sour grapes ace.

Is it just me, or is our current crop of colons more...chock full o' colon-y goodness than usual?

Oh, shut the fuck up. Don't you have anything more original to say?

Probably not, since you're not even original enough to think up a fucking nickname.

Fuckwit.

So why hasn't Libby been indicted for leaking classified information? Or Rove for that matter?

Sorry, Weasel. That wasn't directed at you, but to the anonymous shitbag there.

Here's some news for those who don't know: the CIA regularly "classified" issues of the New York Times. No shit. So just by reading that rag on a given day, you could be violating the National Security Act. But since it was "classified", they couldn't charge you without releasing damaging information on the latest Janet Maslin review of "Bustin' Loose".

The only thing I've learned from this whole tedious Plame thing is that the CIA is full of self-important partisan hacks who can't find their asses with both hands. I say just shut that worthless fucking agency down and transfer foreign intel duties back to the DIA, where it belongs.

I read the indictment and somebody tell me I'm wrong - Scooter was indicted for lying about lying to the media?

Who said? The MEDIA!

Alternate world view conclusions welcomed.

Probably not, since you're not even original enough to think up a fucking nickname. Well you stole the most original one didn't cha!

And Edward R. Murrow is sooooo original, shitbag.

I was listening to the indictment press conference and I specifically heard Fitzgerald say that the fact that Libby told the information to the reporters was not in of itself a crime. I guess that answers the question of whether or not she was "covert and outed." Although he never specifically addressed that, it can be inferred from the fact that he did specifically state that Libby committed no crime until he lied during the investigation and Grand Jury.

This site could use some colon cleanser.

In other words, Mark, they have to prove that he knowingly lied to the grand jury, not just that he perhaps confused the dates of when he said what to whom.
Kinda like Joe Wilson claiming to see documents he'd never seen, then saying he confused the dates...
MERRY FITZMAS!!

People who post flames anonymously should shampoo my crotch. If you're gonna insult someone, use a fucking name; otherwise, you're a worthless cockroach and not worth the time it would take to refute your worthless ass. Grow up or get the fuck out.

I'm thinking that if Libby is convicted he should be dealt with in the same severe manner as Sandy Berger and given a $50,000 fine.

That'll show him to lie!

This press conference by Fitzgerald is bizarre. He is going way too far. Can you imagine any other prosecutor doing this before trial?

Uncle Jefe-- maybe the fact that they are going for perjury rather than making false statements might make a big difference, since like you say intent must be proven in front of a jury. A jury may find reasonable doubt if it comes to a "he said/we said" thing. Even though they might not be able to get a conviction on perjury, there are other charges like obstruction that might stick.

My take on it is that he deserves to be busted if what Fitzgerald is saying is true. While there may very well be a double standard in who gets indicted for what and when, I as a Conservative would rather have corrupt Republicans be exposed and prosecuted even if their counterparts in the other party are sometimes excused for no apparent reason.

I just don't want lying dirtbags in the party I'm voting for. It may not be fair but I'd prefer that he goes down for it if he really did lie to a grand jury and obstruct an investigation. The fact that the investigation is about something stupid and contrived doesn't excuse his bad behavior.

Besides, if he's so much of an ass that he would lie during an investigation about something that wasn't even a crime, then he shouldn't be advising the VP anyway.

If he is really innocent, I hope he fights this thing to the max so that the truth of the matter will come out. Otherwise I think he should be penalized to the max.

Monty, does your crotch need shampooing?There's medication for that kind of thing, you know.

And Edward R. Murrow is sooooo original, shitbag.

Shitbag? Is that the best you can do, you annoying pile of ferret excrement? Your flames are less impressive than the dump I took this morning. I'd call you a douchebag, but let's face it - feminine hygiene products don't deserve to be insulted with comparisons to your moronic ass.

If anything, it proves Fitzgerald is a lawyer trying to keep his paycheck coming in. How many more millions is this worthless investigation gonna cost us?

Indeed, anonymous, if he lied, he lied.
If he somehow has confused his timeline about what he said to whom and when, especially if he didn't know that Double-O Plame was undercover, it may be hard to prove that he did all this with intent.
To the moonbats, again I say,
Merry Fitzmas!!

ah, you used shitbag first. I think that's why the other colon (nudge to my other anonymous friend) used the term. wow...

