't think others there were so lucky.

I'll never forget all that screeching...

My, you're a nasty, brutish, low-brow bunch. No wonder you love Mr. Bush so much.

Be advised, we got trolls in the wire down here.

My, you're a nasty, brutish, low-brow bunch. No wonder you love Mr. Bush so much.

As opposed to you genteel folks who love a war criminal like John Kerry?

So, I guess Hamsher won't be reading Ace's script.

I love this site, but I swear it attracts the lowest grade of trolls in the entire 'sphere.

They had more menacing trolls in Keep on the Borderlands, if you know what I'm saying (and I know for a fact that Ace and some others know what I'm saying).

My, you're a nasty, brutish, low-brow bunch.

And yet we still manage to beat your ass in election after election.

What the fuck does that make you?

Oh, that's right. Pathetic losers.

My, you're a stupid, worthless, asshat troll. No wonder you love Michael Moore so much.

Ace = Hitler

Wrong. Ace = Springtime for Hitler

Best part of Jane Hamster's post? This:
Sadly, the remedial Ace has no better education than his counterparts on the Russian collectivist farms and seems to be unfamiliar with the copyright laws that prevail in the free market.

In a free market copyright laws would not prevail. Copyright laws are a deliberate abrogation of free market principles. In a strictly free market, the creator of a work would compete with other vendors selling his work, and would probably have to compete on price or desirability of packaging something similiar, like the various different editions of public domain "classics" of literature.

A market in which the creator of a copyrighted work enjoys a state-granted monopoly on the distribution of that work is by definition not a free market. Now, an argument might be made that granting that monopoly is a wise abrogation of free market principles that otherwise ought to prevail, but that doesn't transform the monopoly into a characteristic of the free market.

Fuck all y'all bitches that proclaim to be conservative or supporters of this bush junta. hoowah!

Oh and by the way, we all know how you continue to "win" elections, by stealing them with rigged voting machines, by judges that should have removed themselves from the high court because of "conflicts of interest", the list goes on and on, you dirty cocksuckers!
And yeah, we DO fucking love Michael Moore, bitches! He'll be seen as a hero someday, even by idiot fuckbags like you lowlife scumslime that you repugliscums are!

Holy shit, that's some concentrated moonbat right there!

Although "idiot fuckbags" is pretty good. Got to remember that one.

Nice effort, D. I'll give you that.

I'll also give you some advice. Don't let your mother kiss you. She's a dirty, dirty whore and you just have no idea where those lips have been.

That's the best part really. We win by stealing the elections. One man. One vote. One outcome.

always

We win by stealing the elections.

True dat.

Double true.

I haven't actually voted in years. I mean, who really needs to, right? Diebold takes care of it for me, no fuss.

I mean, have you ever been to Maine in November? It's cold out there.

I love this site, but I swear it attracts the lowest grade of trolls in the entire 'sphere.

This is the constituency of FireDogLake, I gather - it's where Tubino says he hangs out. It's kind of funny how they only come in two types - the rabid idiots and the more measured, but just as intense, types who don't bother to do any background reading or independent thinking. The impression I give is that when one of their sites posts a screed with the right buzzwords, they accept it uncritically and enthusiastically. Eventually they're so well conditioned that you get a blog like Atrios, where he can get a passionate liberal response by posting a sentence or two of gibberish.

always

Dave, don't be violating Walmart's copyright...

and thanks...now I'm going to have Queen's "One Vision" stuck in my head all day for some reason.

we all know how you continue to "win" elections, by stealing them with rigged voting machines

Uh oh. The gig is up. They're onto us, fellas. It's time to execute Plan B ...

RELEASE THE ARMORED CHENEY-BOT!!

And yeah, we DO fucking love Michael Moore, bitches!

Leaving a trail of spinal trauma patients in his wake, Michael Moore IS Brokeback Mountain.

don't be violating Walmart's copyright

The best, brightest, most innovative and successful corporation in the world.

*lays down one little piece of cheese*

It's rather hard to believe that "D" wasn't a late-night (drunk) commenter. That is the commentary of a sober liberal?

