No, but you are cool with your syncophant calling me a btich for criticizing the boyfriend for almost killing her.

Police were initially told the boyfriend wanted the phone and the woman tried to swallow it so that he could not get it.

Don't want to pronounce the guy guilty prematurely but, damn, if he did force it down her throat? And then stood there and lied about it, while she couldn't talk? That is some cold shit. Imagine sitting there gasping for air while some douchebag blames the whole situation on you--and you can't even refute any of it, possibly because you can't speak.

Blech. It all leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.

No, but you are cool with your syncophant calling me a btich for criticizing the boyfriend for almost killing her.

Nope. If you'll go to the older thread, you'll see I am not cool with you assuming the worst about Michael. He merely misunderstood the story; he thought there was a fight and then she swallowed it herself in spite.

You always assume the worst possible interpretation because it gives you a little moral-vanity thrill.

For the love of God -- do you really imagine men support such life-threatening assaults on women? Or like to advertise that fact publicly?

Apparently you do. I would advise you to grow up and get over your conceit that you are one of the few people in this country concerned about brutal violence against women.

There were a lot of people like you in blah-blah school. We'd hear about some horrific crime -- some rape and murder or something -- and folks like you would immediately raise your hand to announce that you were "outraged!"

Well, like, no fucking shit, you know? Who isn't?

But you always have to get that on the record, and let other people know that, while they may have been similarly revolted by a crime, you had the courage to raise your hand and defiantly announce how outraged you were.

You know what else outrages me? Cancer.

Can you say the same, cancer-lover?

And I advise you to actually read the exchange. You are cool with him assuming the worse about my motives because you are intent on ignoring that he is the one who started the name calling, not me.

As I indicated below, if this is true the guy should be prosecuted -- for attempted murder, not assault.

Anon, I called you a bitch for jumping to conclusions when the article linked below said nothing to support your automatic blame-the-guy attitude, not because I condone abusing women. Your subsequent comments suggest that I described you accurately.

Between the two of us, I'm not the one who has a problem with gender bias.

I just wish you could f'n' chill the eff out and realize that very few people are "down with" any of the following:

-- rape

-- brutal assaults on women (and on men and children, for that matter)

-- murders of women (and of men and children too)

-- stalking women

-- etc.

anonymous feminista:

I'm sorry, but there's a thing called history, and your previous history has been one of unceasing tediousness, annoyingness, moral-peacockery, imputation of bad motives to every poster with a male monicker, and constant declarations of outrage.

Michael, meanwhile, has been a pretty reasonable poster (except when he's hitting on women, which, last time I checked, was not technically a hate-crime yet).

I was responding to Trevor's post, you know the one directly before mine that contained the link to the updated story. But, you acting true to form started the name calling, not me. You and the others can spin it anyway you want but if anyone disagrees with the pack here whether factually or immaginary you attack. Oh, and did I call you a prick? If not, I am now.

Michael called you "anonobitch". Not very nice of him, but why should Ace care? Defend yourself. Ace isn't your daddy, although he probably wishes he were. As to why Ace should care about your careless use of the term misogyny, remember that you (or a similar anonymous poster; see the problem?) have referred to Ace that way in the past, and notice that since Michael has a name, he's sortuv part of a virtual community here, which is about as close as Ace gets to having real friends.

The term "anonobitch" reflects the fact that you don't use a screen name, like virtually every other regular poster here. I also find that annoying about you. (And you don't have to limit yourself to just one name, either. Explore the space, Josie.)

As to misogyny, here's a tip for the aspiring feminist in you, because your old pal Sandy is all about the ladies: crying wolf is counter-productive.

Anon, I called you a bitch for jumping to conclusions when the article linked below said nothing to support your automatic blame-the-guy attitude, not because I condone abusing women.

Well, michael you prick, I didn't jump to conclusions and I didn't automatically blame the guy. You are the one who automatically started calling me names. You fucked up but you are too small of a man to admit it.

He merely misunderstood the story; he thought there was a fight and then she swallowed it herself in spite.

Again, I read the article and did not misunderstand anything or make any assumptions about what had happened that was not reported. The article linked below quotes the police as saying that she swallowed the phone herself. It does not describe any kind of physical fight; it only says he wanted the phone. It does not even say whose phone it was. That article says next to nothing about what actually happened or why she would put a phone in her mouth, and anon deserved to be criticized for her obvious anti-male bias.

