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November 21, 2005

Officials: 30 Percent Chance Zarqawi Is Dead

Sorry for all the updates, but I want this guy to be dead real bad.

The headline isn't a joke. Weird that someone would peg the probability of a body being Zarqawi's at 30%. I figure that must mean there are some minor consistencies between the body and Zarqawi, but not enough to be more certain.

An Iraqi police commander said Sunday that U.S. and Iraqi officials were certain that seven men who fought to the death in a house in northern Iraq were members of al Qaeda but were still trying to determine whether one of them was Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian insurgent leader.

U.S. and Iraqi forces remained deployed around the site of the three-hour gunfight Saturday at a house in the city of Mosul, north of Baghdad.

...

Joint forces backed by U.S. military helicopters had surrounded the house after receiving a tip that led them to believe that Zarqawi might be inside, the governor of Nineveh province, Duraid Kashmoula, said Saturday.

Four of the fighters inside died resisting an intense air and ground assault by the U.S. and Iraqi forces, and three others blew themselves up with explosives rather than be captured, Kashmoula said. A woman was also found inside with the words "suicide bomber" marked on her chest, officials said. Brig. Gen. Said Ahmed Jubouri, a police commander in Mosul, said the force of the suicide blasts destroyed the house.

Fierce resistance on such a scale often indicates the presence of what the U.S. military calls high-value insurgent targets. U.S. intelligence officials said earlier this year that Zarqawi had vowed not to be taken alive.

...

U.S. military officials believe it is possible that Zarqawi was killed in the raid but will not know with certainty until DNA tests are run, said a U.S. military intelligence official involved in Iraqi issues.

There is a "30 percent" chance that one of the bodies is Zarqawi's, he said. But he warned: "We've had dry holes before."

And check this out:

Over the past month, the official said, there has been a series of raids following a surge in tips from Iraqis unhappy with Zarqawi and his operation. These tend to be traditional Iraqi leaders -- sheiks and imams -- upset with the organization, especially its recent execution of Sunni Arabs in Ramadi, the provincial capital of Anbar. "Their feeling is that al Qaeda in Iraq has overstepped its bounds," he said.

Whether we got him this time or not, we definitely got eight fuckers that needed killing, and it looks like we'll be getting more.


posted by Ace at 12:26 AM
Comments



Ace,

Me too, then.

D'ya think that Al Qaeda is targeting Muslims?

Dy'a think?

...

I swear, all of that shit about "They're the Minutemen!"

BusHitler!

No Blood for McHaliburtonPlame Oil!

ZioNazis!

...

Trying.Hard.Not.to.Rant.

@#$%&*@!!!!

...

Yeah, I hope that fucktard is dead.

Real dead.

Posted by: MeTooThen on November 21, 2005 12:38 AM

Ace, I speculated earlier today on my site that Zarqawi's recent "apology" for the Jordanian bombings probably reflects weakness on his part. After all, he's never felt the need to apologize *before*. . . my guess is that a lot of folks close to him felt that he was overreaching with the wedding bombing, and may have even begun deserting him.

In fact, I'd think the Iraqis who might be helping him (as opposed ot the foreign fighters) might be the first to cut him off from any assistance-- after all, they're likely to wonder why the Mad Mister Z is bombing Muslims in Jordan while the *real* war (at least in ex-Baathist eyes) is going in Iraq. Needless distraction, not to mention bad P.R.

Man, I'll be happy when Z is dead. Of course, if we did (or do) get him, I expect that the VERY. NEXT. WORDS. out of, say, Howard Dean's mouth is "Well, Bin Laden is still at large!"

I'll bet my blog on THAT one.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on November 21, 2005 12:39 AM

Dave,

Yup.

What you said.

Posted by: MeTooThen on November 21, 2005 12:40 AM

Oh, one other thing. About that quote in the above story, "We've had dry holes before."

I read that, and immediately thought that I sure hope Z's got some extra *wet* holes tonight.

To dream, to dream, perchance, to dream. . .