(shudder)

Wal-Mart?

Great corporation. Treats its workers well, too. Good pay, good benefits.

Other American corporations should emulate the Mart.

I want to suck Walmart's cock.

Oh, great. Now the trolls are reading my diary.

m'kay, that was just a cheesy joke on the "copyright violation" meme, not a dig at WM.

Make sure you're troll-dar is working before opening fire, guy.

I like Wal-Mart, actually. Used to work for them in college.

Oh, no worries Dex, I wasn't taking a shot at you at all. Just setting a little trap.

Looks like we got a live one too! See how his little eyes bug out?

I've finally found a home. Hi girls, especially you Sluggy.

Okay, so which one of you used my name?

Dave, Dex? Who was it?

Dirty rats...

wasn't me.
Hey, I used to work for them too!

Yep. Three years of my life at the Mart.

Toys, Electronics, softlines, CSM and customer service desk.

It was quite a run.

I wish that the whole nickname thing could be resolved - I'd like to live in a world where everyone has a nick, and no one impersonates anyone else (unless it's an obvious spoof). Can't we all just get along?

[Sorry for the granola-flavored comment, just spent some time over at FDL, so I'm in touch with my feminine side.]

Hey Ace, you missed out the best part of Heywood J.'s comment;

"But seriously, as I have told him repeatedly, Ace is merely Ann Coulter with a smaller dick. He thrives on strawman arguments, and the personal belittlement of opponents."

It's funny, because it's true.

Ace is merely Ann Coulter with a smaller dick.

That's still a whopper of a tool.

and the personal belittlement of opponents.

That's the pot calling the kettle articulate. Plus, Ace belittles his friends, too - Heywood's just cherry-picking victim groups to build his flimsy case.

I wish that the whole nickname thing could be resolved - I'd like to live in a world where everyone has a nick, and no one impersonates anyone else (unless it's an obvious spoof). Can't we all just get along?

You know, stealing a nick is bad form, but that lovey-dovey kumbayah stuff is just teh ghay.

Were I picking an arch-nemesis, I'd definitely want one that looks good in leaather, and has more articulate/competent/interesting minions.

Sorry, Margaret.

Ace also thrives on non-strawman arguments. Who knew?

but that lovey-dovey kumbayah stuff is just teh ghay.

That's the magic of FireDogLake. That place is TubinoLand, where everything is cast in the framework that conservatives are evil, thoughtless, avaricious brutes whose sole purpose is to take advantage of the more enlightened and the less privileged. If it doesn't fit the framework, it doesn't go in. If it fits the framework, but is nonsensical (like the NSA cookies), that's OK, because it conforms to the higher truth.

Probably old news to most here, but I'd never seen a mental ecosystem that relied on such powerful pre-cortical processing.

Those Michael Moore loving, America hating, soldier hating, terrorist loving Liberals are always falsely accusing us of straw dog arguments, as if there was any truth to it. They just don't love freedom the way we gay Republicans do.

straw dog arguments?

Now that's funny.

Ha! I knew you fags were all fags! Fags!

I just prefer to be around real men Proud.

Were I picking an arch-nemesis, I'd definitely want one that looks good in leather, and has more articulate/competent/interesting minions.

This about what you had in mind?

You know, I am not a fan of Saddam either.

But you know who was really a big fan of Saddam? Ronald Reagan.

That's right. For no good reason, other than personal empathy and that Saddam's mistress was his hair dresser in Bedtime for Bonzo, Reagan gave Iraq millions of dollars, and chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. We armed him because of Reagan, thats why our poor, helpless redneck babykilling troops were fighting Iraqis armed with M16s and M1 tanks.

Boy howdy, does this blog ever suck a whole lot of ass.

Boy howdy, does this blog ever suck a whole lot of ass.

It sure does. Too goddamn many trolls, and not very good ones either.