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the activites of that CIA front airline the New York Times splashed all over the front page covert as well? Certainly more so than the identity of Jackie Bauer, super secret agent wife of star-fucking State Department bureau-weasels. Has a federal prosecutor looked into the reckless and destructive acts of the Times? Oh wait, none of the guys compromised by the Times was the subject of Vanity Fair puff-pieces.

Oh sorry, that was me at 3:22

Ah, shit. You're right. I used it first.

Now I must go flagellate my back.

:) no problem, Ed

The Warden:

I'll have you know that except for an unfortunate episode last year*, my crotch is and remains Springtime Fresh(tm).

*All I can say is that this episode involved a young lady of Laotian birth, a rather downscale hotel room, and a lot of cheap alcohol. The take-away lesson: always check the sheets to make sure they're fresh. Oh, and that you don't fall into a drunken stupor without first securing your wallet in some place where the young Laotian lady cannot find it and hence filch it.

I'm bored. Someone post something about BBeck's knockers.

Mark_D, your statement adds weight to my assertion that this is a Martha Stewart type of prosecution where the only alleged offense is that of telling a falsehood to the Feds (grand jury or otherwise). In order to prove their case the Feds will have to have witnesses to swear that Libby told them something different than he told the grand jury. It will be interesting to see who those witnesses are.

True Doc, it is pretty cheesy but let it serve as a lesson for folks in the future. Don't lie to a GJ or obstruct an investigation, especially if it is for something that is a crime only in some loser's imagination!

Read top of indictment item #9.:

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf

On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Divison. LIBBY understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA.

This is a crucial piece of information. the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) is part of the CIA's Directorate of Operations, i.e., not Directorate of Intelligence, the branch of the CIA where 'analysts' come from, but where the spies come from.

Talk to anyone who used to serve in the intelligence community.

Then ask them if they ever said " Oh yeah, I work at the CIA / NSA / NRO / DIA." (even if its a 'desk job')- While they worked there.

Get back to us all when you find one of them who says 'yes'.

I'm bored. Someone post something about BBeck's knockers.

They're real and they're spectacular.

So, is this investigation over or NOT???

Bbeck,

with the troops demoralized, and since you've linked a pic showing your face... how about permission to post an uncropped pic?

America needs you.

Ace, I put the pic with my face up on my own webspace so I'd have the discretion to take it down without bothering you to do it.

You're free to post it as long as you'll take it down when I ask.

You're free to post it

God bless bbecks boobs, and God bless the United States of America

'My country tis of thee
BBeck with double D's
Of thee I sing...'

DDeck, how about some pics in a St. Pauli Girl type outfit?

DDeck, how about some pics in a St. Pauli Girl type outfit?

omigod...my pants are suddenly very constrictive...

as sung by bbeck

Oh say can you see,
my brassiere through this T?
If you do,
lucky you,
cause I got my shirt for free!

Camptown Ladies sing this song,
Hooters! Hooters!
bbeck's pair just can't go wrong
Oh Hooter Day!

Monty:

I suggest you have some paper towels handy when this picture gets posted.

You're free to post it as long as you'll take it down when I ask.

Edited to add: sorry about the brevity there, I had to go answer the door. I'd post the pic myself but I don't have it on my computer anymore.

ANYWAY...this thread has gotten a little off-track. IS the investigation getting extended or it is over?

Michael, get with the program. Patriotic songs.

bbeck is answering her nation's call.

Never in the field of human conflict, has so much, been owed by so many, to those two.

ANYWAY...this thread has gotten a little off-track. IS the investigation getting extended or it is over?

bbeck:

It's not over. Fitz is still looking for evidence of intent to out Plame that might allow him to bring charges against Cheney or Rove. And he undoubtedly wants a chance to squeeze Scooter to get that evidence. Scooter can cut a deal in a New York minute to stay out of jail if he'll rat out one of the big fish.

Should be interesting. Say what you will about Clinton, his friends were willing to go to jail to protect him.

I disagree that this flame is off track.

Monty:

BTW, your poop-based list of charges against Scooter this afternoon was a scream.

OK, Dave.

O beautiful, for luscious breasts
So large and lush and firm.
That easily pass the pencil test
And make poor Monty squirm.
America! America! God shed his grace on thee.
Let's cop a feel
To prove they're real
From sea to shining sea.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of bbecks double d's
They are big and they are round and firm
They are begging to be squeezed
In bras or in dresses or in Ace's baby t's
Those boobs are marching on

Glory glory Hallelujah
If you don't love those knockers, screw ya
Glory glory Hallelujah
Those boobs keep marching on!