By the way, anon, I am Ace's "sycophant." "Syncophant" is not a word.

if anyone disagrees with the pack here

At the risk of being labeled a "sycophant," I have to say that Ace and most other posters here have always been pretty cool to me when I've disagreed with them. And I'm saying that as someone who's received plenty of less-than-cool treatment from others, so I like to think I can tell the difference by now.

It's not what you say. It's how you say it, and how often you say it, and what kind of social capital you build up over time.

I like that there's someone here now who occasionally needles these guys from a feminist viewpoint. I just don't know that I like how it's being done. "Anonymous feminista of perpetual outrage" sums things up a little too accurately here.

Well, Michael, if you didn't understand, I don't know where you're getting anti-male bias from:

"It appears she didn't voluntarily swallow this phone," Kintz said. "It's not quite the way it was first portrayed."

The story isn't fully out yet but it appears likely that she didn't swallow it, the boyfriend stuffed it into her throat.

That, at least, is the best theory the police have at the moment.

I didn't go running to ace or anyone else for backup. I didn't call ace any names. I didn't jump to the conclusion that the man was at fault. Nor did I take the position I did because the victim was a woman. Michael made this a sexual thing, not me. He was the one who accused me of siding with the victim bc she was female and not on what the police are releasing. He is the one who called me a bitch for what he perceived was a biased against men. So don't lecture me about who has the problem with the sexes.

"Anonymous feminista of perpetual outrage" sums things up a little too accurately here.

I assume you mean that that's par for the course.

I don't know if anyone's applied that lable to you; I know I haven't. I'm applying it to this anonymous poster -- who can't even be bothered to MAKE UP A FUCKING NAME -- because of her shrill history.

"Men are insufficiently concerned about man-on-woman violence" is a perfectly valid proposition for a feminist to advance and see debated.

"Men support stuffing cellphones down women's throats; discuss amongst yourselves" is not.

I trust you see the difference. Cunt.

I was responding to Trevor's post, you know the one directly before mine that contained the link to the updated story.

Now this is beginning to make sense. I missed Trevor's post, and thus assumed you were referring to the original article. Your reaction to Trevor's post is certainly justifiable, and my reaction to you was off the mark.

I apologize.

That is some cold shit.

Yeah. If that's what happened, it should be considered attempted murder. (Probably not premeditated if he also called 911, though.)

I just hope this character never has kids.

Blech. It all leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.

Bad choice of words, ilyka!

Nothing stereotypical about that hissyfit. You need to find yourself a man.

Ummm, see?

Michael was starting to worry me by insisting he hadn't "misunderstood anything," but I could not believe he had read the update and beleived it was "anti-male bias" to attack the boyfriend, given that update.

I knew this because, Anonymous Feminista, it just doesn't make sense to me that anyone here would support such a thing or be anything less than, yes, outraged over it.

Again, I would council you, if I may be so bold, to be less quick about imputing such horrific thoughts to someone without considering other possibilities, like a simple misunderstanding.

council = counsel

sorry.

Ace, if I was a woman, I'd be sitting on your front lawn right now, singing Helen Reddy songs and promising my sisterhood not to shave nor shower until you grovel at my mud-encrusted toes, you filthy piece of man-meat.

...Oh wait a minute, I was apparently channeling Cindy Sheehan. Never mind.

I don't take advice from people who call me a cunt, prick.

I don't know if anyone's applied that lable to you; I know I haven't. I'm applying it to this anonymous poster -- who can't even be bothered to MAKE UP A FUCKING NAME -- because of her shrill history.

Ace, what the FUCK? I was agreeing with you. When I say that "anonymous feminista of perpetual outrage sums things up a little too accurately," I do NOT mean that such labeling is "par for the course" around here.

I mean that she really is. An anonymous feminista. Of perpetual outrage. You know, just as you said.

And I also mean that I find the perpetual outrage extremely annoying and counterproductive. Because I do. And this is not the first time that I've said as much here, either.

Reminder:

At the risk of being labeled a "sycophant," I have to say that Ace and most other posters here have always been pretty cool to me when I've disagreed with them.

Okay? Jesus. I'm really not seeing how you got from this that I was offended by anything you did, but to clarify: I am not. My criticisms are directly solely at the anonymous poster.

