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November 21, 2005

"Dude, Don't Bogart the Semtex"

Lileks rips into idiotarian Kurt Vonnegut for saying all kinds of nice things about terrorists and suicide bombers. Curious how this takes place in the context of a book tour pushing a collection of Bush Derangement Syndrome essays. (Note to Wonkette: This ain't banned here.)

For example: It is "sweet and honorable" to die for what you believe in, they are "very brave people" and "it must be an amazing high" to die as a suicide terrorist.

However, the great Lileks puts it all into perspective:

Mr. Vonnegut – again, a patriot whose dissent is being cruelly ground into the nurturing earth before your eyes – seems to think that suicide bombings literally happen in a vacuum, an unpopulated space where the bombers just pop like soap bubbles. It may be painless for them – alas – but it is not painless for the victims. You’d think such an obvious observation would go without saying, but we are dealing with an intellectual. What Vonnegut calls brave – blowing yourself up so you can fly up to the great Bunny Ranch in the sky and rut with fragrant houris blessed with self-regenerating hymens – does not exactly compare to the bravery required of the survivors.

...

[T]here is nothing to be gained from pointing out that Vonnegut is an addled old fool whose brain has rusted in the antiestablishment default position for so long he cannot distinguish between suicide bombers and people who stage a sit-in at a Woolworth’s counter.

...

Vonnegut is described in the article as a “peace activist.”

As a wise giant said in “The Princess Bride” – “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Update: Clearly, a horde of people responded to fact-check Lileks on a matter of earth shaking importance. He notes:

And yes, I attributed the “Princess Bride” quote to the wrong hero. At least the number of people pointing that out exceeded the number of people who thought Vonnegut made some brave points. There’s hope. See you tomorrow.

posted by Harry Callahan at 11:25 AM
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Mmmm. . . self-regenerating hymens. . .

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on November 21, 2005 11:29 AM

Actually, it was the vengeful fencing master who said it, not the wise giant.

But still right on point. I love the part about having a "brain has rusted in the antiestablishment default position."

Sort of like "stuck on stupid," only more eloquent.

Posted by: Phinn on November 21, 2005 11:33 AM

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

That's a quote from Inigo Montoya, I think. Whoever it was, it wasn't Andre the Giant, who was barely comprehenisble in that movie. Loose shit on Lileks part. Otherwise, a good essay.

Vonnegut has crossed the boundary well past Michael Moore style "controversial" and "provocative" into the realm of evil. He uses the words "sweet" to describe mutilating people. The phrase he used is a presumably conscious reference to the poem "Dulce et Decorum Est," an anti-war poem, but Vonnegut turns it around into an apparently irony free endorsement of suicide bombing, certainly one of the most depraved activities humans have ever engaged in.

May the nails of a thousand nail bombs bring such "sweetness" to Vonnegut himself in his drooling, doddering twilight years.

Posted by: caspera on November 21, 2005 11:53 AM

Speaking of the Princess Bride, didn't they have a torture device, sort of a second cousin to a water board, used for sucking the life out of the victim? Some infernal suction machine as I recall. Bastages.

Posted by: JackStraw on November 21, 2005 11:57 AM

"it wasn't Andre the Giant, who was barely comprehenisble in that movie."

Which is a shame, as he had some good lines.

"No more rhyming now - I mean it!"

...

"Anybody wanna peanut?"

Posted by: Knemon on November 21, 2005 12:03 PM

Wasn't the water board also used on witches around the 17th century? As I remember, it could be fatal the way they used it.

Bastages.

But not when using it on a bunch of forkin' iceholes.

Posted by: VRWC Agent on November 21, 2005 12:04 PM

I went to lileks the other day and couldn't find a link to the screedblog. This made me sad.

So glad he posted it.

Posted by: lauraw on November 21, 2005 12:14 PM

"This suminonbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens, like me, could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin' ice holes, like yourselves."

-- Roman Marone

Posted by: Phinn on November 21, 2005 12:21 PM

Too bad he wasn't going to a wedding in Amman a while ago. He could have experienced the thrill in person.

Posted by: Purple Avenger on November 21, 2005 01:08 PM

Close to one of the bombs on the London Underground, survivors said a woman had her legs blown off by the blast, or sheared off by the wreckage, but she was still conscious. There wasn't anything anyone on the spot could do for her, and help took time to arrive. So she screamed and screamed until she died.

I'm not going anywhere with this, it just came to mind when I read what Vonnegut said.

Posted by: S. Weasel on November 21, 2005 01:09 PM

"Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Escap..."

"cough"

"Don't even try to escape"

Maybe that old fart SHOULD have used some sunscreen...sounds likehis brain's boiled

Posted by: sentinel on November 21, 2005 01:27 PM

Vonnegut's not alone. This is part of a speech Chris Mathews gave to some polisci students at the University of Toronto
(courtesy Little Green Footballs):

“The period between 9/11 and Iraq was not a good time for America. There wasn’t a robust discussion of what we were doing,” Matthews said.

“If we stop trying to figure out the other side, we’ve given up. The person on the other side is not evil — they just have a different perspective.”

I'll second Purple Avenger's sentiments.

Posted by: Jack on November 21, 2005 01:40 PM

Vonnegut is a good example of the kind of Leftist who looked the other way as Stalin killed millions of his own people in the 1930's, and as Mao killed millions in the 1950's and 1960's. Sure, there is the sad fact of uncounted millions of murdered innocents; but on the other hand, it was all in the serivce of Socialism, so it was okay!

These people are moral vacuums. I despise them with every molecule of my being.

Plus, Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five is one of the most overrated pieces of tripe produced in the latter half of the twentieth century. You want a good WWII novel? Read Catch-22 by Heller or Gravity's Rainbow by Pynchon.

Posted by: Monty on November 21, 2005 01:46 PM

The only thing good about Slaughterhouse Five was that it was made into a movie and was shown on A&E unedited. Of course, this meant boobies for a young, impressionable kid. It ruled.

Posted by: MH on November 21, 2005 02:35 PM

Vonnegut's best, if you ask me: Deadeye Dick and Galapagos.

Posted by: Knemon on November 21, 2005 02:56 PM

I can't help but recall Rodney Dangerfield's cinematic quote to Mr. Vonnegut. Does anybody else?

Posted by: Nickie Goomba on November 21, 2005 02:57 PM

"Fuck me? Hey Vonnegut! Fuck you!"

Posted by: Jimmie on November 21, 2005 03:15 PM

I posted on this on Saturday when the story was fresh

Posted by: don surber on November 21, 2005 04:15 PM

From IMDb:

Thornton Melon: [on the phone] ...and *another* thing, Vonnegut! I'm gonna stop payment on the cheque!
[Kurt tells him off]
Thornton Melon: Fuck me? Hey, Kurt, can you read lips, *fuck you*! Next time I'll call Robert Ludlum!
[hangs up]

The lefties at Fark are busy sticking up for Kurt and blaming America. A whole lot of moral relativism going on over there.

Posted by: Dale on November 21, 2005 08:24 PM

Harry,

Nice catch.

Sigh.

It is all so fucking depressing.

Really.

About every six months or so, it gets like this.

What will it fucking take for these people to figure it out?

???

No, don't answer.

...

Sickening, really.

Fuck Vonnegut.

Really.

Fuck him.

There, I said it.

/profanity off

Posted by: MeTooThen on November 21, 2005 11:15 PM

Not very agreeable tonight, are we, MeTooThen?

How 'bout this to cheer you up:

Yup, me too. Fuck Kurt Vonnegut and his stupid books.

Posted by: Bart on November 21, 2005 11:36 PM
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