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on November 21, 2005 12:40 AM

So dave, you suspect Zarqawi, much like Bush, also has to deal with malcontents that second-guess and criticize every move he makes? Interesting.

Posted by: Bart on November 21, 2005 12:47 AM

Yup. Only Zarqawi gets to behead people, whereas Bush only gets to submit them to the waterboard down at Gitmo.

Or so I've read.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on November 21, 2005 12:49 AM

I find this bit interesting:

"A woman was also found inside with the words 'suicide bomber' marked on her chest"

It's a bit odd - isn't it? Could it be some kind of "last message" thing. Something like, you can kill me but the fight goes on - even the women will continue to kill. I mean the guy is one sick demented fuck. Dear God in hevean, please let it be that fucking little freak. I hope and pray he's screaming out loud in the fires of hell right this very second. Fuck you to hell coward. But make some room - we'll be sending more.

Posted by: Philip on November 21, 2005 12:56 AM

I don't understand why Zarqawi apologized for the Jordan bombing instead of pinning it all on the Joos and Bush. Shit, everyone over there and half the people over here would have believed him.

Zarqawi, much like the Don in The Godfather must be slipping.

Posted by: Bart on November 21, 2005 01:07 AM

At the risk of inspiring Michael, it reminds me of the old Batman tv show where goons wore t-shirts reading "Goon 1," "Goon 2," etc.

Posted by: ace on November 21, 2005 01:13 AM

I don't understand why Zarqawi apologized for the Jordan bombing instead of pinning it all on the Joos and Bush.

He did, but I think that wasn't until version 3.0. It was something like
1. Aren't we great!
2. Well, there were Joooos in the hotels!
3. I didn't do it!

Posted by: Pixy Misa on November 21, 2005 01:20 AM

Ace,

LOL.

Posted by: MeTooThen on November 21, 2005 01:30 AM

Remember the photos of the baby milk factory workers in Iraq who wore t-shirts with "Baby Milk Factory Worker" on them?
That's how stupid these people think we are. You've got to admit, that Saddam had a sense of humor.

A woman with "Suicide Bomber" penned across her chest? Now that is a mystery. Maybe she was retarded and needed to be reminded of her occupation.

Posted by: Bart on November 21, 2005 01:36 AM

Bart,

Al-Queda and co. were gloating and taking credit for the attack soon afterwards, including tipping the Jordanians to the fact there was a husband-wife team working as suicide bombers. But yeah, rest assured, if they had kept their mouths shut the Arabs would have blamed Israel by default. Arabs blame Israel if they get a parking ticket or stub their toe.

Posted by: Moonbat_One on November 21, 2005 02:23 AM

Yon has been saying for a while now that the locals were getting onboard in Mosul.

Posted by: Purple Avenger on November 21, 2005 02:40 AM

I hope they kill him alot.

Posted by: Rob in LA Ca. on November 21, 2005 05:54 AM

I was wondering how they worked out the percentages, but then I read that the bad guys blew themselves up.

So maybe they've got 30% of him, say both legs and part of the left arm, and they say Yep, that looks pretty dead to me, but until they find the rest they can't say for sure?

I'd like to think so.

Posted by: Pixy Misa on November 21, 2005 06:02 AM

Remember the photos of the baby milk factory workers in Iraq who wore t-shirts with "Baby Milk Factory Worker" on them? That's how stupid these people think we are. You've got to admit, that Saddam had a sense of humor.

If I remember right, it worked on Peter Arnett.

Posted by: Slublog on November 21, 2005 08:03 AM

If Zarq's one of the departed that's a nice cherry on top of the pieces-too-small-to-identify pie. And we like a pie, right? Dead Zarq: Great! Terrorists as bunker splatter: Pretty damn good also.

And I hope this thing of labeling themselves continues. We might find a dude with "Denogginizer" scribbled on his torso, or "Hides Behind Kids" tatooed on his ass-cheek. Or even "Goat Fucker" on his unit. A nice fashion touch, I'd say.