I just think it's all counterproductive and dumb.

Truth be told, Anonymous Feminista, most men today are at least softly feminist. We're not with the Naomi Wolf contingent, but we've pretty much accepted the less controversial points of feminism.

And, you know, even before feminism, we were NEVER supporters of beating the shit out of women or attempting to kill them.

I don't assume you hate me. Why is it so important to you to believe I hate you?

ilyka: Your point seemed pretty obvious to me. Not sure how ace got that out of your post.

Whatever, Ilyka. You're still only good for two things: makin' babies and makin' sandwiches.

Just guessing, and I may be way off base here, but anonymous feminista has probably zero interest in finding herself a man.

DBS,

Honestly, I just sort of tune out whenever one of these perpetually-menstruating she-creatures starts flapping her pie hole or clicking her polished red whore-nails on a keyboard.

Ha ha! Ace and Michael both misunderstood stuff today. Do you morons have hang-overs or something?

Oh, and since I don't think I said it earlier, Merry Xmas y'all!

Can we all just hug and be friends now?

I grovel at your feet, Anonymous Feminista. Let me again publicly declare that were right and I was wrong. This whole silly spat was provoked by my mistake, and I'm sorry.

OK?

Can we all just hug and be friends now?

Just tell Ace to watch those hands, all right?

Anonymous Feministe:

Can't you call yourself Velma or something?

I didn't call you a cunt. I called Ilyka a cunt. And (I trust) she knew I was kidding.

(I hope she knew that.)

I wouldn't call you that because I save such vulgar language for people I like.

Anonymous Feminista:

I have an idea. If you like, I will grovel in my Batman suit and you can spank me real hard.

Wait. Ilyka is a chick? That changes everything.

Well, good on Michael for apologizing for the misunderstanding.

I, however, do think the anonabitch needs a name if there is going to be some proper name-calling going on around here.

Michael made this a sexual thing

That's our Michael!

I will grovel in my Batman suit and you can spank me real hard.

AnonFem, I infer from your silence that you are not interested.

Anyone?

Anyone?

I dunno if you can afford my fee, Michael.

just call her Velma until she makes one up for herself.

Well, good on Michael for apologizing

I think Michael should apologize to me, just on general principle.

Sandy, I am soooo sorry for anything I may have done to offend you. I have been a very bad, and you have every right to administer the strict discipline that I deserve.

Please send email to make arrangements.

You guys are insane and awesome. It's like a roller coaster.

In all honesty, I think feminist outrage should be focused on evil primitives who do honor killings. It's far more common than people might realize. Comparatively, shoving a phone down one's throat and slitting it are quite different. From my observation, American men are totally feminist compared to those of other countries (whose men consider American men to be wimps, softies, whipped, and emasculated).

So, let us (men and women) leave American men alone and go protest outside Pakistan's embassy (and Saudi Arabia's, for good measure). Forget Take Back the Night; one should Take Back the Throat!

I think this is the perfect opportunity to tell you about the farting preacher.

(I hope she knew that.)

This is very embarrassing for me to admit, but I didn't even notice you'd done that. I, um, didn't read that far, because I'm a spaz.

But honestly, sometimes when one of these D&D dorks starts flapping his gums, I just kind of tune the whole thing out.

From my observation, American men are totally feminist compared to those of other countries (whose men consider American men to be wimps, softies, whipped, and emasculated).

I've been told that by a Russian, a Saudi, and a South African guy. The hysterical part is that in two of the three instances, the guys told me this in the course of trying to pick me up. How retarded is that?

"I promise to respect you far less than your American suitors, my precious whore. Why will you not make sweet love to me, you worthless slut?"

Luckily, last I checked, the cultural values of Russia, Saudi Arabia, and South Africa were cultural values Americans could safely ignore, and/or make terrific fun of.

Wait. Ilyka is a chick? That changes everything.

I don't know... last time I read her blog she was threatening to quit and come back with "a big swinging dick" because womyn bloggers don't get no respect.

So, Ilyka, err... how's it hangin'?

-- stalking women

that's a wrong thing?

This comment thread reminds me of almost all my past relationships. Someone trying to stuff something down my throat, misunderstanding, things being blown out of proportion, and someone getting called a cunt.