In a free market copyright laws would not prevail. Copyright laws are a deliberate abrogation of free market principles. In a strictly free market, the creator of a work would compete with other vendors selling his work, and would probably have to compete on price or desirability of packaging something similiar, like the various different editions of public domain "classics" of literature.

That's dumb.

So, those who make creative works should be the only workers not compensated for their efforts?

Oh, right, they can compete via "packaging."

Except the writer, of course, wouldn't necessarily be any good at packaging. Someone can take his book, "package" it better, and then get all the profits from the writer's work.

So... if you write a long, important, detailed memo for work, you're okay with a coworker stealing it and getting the credit?

Boy howdy, does this blog ever suck a whole lot of ass.

From what I hear, so does "D."

And his rates are dirt-cheap.

Ace said:
That's dumb.

No, this is dumb:

So, those who make creative works should be the only workers not compensated for their efforts?

So I'm glad that's not what I was arguing.

I believe that those who make creative works should be compensated for their efforts, which is why I agree with abrogating free market principles in this instance and having the state grant them a monopoly on the use of their work.

Arguing that copyright is not a characteristic of a free market is not the same thing as arguing that copyright is not a good idea -- the two are separate arguments.

When I saw the troll warning, I was expecting flames of a bit more significant caliber from the Lefties. You know, napalm drops and flametanks and thermobaric bomb kinda flames... All I see are a bunch of drooling retards running around with a box of matches, a shit-eating grin, and a half-empty can of Lysol they just tried (unsuccessfully) to huff.

J.

We were just waiting for you to pump up the volumn moron.

There, you see what I mean? It's like watching a 4 year old trying to play Tee-Ball. Whole lotta whiffing, and even if they make contact, the ball lands only a couple of feet away.

Ace, I salute you for giving these monkeys their time at bat, as boring and pathetic as it might be for us to watch.

J.

Reagan gave Iraq millions of dollars, and chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. We armed him because of Reagan, thats why our poor, helpless redneck babykilling troops were fighting Iraqis armed with M16s and M1 tanks.

HUMN ... and why did we do that? Because we wanted him to repress and gas his own people? Yes, that must have been why ... funny, because I went to public schools, but I seem to remember something about Iran?!? Oh, I'm sure my mind is playing tricks.

psst...carin, I am referring to the best post ever troll turd ever. Look in the pol pot open thread. I was being sarcastical.

I think Ace must have got tired of listening to the same 3 or 4 idiots so he had to reach out to a blog that actually gets some traffic.

I took Saddam out to dinner to but he wouldn't put out.

So I bombed Libya.

Hey Wilde, you fucking moron, why don't you dazzel us with your thoughts, or are you just another whining empty vessel?

Go easy on Wilde, there aren't as many trolls as Ace warned us. We just have one troll who basically calls everyone a moron. Even proudliberalvet could do better.

It's spelled "dazzle," Twinkletoes. Also, "Volume." I would probably think better of you if you could wipe the spittle from your lips long enough to proofread your posts before firing off yet another limp and ineffectual salvo of Mk.1 Mod 0 level Retard.

Let's be honest: Intellect... Not your strong suit. I suggest going with your backup plan as a trannie hooker offering up $5 H*ndjobs.

J.

Hey thanks for pointing that out dumbfuck. There is nothing like getting spelling lessons from a idiot.

"An idiot," Precious. Bad grammar makes the Flying Spaghetti Monster weep marinara.

J.

haha,
I don't get it, what dumbfuck did brewfan point out? And what is a "hey thanks?"

seriously though pointing out spelling errors and grammatical mistakes is a dangerous game in these arenas. Everyone makes teh mistakes.

Hey, U.Lib, are you doing anything later? I've got 5 bucks just burning a hole in my pocket...

J.

Wilde if you want to suck my cock I don't go that way.

Again with the Full Metal Retard, U.Lib? I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit either. But hey, you've still got your fallback plan, and I've got $5 to give you if you treat me right...

J.

Tell you what moron, I'll grab a crack whore off the street for you and you can entertain her with your five bucks, and your blistering wit.

