Dammit, I hate John McCain.

Fucking self-righteous douchebag.

Gagghghghghhgh!

Why can't this White House stand the line on stuff like this!!!

This hurts worse than the ICC.

Sorry, that was a bit strong. But what the hell? Does the guy have hypno-vision that gets Bush to do what he wants?

First campaign finance now this?

Lee

Like I said over in the comment section of PW on this topic:

John McCain is a national treasure. It's just too bad the nation happens to be ours.

Maybe we could work out a deal with France where we would trade them McCain and Chris Klein for that uber hot news anchor they have (Melissa something?).

They might even go for it if we agreed to apologize for the existance of McDonalds.

Maybe we could work out a deal with France where we would trade them McCain and Chris Klein for that uber hot news anchor they have (Melissa something?).

Allah would go for it, I'm sure.

Yeahp. Now what was that you were saying earlier about McCain's GWOT credentials?

All kidding aside, I don't doubt (much) that people like him want us to win. I just doubt their ability to do (or allow others to do) what is required to win.

There is a gray area between torching the constitution in service of winning the war, and making victory more difficult than it needs to be. I believe this policy falls much closer to the latter than the former.

Of course, we could just act like the French - sign up to every treaty to come down the pike and then just say fuck it and do whatever the hell we want anyway. Of course, there is the minor problem that ratified treaties can be enforced in domestic courts...

On the other hand, one can expect that AQ will start briefing their guys on what to expect in light of this - and it will be a rude surprise the first time the interrogator goes outside the rules, preferably with a pre-signed presidential pardon in his pocket.

Lee Atwater is right! When is GW going to stand up against these assbags. The only upside is that when '08 rolls around McCains' opponent will be able to use this against him.

All kidding aside, I don't doubt (much) that people like him want us to win. I just doubt their ability to do (or allow others to do) what is required to win.

Yeah, I had to tone down my rhetoric regarding the motives of people like McCain when I remembered Hanlon's Razor.

I suspect that what will happen is that the "agressive" interrogation techniques will continue. We'll just have someone else (like some friendly Iraquis) handle it for us.

Just think of it as one more example of outsourcing American jobs...

Rich - good point, it'll be just like tech support at Dell (also classified as torture) but with more fake menstrual blood.

When McCain speaks, people, it's BOHICA time!

The only upside is that when '08 rolls around McCains' opponent will be able to use this against him.

Thanks for the silver lining. I agree.

Fuck Bush.

Incidentally, I've long ago decided that if McCain wins the primary (ha!), I'm staying home election day. Yes, I'd rather see Hillary run us into the ground for four years.

The pissing contest between Glenn Reynolds and Andrew Sullivan just got a little more fun.

I don't think I really agree with Mark Levin, Rich Lowry, et al. on the specific subject at hand, though I confess that I haven't followed that particular pissing match very closely. However, I do agree with them that Andrew has been consistently, pompously, and annoyingly moralistic and irritatingly unspecific. So if that's the chorus, well yes -- but it's a song that has a lot of notes, most of them struck by Andrew himself. And I'm irritated with him, not for the reason you might think -- because I disagree with Andrew -- but more the contrary, because every time I read one of his preening posts, I find my opposition to torture weakening in response, even though I've been consistently in opposition to torture since 2001 (and before). God help me if he ever starts blogging in support of nanotechnology and bans on cloning -- I'll probably start looking at Leon Kass more sympathetically. It's like listening to Robert Bork talk about original understanding jurisprudence.

But that'll just make him all the more independent.

Maybe McCain should worry about the government sanctioning torture of American citizens. It happens every year on April 15th and every time we have to listen to 60 second sound bites from Harry Reid, John F'n Kerry, Barbara Boxer, and Shrillary. Doesn't he realize that more people were tortured in Teddy Kennedy's car than in Gitmo?

I agree with you the way you view the issue. It is also interesting to see different viewpoints.