I propose that anonymous call herself Feisty Feminazi Spazz. It has a visually pleasing amount of "Z"s in the name and is accurate.

Has Josie told us his/her sex?

Oh boy, here I go. I love to read this site and the comments, but I kind of feel sorry for this poster who is being dragged through the mud. Of course I don't know her "history" here and perhaps I am being a bit naive, but I think she was just shocked that a man would shove a cell phone down a girl's throat. Then Michael misunderstood her because he was reading another news story. She didn't take too kindly to being called "anonobitch" which is kinda cute, but some people are sensitive to that. Does that make her an outraged feminista for assuming that Michael was misogynistic for using the term "bitch" when referring to her? I'm sure he's a fine guy, but give her a break for just reacting to being called a name. Kumbaya, anyone?

because I'm a spaz.

ilyka:

So, you really should go to Poland and acquire some cool. I mean, soon, not just before you die. (Yes, I checked out your ex-blog.) It's actually a very cool place. You won't regret Poland as a vacation destination, especially if you have family history there (I'm assuming Damen is a Polish name based on the fact that google turns up Damen Shipyards in Poland). The people are exceptionally friendly towards Americans. I've been to Warsaw a few times on business, but where I want to go on my own time is Krakow. I've heard it's really great, kind of like Prague-waiting-to-be-discovered. I'd like to get there before the tourists show up in force.

But, avoid Poland in the winter.

I'm sure he's a fine guy

Don't be so sure.

Kumbaya, anyone?

I'll think about it.

Thank you for the encouragement, Michael! Part of the attraction for me is definitely what I've heard about the people there, plus some of the Polish immigrants I've known here, plus I've heard Cracow particularly is beautiful. But, sadly:

Damen is a Polish name

In my case it's a totally fake name. I did have someone, I think the fella at Castle Aaarrrgh!, point out that it's also German for "women," which I hadn't known way back when I'd picked it. Anyway, that would fit with all the perverted Google.de search hits I get.

I kind of feel sorry for this poster who is being dragged through the mud.

Me too. And yet I pick on her anyways. I don't know why I'm like this. One theory is that I'm a jerk.

Shall I do the honors?

Ilyka Damen: I-likea-da-men.

Hooked on phonics action.

We don't placate the ladies.

my blogging software has an option that disallows comments without a "name" and "e-mail address," even fake ones. Nameless commenters talking smack may be the most annoying thing on the internet.

You know, just saying.

Ace's blog is non-fascist.
A lot of freedom here; we police ourselves.

That's it! Take Bart to the cooler!

Feisty made a good comment in another thread: some ought to move the discussion on feminism to this thread, where expression of outrage at something gob-smackingly outrageous is needed.

Of course I don't know her "history" here

It makes all the difference.

Perhaps you remember others walking in on a Cedarford-bashing fiesta (after he wrote something unusually innocuous) and being astonished at all the mean people at Ace's.

Of course, this comparison is slightly slanderous if I don't point out that this anonymous lady is nothing, NOTHING like C.

And for that we can be thankful.

It all leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.

Hers, too.

Hey, why do women have pussies?

So men will talk to them, of course.

Bada-ching!

Alright, alright calm down ladies. Why do women have such trouble judging distances, anyway?

Cuz men keep telling them that this [_______________________ ] is 6 inches!

Heyyyyyyyyy!! Thank, you, thank you. What a crowd!

Of course I don't know her "history" here

Trouble is, neither do we, because she's too lazy to use a screen name.

I sometimes see a clever or interesting anonymous comment which I think might be her, but I don't know.

In long overwrought arguments like this, a clearly recognizable and memorable personality emerges despite the anonymity. But all her other posts are just anonymous and cannot be distinguished from those of any other anonymous commenter. So, she gets no credit for any of them, and her history here is unfairly one-sided. Much like Ace's sack.

Listen, Colon, when you call Ace a "prick" at least remember to call him "Dick Cheney's prick".

Perhaps you remember others walking in on a Cedarford-bashing fiesta (after he wrote something unusually innocuous) and being astonished at all the mean people at Ace's.

Yeah, I remember that. That was when I first started reading AoS HQ (but not yet posting). I was initially quite astonished at everyone's behavior.