Posted by: spongeworthy on November 21, 2005 09:09 AM

As much as I hate to say it: Z is probably *not* dead. I did not feel the disturbance in the force that would mean his foul spirit had left this earthly plane. But, as they say, hope springs eternal.

Zarqawi is a dead man anyway -- even if we don't get him, his own people eventually will. Many Sunnis hate him for the bombings in Jordan (and for slaughtering mainly Muslims in his campaign in Iraq); lots of his henchmen are criminals who'll sell him out if the price is right; the Syrians probably want him dead rather than captured so he won't talk; the Shi'a want him dead for obvious reasons; and there are probably other insurgent "leaders" who are playing king-of-the-hill and would cry crocodile tears if he were to croak.

The Z-man is in a very cold and lonely place. Even if this particular strike didn't do for him, he's a walking dead man anyway.

Posted by: Monty on November 21, 2005 09:33 AM

What Monty said.
Plus his tribe in Jordan has taken out three one-page
ads in the papers denouncing him. It's the equivalent of being disowned. He no longer has the protection of his clan/tribe, which puts a big target on his forehead. Folks who might have wanted to give him up, but did not do so before because of tribal loyalty have just been given a green light.
Yoo hoo! for the evil BusHitler.
Of course, if Z is dead, the left will look at W's poll numbers and question the timing.

Posted by: salomeh on November 21, 2005 09:43 AM

> So maybe they've got 30% of him, say both legs and part of the left arm...

But wait a minute, doesn't the dude have only one leg? I mean, how hard could he be to identify, really?

Posted by: Cynical Nation on November 21, 2005 10:17 AM

salomeh--Over at dailykos.com they are already saying that the timing is suspicious. Some of them are also theorizing that Zarqawi has been dead and on ice for a long time and has been "thawed" and incinerated by our guys to prop up Bush. Another theory is that Zarqawi never existed in the first place, Bush made him up, and it's our guys who have been doing everything being blamed on Zarqawi. Tinfoil hats, anyone?

Posted by: midwest mama on November 21, 2005 10:53 AM

I love the Daily Kos. They are the best friends the Republican party ever had.

Posted by: Edward R. Murrow on November 21, 2005 10:55 AM

Actually, the signs outside of the plant and the lab coats worn by the technicians read: "Iraqi Baby Milk Factory". You can Google the term to confirm this.

Posted by: James Chen on November 21, 2005 12:43 PM

Why are wingers so fucking stupid? US soldiers are being used as dupes by Iran and the Shia death squads that make up the interior ministry. Every Sunni insurgent we kill makes it that much easier for the Iranians to run the show in Iraq.

Ace - why don't you just bend over once and for all and take it like the little Iranian loving whore you seem to be.

Posted by: solars on November 21, 2005 03:49 PM

Whether we got him this time or not, we definitely got eight fuckers that needed killing, and it looks like we'll be getting more.

And 20 more will take their place. Zaraqwai is not the insurgency, never has been. Yes it is good to get him because he is a bad guy, but the insurgency will go on and on. How will the US win this war?


As for Z-man's tribe disowning him, so too did Osama's family disown him--both pressured by their respective governments to do so. Clearly Zaraqawi and AQ have supproters in Jordan otherwise they would not be able to get away with the bombings.

Posted by: James on November 21, 2005 04:32 PM

James, care to source that math for me?

Posted by: VRWC Agent on November 21, 2005 09:39 PM

I believe that is the math that is pulled out of one's ass.

James is another Canadian weenie --
"How will the US win this war?"--
who wants America to lose in Iraq.

James takes pleasure in the deaths of US soldiers and is disappointed when terrorists are killed.

What else would motivate a troll to cruise conservative sites and post defeatist comments in a thread about the death of a top terrorist?

When bin Laden is captured or killed, we'll see all kinds of creeps popping out of the woodwork. Yea but the US created thousands more bin Ladens.

Assholes.


Posted by: Bart on November 21, 2005 09:57 PM

James is another Canadian weenie

Well, at least that explains his confusion about how wars are won.

Posted by: VRWC Agent on November 21, 2005 10:09 PM
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