You were entirely correct, joeindc44. U.Lib's fun to wind up at first, but he gets boring fast.

J.

The only thing Wilde ever winds up is that robot he calls girlfriend.

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so.

You capitalized the i idiot.

Executive privilege.

"Executive privilege" is not a proper sentence.

"Executive privilege" is not a proper sentence.

You want a proper sentence?

You're a moron and your mother was a hamster.

And your father?

Smelled of elderberries.

Is "Smelled of elderberries." a proper sentence?

Wow, man. Phinn's right, we're getting some shitty trolls. I was expecting something, you know, fearsome. But seriously. Dumb. As. Paint.

I leave this thread with a hiaku for the most important troll on that stage, but only because there's no one else there...

Angry and stupid
So much to apologize for
but he won't placate

Unapologetic's old man must have rubbed elderberries on his dick.

Arguing that copyright is not a characteristic of a free market is not the same thing as arguing that copyright is not a good idea -- the two are separate arguments.

He's right about that. Copyright laws (as well as patent laws) are a deliberate intervention by the state in the operation of free markets. They grant state-sponsored monopolies of limited duration in order to encourage invention.

What we need at this point is a troll with talent (hmm, say, Cedarford) to launch into a rant about how the Chinese are stealing our intellectual property and thereby slowly gutting the U.S. economy, and Bush is doing nothing about it.

*Note to self: Must stop channelling Cedarford.*

Conservatives would do well to remember that free markets are not some God-given gift that just falls into our laps.

Efficient markets are the consequence of a state that is actively involved in such matters as the recognition of private property, the enforcement of contracts, the protection of intellectual property rights, the integrity of capital markets, the unlocking of labor and capital through bankruptcies, the unrestricted flow of labor, the use of eminent domain to create public goods with a "network effect" (e.g., roads, telecommunications systems), the limitation of intergenerational transfers of wealth, the elimination of barriers to international trade, and so forth.

There are more lawyers per capita in the U.S. than anywhere else, and our markets are freer and more efficient than anywhere else. Folks, this is not a coincidence.

I forgot the most important item that should have been on my list: the establishment of currency and a banking system that creates a reliable unit of stored value to facilitate exchanges.

The Chinese military is being funded by America -- American consumers, to be precise.

The more Made In China products we buy, the more money gets funneled back to the People's Republic of China. It is utterly amazing that after winning the cold war, we would financially support a formidable communist power so willingly.

The Bush presidency and the Republican-led Congress has really disappointed me by not curbing trade with high tariffs and allowing immigration to continue at the current rate.

The Dems are right about one thing, the outsourcing of jobs is a real problem. And it is exascerbated by the daily influx of droves of unskilled immigrants.

The canidate who runs on reform of these two issues will win the White House in '08.

Not as many trolls as you expected? The reason is obvious: It ain't worth it. I've never seen a more juvenile, dumbed-down, rah-rah, sadistic and deranged group of regular posters on a thread as I have here. Truly pathetic, troubling even. There, that makes you happy, don't it?

Is there anything of substance here? Maybe, but it'd take quite an effort to find it.

Have fun y'all.

Jesus, two year olds flip me shit better'n you.

I've never seen a more juvenile, dumbed-down, rah-rah, sadistic and deranged group of regular posters...as I have here. Truly pathetic, troubling even.

~Jones

Ace, please, pretty please use this quote under your logo.

"Ace, please, pretty please use this quote under your logo."

Yay! Fame and fortune are mine! Thx, Bart.

And hey, you might tag my quote with ... "And proud of it!"

I'm going to re-implement the old quote/slogan I used to have in the sidebar. I'll put that one in there when I do. Try to remind me if I forget.

I don't get the "monopoly" argument. If you own property, do you not have a "monopoly" on its use?

What, you think property rights could exist without state intervention? Without state intervention, you'd have squatters and occupiers. Without state action, you'd have to defend your property with guns and dogs.

Chattel property, too.

Why is granting a state protection of real property different from granting similar protections for intellectual property?

Why is granting a state protection of real property different from granting similar protections for intellectual property?