What a disappointment it was to find out that what had looked like a delightful display of wanton cruelty was actually perfectly fair. I'm surprised I stuck around, really.

gotcha

Now I think I know who the Snuggly Stalker is anyway.....The anonymous female-sounding person that immediately comments right after I call Ace by my preferred pet name of Snuggly or make other lusty comments...Any night...Any time of day, the Snuggly Stalker is there.

Has been creeping me out for weeks....

Now I think I know who the Snuggly Stalker is

It's Bart, isn't it?

Syncophant:

An Indian or African Syncophant?

I don't stalk Fistey.

Fiestly stalks me.

That's it! Take Bart to the cooler!

Nooooooo! Anybody who links the farting preacher deserves a couple of Get Out Of Jail cards.

Of course, this comparison is slightly slanderous if I don't point out that this anonymous lady is nothing, NOTHING like C.

Damn right! I'm glad you admitted that, because I will not tolerate any slander of the venerable Cedarford!

Michael, I was just wondering where you've been for the last couple of days, and you come in and stir the shit-pot.

By the way, the "non-fascist" comment to Bill A. was for you.

;)

Don't be so sure.

Oh, Brew, sorry about your sore throat. Try some tea with honey.

OT, I am slowly getting back to blogging. Here are a few of my pics from NYC, in which I DIDN'T get to meet Ace! Maybe next time?

Michael, I was just wondering where you've been for the last couple of days

I was at my son's graduation. He received a Bachelor of Culinary Management degree from the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, New York. The kid has always just loved to cook, since he was very little. I remember him standing on a stool in the kitchen helping his mom cook, even though his chin just barely cleared the countertop. He's already got a job lined up at a Radisson hotel in Boston. Mrs. Michael and I are so proud of him.

Congratulations, Michael.
I live right outside of Boston, so I'll have to get over there some time.

Do they have a good restaraunt at the Radisson?

He's already got a job lined up at a Radisson hotel in Boston.

Thats my boy! Ooops...

On the other hand, my frickin' ruthless ungrateful son and his best friend just cleaned me out playing Texas H*ld-*m. Oh well, I enjoyed the cigar, and at least I lasted a lot longer than Mrs. Michael.

Bart, I misspoke, he's at a Ritz Carlton, not a Radisson. It's the older of the two in Boston. You wouldn't make a special effort to go there. It's good from a career perspective because it's big-hotel-system experience, which can open a lot of doors, but if you're going to drive into Boston there are so many great choices. From my own experience, it's hard to go wrong at an Italian restaurant in the North End.

I am not cool with that either! Cell phones are damn expensive. What sort of idiot shoves a $200 Nokia down a woman's throat. Why not use a $1 sock or maybe a lemon?

Americans are so fricking wasteful.

Plus leaving the nickel-cadmuim battery in a corspe is going to polute the environment with heavy metals man!

Oh for heaven's sake. Go to stupid videos and search all vids for "farting". See the first two FP vids (really the best), but go also to "farting contest". Much better, except for the evangelist part. That was funny, right there. Gas was coming out the wrong end, though.

I haven't got anything bad from the site, but it is a public vid site, so....

Just talked to Michael Junior (the card-cheating little rat bastard), and he says that if you're going to dine in Boston you should check out the work of Chef Barbara Lynch at No. 9 Park. Michael Junior says she does a fabulous job of plating modern Italian dishes, kinda like French style with nouveau Italian cuisine.

I read this story and it’s silly. Do not tell me it is real story. If it is, I am surprised how two people can not get along. Bizarre. She did not give him phone. Childish behavior of two adults? Rule number one, when you see crazy man give him phone and depart, let him cool down and come back to resolve issue. Rule number two, when you see crazy woman give her phone and depart, let her cool down and come back to resolve issue.
Although, when two people get in argument all could happen. Angry people can commit anything no matter how absurd it looks later, just being under the influence of their own emotions. Instead, understanding between two adults, despite of the different language they speak (not foreign of course). All people are different. When they realize and accept this, than understand these differences and only there will be bridge building that brings Mars and Venus together.

Now, a feminine side. I am ok with that, women try to achieve in political, social, and economic life promoting their rights, interests, and gender inequality. Here it stops, gender inequality, when you transferring this to the relationships, well, problems are coming.

Feminism needs to be feminine. When this happens all disagreement will disappear. One, more please, stop calling names, when you resolving arguments. Live in peace and respect each one.

Hooked on phonics action.

The mind reels.