For one thing, intellectual property can be reproduced pretty much cost-free. A million people probably can't share the same acre of land, but they can all enjoy the same song.

I support intellectual property laws, though. Within reason.

The sort of laissez-faire extreme-libertarian ultra-free-market analysis you're suggesting for IP, though, would also seem to suggest that a piece of land can hold all the people it can comfortably bear, and that if there are too many, they are free to leave and find less-inhabited acres.

Or, alternately, guys with guns can chase everyone else off.

The more Made In China products we buy, the more money gets funneled back to the People's Republic of China. It is utterly amazing that after winning the cold war, we would financially support a formidable communist power so willingly.

So, the Red Army is dependant on commerce with America.

What's the problem?

(Sorry, Cedarford.)

How come I can't read the comments on DogPissLake? Anybody else have this problem?

I want to read the comments about us. I think I'm mentioned.

Ace said:
The sort of laissez-faire extreme-libertarian ultra-free-market analysis you're suggesting for IP, though . . .

I don't get the impression that anyone is suggesting that we not protect IP. I'm certainly not. I'm just suggesting that doing so is an abrogation of free market principles.

Well, you know, the crank conspiracy for the left about China right now is that, because of our trade imbalance, they are investing in long-term, low yield government bonds. Apparently, the fear is that they can then flood America with all this money.

And we would be hurt because we wouldn't be able to spend it right back at China or something.

Why is granting a state protection of real property different from granting similar protections for intellectual property?

It's not. But you can protect territory with guns and dogs. That doesn't work with IP.

I don't get the impression that anyone is suggesting that we not protect IP. I'm certainly not. I'm just suggesting that doing so is an abrogation of free market principles.

I've been thinking about this. The way I look at it, the protection of IP rights is not an "abrogation" of free market principles, unless you hold to extreme libertarian philosophies. It's rather a recognition that efficient free markets require the active and ongoing intervention of the state to create conditions that allow commerce to flower.

Ace = Hitler
Posted by Bushbadevil at December 30, 2005 08:53 AM

HEY!! Isn't that a violation of Frank J.'s copyright on "that's totally Hitler"???

Sorry I missed all the fun with these fine representatives of the Left. Ever notice how it's ALWAYS the unhinged leftards that troll in herds?

Anyway, nice seeing you all. It's time to get my fat ass back out on the street for some more action.

How perfectly clueless that some of you are quoting Dr. Strangelove. That film - if you bothered to even contemplate its message - was a blatantly anti-war film condemning the dangerous idiocy and megalomania of both military and political leaders. Looks like not much has changed in the 40 years since Kubrick made the film. In fact, you might as well substitute Dick Cheney for Jack D. Ripper (although Dick might actually have sex with women).

You know what's clueless? Trying to fit someone's art into your narrow-minded view of the world.

We're perfectly aware of the film's message, but we enjoy it for what it is - a very funny, well-made film with some great performances.

It's called "open-mindedness." The real kind. Not the fakey kind you guys try to practice.

Its more of a living, breathing film, its meaning is elastic to what I feel like it means.

How's that coincide with your international Communist conspiracy, eh Mandrake?

Full Metal Jacket and Paths to Glory had much stronger anti-war messages, but sure, Dr. Strangelove is an anti-war film.

It's also funny. Which is why we like it. Because we have a sense of humor.

Unlike you.

Michael said:
I've been thinking about this. The way I look at it, the protection of IP rights is not an "abrogation" of free market principles, unless you hold to extreme libertarian philosophies.

It is an abrogation of free market principles in that it is regulation of the market. There's no philosophy involved, just definitions. Philosophy only enters into the question when we decide whether we should or should not regulate the market in that way and thus whether we should or should not abrogate the free market principles.

It's rather a recognition that efficient free markets require the active and ongoing intervention of the state to create conditions that allow commerce to flower.

That is philosophy. That is the proposition that some amount of regulation is desirable. But it doesn't change the definition of "regulation" to only include those regulations you don't find desirable.